Was Jesus uppity?

[Boojatta]

Please comment on both the degree of uppityness and its frequency.


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For those who wish to dig deeper, choose one of the following:

1. If you extract some consistent idea of one person Jesus based on the four NT gospels, then would that be an idea of a definitely uppity person, a definitely non-uppity person, or neither?

2. If you extract some consistent idea of one person Jesus based on the whole Koran and nothing but the Koran, then would that be an idea of a definitely uppity person, a definitely non-uppity person, or neither?

3. (Extra credit) Choose one or more of the following as your source of information about Jesus: the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of the Ebionites, the Gospel of the Nazoreans.

[bluerum]

1. Well,,, someone saw fit to nail his ass to a cross didn't they?

[Boojatta]

3. Are you sure that they needed uppityness as grounds to crucify?

How about simply "creating a disturbance" (i.e. saying things that provoke a reaction) and being insufficiently warm and fuzzy.

Now I'm wondering: if Mary had been a mute, virgin Chimpanzee and Jesus had been a talking Chimpanzee, then would people have been amazed by Jesus, but not hostile to him?

[stellanoir]

2. His response to money lenders in the temple would suggest that being true.

I could tell you other stories but never mind.

[mach2]

4. I always wondered how uppity he was when he got caught with that naked boy in

the Garden of Gethsemane.

;-)

[DesertFlower]

5. oy vey. some difficult questions. nt

[Democrats_win]

6. Jesus was famous for being humble. Example: Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade

In the movie Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade, Indiana Jones searches for the Holy Grail and discovers several to choose from. His uppity opponents choose the fanciest while Indy asks which chalice would a humble carpenter have? He chose the simplest one.

The NT tells the story of the Temptation of Christ in which he is offered a vast area to rule over. He refuses, a very humble choice.

The definition of uppity: Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous.

In instances when someone might call Jesus uppity, they should recall that Jesus was a perfect person so he was entitled to make the bold statements that he did make. Thus his actions don't fit the definition of uppity.

[Duke Newcombe]

7. "It ain't braggin' if you can" n/t

Duke

[moggie]

9. First time I've seen Indiana Jones used as evidence for anything! n/t

[cosmik debris]

11. And it beat out the New Testament in the priority list.

First the poster quotes a movie, and second, the Bible.

It is obvious which is the more important reference.

And it speaks clearly about the poster's values on the relative credibility of the two sources.

:)

[moggie]

13. That's understandable, I suppose

If you want to write about the Holy Grail, the bible probably isn't a good source, since as far as I recall it doesn't describe it in any detail (the grail legend didn't arise until centuries later, maybe 12th century). Still, an Indiana Jones film isn't an obvious source of scholarship on the subject: I could cite Monty Python and the Holy Grail as a counter-example, and it would be no less authoritative.

[notfullofit]

8. I don't know, was

Mohammed uppity too?

[cosmik debris]

10. Not as Uppity as Zeus

He lives on a mountain top and looks down on everyone.

[ChazII]

15. Not to mention

he threw a mean thunderbolt. :D

[Occam Bandage]

12. Dictionary claims,

"Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station." I agree with this definition.

Jesus' station as the living Word (or, if you don't like John, simply as the Son of Man) was to fulfill the old Law and bring humanity into a new covenant with the divine. As an aspect of the omniscient, infalliable Godhead, all actions He took were suiting his divinely self-appointed station.

If you deny the divinity of Jesus, of course, then we have a completely different discussion. Jesus then is not so much "uppity" as he is, well, megalomaniacal.

[Feron]

14. It's impossible to say.

At this point it's hard to separate fact from fiction.

Jesus most likely was a leader of a religious movement and became enough of a pest and/or threat to warrant execution. After his death, Jesus's followers embellished upon his life. Truth faded away with time.

It isn't difficult to imagine that Jesus believed himself to be a divine messenger, assuming the powers of such a position, and running afoul of authorities.

It is difficult to determine if he was uppity or simply a threat to the power structure that needed to be neutralized.