I 've been wondering and thought I'd ask this forum. What if Bush is the

[NoSheep]

Antichrist...I am not "religious" and I don't belong to a church. However, I live the way I think Jesus would accept. I don't judge people because of their race, creed or sexual preference. I do not steal, lie or promote harm to others. I live as unselfishly as I possibly can. These are the things I learned in church growing up and I will live this way forever, no matter what, because I feel it is right. I don't know if Bush is the antichrist or not, but he sure is pulling the wool over the eyes of many people who call themselves Christians. And doing a lot of harm in God's name.
If he is truly as evil as he appears to me, and many follow him instead of the true teachings of Jesus, are they more likely to be condemned than someone who is like me? I realize this may sound silly or naive, but my mother, I feel, is a true Christian, and she probably voted for Bush, although I tried to talk to her and help her understand that he is a liar.
Alot of Christians would disagree with some aspects of my life as I am socially extremely liberal. I believe in evolution and feel that most of the Bible is written by mere mortals who were trying to explain and order their world. However, I live more like a Christian than a lot of people because I'm not willing to sell out my ethics for a tax break or believe in obvious idiots like Bush and his henchman Cheney. I would appreciate any and all points of view on this subject.

[tuvor]

1. Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends

Old article. Glad I bookmarked it, since this is the second time in the past week that people have wondered about bush's REAL pedigree.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

[NoSheep]

3. Thanks.

:scared:

[Mistress Quickly]

2. The internet is the anti-Christ n/t

[tanyev]

10. You think you're joking.

I was channel surfing and came across Jack Van Impe's show (:crazy:) and he has it all figured out how the letters c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r add up to 666. He's a nutcase.

[Mistress Quickly]

14. Oh no I don't

I truly believe it. Bush can't be, because the antiChrist will be loved (will fool) around the world. Bush hasn't fooled anyone, and everyone hates him.

[Razorback_Democrat]

19. Look again, he is worshipped by 60 million followers

power is his game.

global conquest then you make them love you.

I think there are more than one antichrist.

Bush is one

interesting google (haven't done it in a while) google antichrist and you get a story about tony blair.

but tony's not loved by his country at all. he does want to be president of the EU I've heard.

I'm not one who thinks it is really important to figure it out.

the Lord will come like a thief in the night, and trying to predict when he will come is feudal. People have been predicting it for 2000 years.

[ET Awful]

4. Well, as he starts calling for RFID devices (such as has already been done

at one school in Texas), then I'll really start to wonder.

Anyone whe remembers the Book of Revelations and the verses about those who receive the mark of the beast (and being unable to purchase food, etc. without said "mark") will start to wonder.

[NoSheep]

6. Yes. My boyfriend and I discussed last night what we would do if we were

asked to accept a "national identity" card under this administration. We considered the possibility of going underground. I for one am very afraid. That "fear of God" never seems to leave you, no matter how long it's been since you attended church.

[McKenzie]

5. don't want to let this develop into a debate on religion

we've had enough of that lately. All I'd say is that belief in a pre-planned world, where the beings in it suffer horribly, often through externalities such as natural disasters, but a world where it'll be all right in the end (provided one does not disagree with biblical tenets) is not a belief I can share. No offence intended, but what would be the point of all that needless suffering?

[NoSheep]

7. No offense taken. I have wondered before, what if God isn't the benevolent

entity I have imagined?
I did not bring this up to craete any argument. I do want your honest opinions.:)

[mom cat]

13. I do not believe in the concept of "the antichrist", but if I did, I would

have * on the top 10 list along with Cheney, Rummy,, Asscroft, Rove and a few others. I think however that the concept of an antichrist is dangerous it feeds irrational self righteousness, and a violent scorn of "the other", as well as a desperation to be a part of the chosen few. If only a few are to be "saved" then people become desperate to be among the chosen few and create increasingly more bizarre delusions about their own superiority and the evilness of others. How the fundies do this is obvious. What we need to examine is our own tendency to polarize on the Good -evil axis, and ignore the reality that most of us are a flawed mix of the two. Sometines I feel as if I too have been co opted into the great polarization game that separates the "non-filthy rich" from each other into two almost equally populated camps. It can make for good theater while the real game of domination goes unchecked...Just some thoughts.

[RUDUing2]

8. some articles on this...

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0449/041208_news_antichrist.php
(this is an excellent but LONG article)

http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwin020412.htm
During the eight years of Clinton's presidency, I was repeatedly asked, "Chuck, do you think Bill Clinton is the antichrist?" (Of course, I answered no.) Therefore, it is more than interesting to me that since G.W. Bush became president no one has asked if I thought he was the antichrist. Not one single person! Instead, many people attribute to Bush god-like qualities, which actually makes him a better candidate than Clinton was.

You see, one of the chief characteristics of the coming antichrist is that he appears "as an angel of light." Therefore, an obvious reprobate such as Bill Clinton is immediately disqualified. The antichrist, by very definition, is a master deceiver. He must be someone who appears as good and benevolent. The bite is in his tail not in his tongue. In reality, Bush's angelic persona makes him much more dangerous than bad boy Billy..........

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=798
Having been raised as a Christian, I was taught early that the Antichrist was someone who would come in the name of Christ but be the enemy of Christ. Using that definition, let us examine the proposition that George W. Bush could be the Antichrist. If Jesus Christ was in Bush’s place and he was the president of the United States, would he have taken any of the actions that Bush has taken, including the war in Iraq? In other words, is Bush following the teachings of Christ? “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:20).

Christ taught us to love one another, especially our enemies (Matthew 5:43-46). Christ said that even the pagans love those who are like themselves, but the true mark of love is to love those that are different from you. Christ taught us to turn the other cheek and to “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Did Bush turn the other cheek when he falsely proclaimed Iraq as a threat? Do you think Bush loves his enemies? Do you think he even loves his friends, since he openly attacks those friends that disagree? Do you think Bush loves Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein? If he is a follower of Christ, then he must love them. Have you ever seen love in Bush’s eyes? Have you ever heard Bush talk about loving one’s neighbor? Does he treat the inmates at Guantanamo or the prisoners of Iraq like he would want to be treated? Do you think Christ would say, “You are either for us or against us?” Have Bush’s actions caused there to be more or less love in the world?...........

[NoSheep]

9. Your thinking is like mine. He is the best candidate because of his

un-Christ-like actions in the name of Christ. It is such a sad reality.

[hvn_nbr_2]

11. Most talk of "the" antichrist is just plain silly

According to the online concordance that I checked, the words antichrist and antichrists appear in only two books: I John and II John, both written by the same author, possibly the apostle John. Now I John specifically says there are many antichrists.

Most talk of antichrist concerns the book of Revelation. Revelation does not use the word antichrist, but there are at least six different characters that are antichrist-like: the beast from the sea, the beast from the land, the beast (generically), Satan, the false prophet, and the dragon. In some cases, these are very specifically different characters, so there can't be just *one* antichrist.

One of the beasts in Revelation (I forget which one offhand) is described in a very clever riddle (typical of Greek philosophy and religion, and Rev is after all a Greek book) that is a takeoff on the book of Daniel and that sounds like utter gibberish when you read it. But after you decipher the riddle, it reads completely smoothly and sensibly. The solution to the riddle is that this particular beast is a composite of all the oppressive and evil governments and empires that oppress God's people throughout all of history. The solution to the riddle is too long to explain now, but if there is interest, I might come back to it.

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[GOPBasher]

15. My wife thinks so -- she's a born again Christian.

My very evangelical wife thinks there's a good possibility that Bush is the anti-Christ.

[BayCityProgressive]

16. I think Stalin or Hitler

would have made better contenders. Also, since it is someone who comes with a message of Christ and appears "as an angel of light" how about a Pope? Ha ha wouldn't that just turn everything on its head!

[vixengrl]

17. Depends on your view of the Antichrist.

Some say that, taken in the historical context, the "Antichrist" of Revelations was someone contemporaneous, such as Nero (a likely contender) who had the bad failing of many of the Roman emperors of self-deification. Becoming a God is very bad for you (Claudius knew that; when death approached, he sighed--"I fear I am becoming a god.") On the allegorical level, the difference between Christ and Antichrist could be viewed not so much as a conflict of good and evil (although it is that) but as a conflict between the earthly world (the "princes of the Earth") and the Kingdon of Heaven. This is why your Napoleons and Hitlers--the "world conquest" types, are considered Antichrists.

As an allegorical Antichrist, Bush is a materialist. His concerns are worldly concerns, his goals, no matter what language he uses, are material. Contrasting the Bush message with the message of Christ, one sees many differences. Christ washed the feet of his disciples. He spoke of the meek and the lowly. He walked among the tax collector and the prostitute. He admitted he was where the lowest were. He was not a man of wealth--he did not value material things. The sword he brought was the "logos", not a daisy cutter bomb, and he healed the sick, he did not step on their wounds. I do not think he is "the Antichrist" in a religious sense--I am fairly materialistic myself! But his confusion of values and the degree to which he has been given real earthly power are not healthy for this planet, in my opinion--and he truly has the wool pulled over many eyes simply because he speaks the language they assume is that of a godly man. I say it's by the deeds you know someone. When all is said and done--every day is a day of judgement. When judged on actions--I'd say it's better to have done good things even on a small level--and stand alone, than do horrible things on a great level--no matter who stands with him.

[Old Mouse]

20. well said

Thanks. The imminent ecological and economic disasters can paint even the most complex agnostic into a simplistic apocalyptic corner.

[LDS Jock]

18. here is a site on just that topic

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/