Be brave and admit that US public school teachers who disbelieve Darwin face persecution...

[Boojatta]

comparable to the discrimination that makes it so difficult for a teacher to get hired to teach history in a US public school if he or she has written essays that express strong loyalty to the point of view that the holocaust is a complete fabrication or hoax and if those essays have been published and widely circulated.

(Recommended: pause for thought before continuing to the next paragraph.)

When did any first rate academic institution in the USA, such as Boston University or Stanford University, provide documentary evidence to substantiate the claim that there lived an actual person named "Charles Darwin" who wrote something about the origin of species? How do we know that the true authors of the major work attributed to Darwin had actually earned academic credit sufficient to authorize them to teach high school biology courses?

If I'm not mistaken, Gregor Mendel never earned the minimum credentials demanded by school authorities to qualify to teach biology.

What official credentials did Eudoxus, Euclid, or Archimedes have?

[callous taoboy]

1. Can you clarify your point. I can't make sense of the above.

[Boojatta]

2. What's the first sentence that is unclear?

[callous taoboy]

3. First, where is it documented

that teacher candidates are being asked to detail personal beliefs during the interview process?

[Boojatta]

4. Zero'th:

Where is it documented that essays that have been published and widely circulated are unknown to people who conduct job interviews?

[Tarc]

5. So what is this, a rant against history teachers who believe in holocaust denial?

or against Darwinists?

You're in the running for Most Obfuscated Post at this point.

[callous taoboy]

6. Thanks, Tarc. I thought maybe a second cup of coffee would help, but

:crazy:

[Boojatta]

7. You cannot eat a whole cake today and also save it for tomorrow.

How's that for Most Obfuscated Post? I didn't say you're going to eat it today. I didn't say that you're going to save it for tomorrow. I said diddly-squat.

However, together we can work for change and persuade people to abandon such sayings as "you can't have your cake and eat it too."

[Tarc]

14. So, this was a bunch of neo-babble that wasted everyone's time

Gotcha.

[cosmik debris]

15. Welcome to Boojattaland!

It's performance art. Even your critique is color on his canvas--metaphorically speaking.

[Realityhack]

23. par for this course n/t

[jtrockville]

8. Documentation of Darwin's existence is beside the point.

Darwin's theory is the point. The theory holds, regardless of whether or not Darwin's existence is provable.

[callous taoboy]

9. Um, thanks. Believe I'll go refold the maps in my car now. Bye.

[heidler1]

10. If your point is that a teacher should be allowed to have crackpot ideas without being judged unfit,

forget it. To me that's like saying insanity should not prevent someone from being president. However, getting rid of the nut might be impossible so wait it out for the end of his term in office. Next time please avoid electing or hiring crazies in the first place.

[Occam Bandage]

11. Current DDx:

Finding 1: Boojatta is making a veiled point about arguments regarding the historical existence of religious figures.
Finding 2: Boojatta is making a veiled argument aimed at the untenable nature of appeals to authority, due to evolving standards of authority.
Finding 3: Boojatta is complaining about the modern difficulty of getting one's unconventional ideas accepted, in comparison to an idealized version of history.
Finding 4: Boojatta is making a deliberately ignorant double-reverse-strawman argument in context of the evolution-creationism debate in hopes of sparking a discussion.
Finding 5: Boojatta is an internet performance artist.
Finding 6: Boojatta is a neo-Socrates who is only out to prove that nobody knows anything.

[Boojatta]

12. Can you explain this part?

"deliberately ignorant double-reverse-strawman argument"

I'm not objecting to it. I'd just like to see the process that you used to construct that noun phrase.

[Az]

13. They face the same kind of persecution as physics teachers

that teach that gravity is caused by angels pushing everything down.

IN a science class this is not the currently accepted explanation of science. As such any teacher attempting to teach the angel theory of gravitation will face persecution by not being allowed to teach this explanation or face termination in their chosen line of work.

[knitter4democracy]

16. They think they face persecution, but that's not the same thing.

I went to an evangelical Christian college and was a secondary ed. English major, so I have a feeling I know more science teachers who believe in Intelligent Design than most. They all got jobs. Every single math and science teacher in my class and while I was there (the four classes ahead of me) got a job. Most, not all, of the science teachers I took classes with and was in student teaching with were of the opinion that Intelligent Design made more sense overall than straight Darwinist evolutionary theory. Somehow, they all got jobs. How are they persecuted?

Our history and English teachers had a harder time, but that's because they're glutted fields. My alma mater only came up twice in interviews with negative connotations to it, and I'm glad I didn't get those jobs anyway.

[elshiva]

17. Good point. The OP needs some links to back up these claims.

As you say, if you find the right fundamentalist school, you can get a job if you're an ID or creationist. Where is the persecution?

[knitter4democracy]

19. They got good jobs in public schools.

They were good teachers and usually kept their opinions to themselves, but I know they were more in the Intelligent Design camp than the pure evolution camp.

[elshiva]

24. That's true, too.

Thank you.

[TZ]

18. I'm sure the flat earthers (yes there are some)

feel discriminated too..Face it..you have to be qualified to teach something...Creationism is NOT science.

[Marrah_G]

20. Their belief is based in religion and not science. They have no right to teach religion to my child

The rest of your post made zero sense.

[ZombieHorde]

21. Even if Darwin turned out to be a person who never existed, it still would not discredit evolution.

Holocaust deniers are often considered to be anti-semitic, which many would consider to be a poor quality for a teacher. I have not seen any evidence that holocaust deniers have an easier time getting teaching jobs in the U.S. compared to evolution deniers.

[SidDithers]

22. Yes...

I'd put creationists and holocaust deniers at about the same level of intelligence.

Sid

[Evoman]

25. Creationists are wayyyy dumber than holocaust deniers.

Holocaust deniers think that all those pictures and camps were faked by certain humans. Creationists think that FOSSILS and geological times are not real and faked by the debil. It takes dumb to deny the holocaust. It takes EPIC stupidity to believe in creationism.

[Occam Bandage]

26. Well, not all creationists are young-Earthers...