The Shah of Iran exiled Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Why didn't Jesus' enemies have Him exiled?

[Boojatta]

After all, it's not as though Jesus wrote a novel that mocked sinners who throw stones at adulteresses.

Note: the full name of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini is Ruhollah ibn Mustafa Musawi Khomeini Hindi.

Link:
http://novaonline.nv.cc.va.us/eli/evans/his135/events/Iran79.htm

[Thothmes]

1. Exile has a way to come back and haunt the leaders

that ordered the exiles. Lenin and Stalin were exiled by the Tsar. Khomeini was exiled by the Shah. All came back to aid in the toppling of the regime that exiled them. The Romans did not exile, they executed. While not humane it was a practical permanent solution to a potential political problem.

[Boojatta]

2. Jesus' enemies had never heard of Lenin, Stalin, or the Shah of Iran.

Wasn't there a practice called "ostracism" that was used at some times and in some parts of the ancient Roman Empire?

[Occam Bandage]

7. You're thinking of the practice of the Athenian democracy. nt

[On the Road]

3. The Romans Didn't Exile

They crucified. Their quislings followed right behind them.

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. Sure they exiled - eg Ovid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovid

However, I doubt they'd have exiled non-Roman citizens.

[On the Road]

15. Oh, Right

You're more of a classist than I am.

I read about the Romans mostly in regard to their relationship with the Jews and early Christians. Clemency was not the ruling philosophy.

[Boojatta]

18. What happened to Paul?

According to the NT, he was a Roman citizen.

[Boojatta]

20. Link to a thread about Paul

Link to a thread in the DU Lounge

[On the Road]

22. No One Has Ever Been Certain What Happened to Paul

He is assumed to have been privately executed in Rome, but there are some traditions that have him being released and visiting Spain. If he had been released it's doubtful it would be a secret, but even executions like Jesus or John the Baptist were generally known about if not witnessed.

The silence itself is fascinating -- it's usually considered due to ignorance, but there is also a possibility it's due to embarrassment.

Robert Eisenman suggests that Paul may have been a Jewish accomplish in the Roman seige of Jerusalem. Josephus describes such a person named "Saulus" who encouraged the rebels to surrender on behalf of the Romans, and interrogated thouse caught trying to escape. That's a lot different from the current characterization of Paul, but it would explain the silence.

[Az]

4. Because that would not have fit the narative

Perhaps Jesus was a story. Perhaps Jesus was real but was trying to use the injustice of the system to propel himself to power but goofed and wound up dead. Lots of things can be guessed at based on the limited evidence we have of his actual life.

[knitter4democracy]

5. Try reading Master and Margarita.

Best explanation of why he had to die I've seen yet.

[Occam Bandage]

6. Romans weren't much on exiling leaders of treasonous movements.

[Abaddon865]

8. Dead men lead no revolts

That's becasue the romans understood the fact that when you are opposed by a small group it is often easier to kill them all rather than to deal with them later when they are a much larger, more well armed group. They figured that out the hard way with the Goths.

[edhopper]

9. Why are you

always trying to imply that Christianity is better than Islam?

[Boojatta]

10. Why are you putting words into my mouth?

If you have a problem with something in particular that I wrote (and "always" suggests that you should have plenty of opportunities to find what you are looking for), then why not quote my actual words and explain what your problem is?

[edhopper]

12. Could you

clearly state the point you are trying to make comparing the Shah with the rulers of Roman Jerusalem? And Jesus with the Ayatollah?
I am merely inferring what you were implying.

[Boojatta]

14. I myself sometimes request clarification

I think that, when you take the time to post that kind of request in my threads, you are paying the opportunity cost of not communicating with a lot of good people on DU.

I request clarification on occasion, but if I found myself repeatedly concerned that one particular DU member is not clear enough, then I hope that I would have the wisdom to exercise my right to put that DU member on ignore.

[edhopper]

16. But you task me.

You task me and I shall have you.

[Boojatta]

17. Now there's a message that it is unclear to me!

[edhopper]

19. I'll respond

round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition's flames before I give him up.

[Boojatta]

21. Are you so bold as to compare yourself with Jonah?

But was there no other way for the whale to land the prophet within that short distance of Nineveh? Yes. He might have carried him round by the way of the Cape of Good Hope. But not to speak of the passage through the whole length of the Mediterranean, and another passage up the Persian Gulf and Red Sea, such a supposition would involve the complete circumnavigation of all Africa in three days, not to speak of the Tigris waters, near the site of Nineveh, being too shallow for any whale to swim in. Besides, this idea of Jonah's weathering the Cape of Good Hope at so early a day would wrest the honor of the discovery of that great headland from Bartholomew Diaz, its reputed discoverer, and so make modern history a liar.

Link:
http://www.americanliterature.com/Melville/MobyDickorTheWhale/84.html

[edhopper]

24. Nay, not Jonah,

Call me Ahab.

[Boojatta]

25. I served with Ahab.

I knew Ahab. Ahab was a friend of mine. Edhopper, you are no Ahab.

[Boojatta]

11. Note: Islam isn't defined by the opinions of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

[kwassa]

23. I' m shocked to know this!

I thought that Ayatollah King of Rockandrollah was the ultimate authority!