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Dcitizen Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:39 AM
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What does the resurrection mean for your life?
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live... he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth (John 11:25, 11:43)

Miracle proved Christ's power of healing and the followers' belief in Him as a heaven sent Master. Miracle work and happen where the rules do not work.

However, Christ's resurrection was the biggest power play in the universe. The transforming power of the Christian Faith did not complete in the crucifixion, but fulfilled in Christ’s glorious resurrection and His ascending to the heaven.

When Christ rose on the third day, He broke the shackles of sin’s power (Ac. 2:24).
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:42 AM
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1. Nothing
I don't pay much attention to mythology and superstition.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:42 AM
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2. Like all religions with resurrections
it councils hope in the face of impending despair.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:45 AM
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3. As I Know I Will Be Resurrected, Live Happy Now.
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cdb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:51 AM
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4. ZERO
but rising from the dead is a quaint story
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:57 AM
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5. The Universe is a pretty big place. I doubt Middle Eastern
fairy tales carry much weight.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:05 AM
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6. I wish it would all be forgotten
and people could look at problems honestly and quit trying to run away from thier responsibility of the misuse of thier own power with what you do to others.. into psuedoinnocence and Faith.

Moral relativism..and pladitudes..

It helps nothing..
It heals nothing..

In fact it hurts.Faith kills There are good people who don't use faith to stay simple minded in a complex reality , Don't use belief to keep others polarized and controlled.. And have no use for keeping individuals chioices and actions and the way they apply power disconnected from the badness in thier beliefs allowiung them to be irresponsible for themselves ..
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:12 AM
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7. Fantasy
Better get right the first time.
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Kipling Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:26 AM
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8. It means people are gullible.
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Thrasybulus Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:34 AM
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9. It is the foundation of my life.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:35 AM
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10. Some story about a dead guy from a couple millennia ago? Hmmm, neat.
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Dcitizen Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:11 AM
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15. It's not one but all holy one in Jerusalem.
Lazareth is the first live witness, then John the Baptist, then
when Christ was crucified and died, Jerusalem witnessed all the holy dead including Jesus rose and walked along streets or came back to their home. That's the bigest shock of such a large scale resurrection, and the transforming of Christian faith is fulfilled.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 03:53 PM
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11. Since there's zero evidence for it, nothing...
The insistence, lacking evidence, that it happened gets a little annoying sometimes, though.

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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 04:22 PM
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12. Complete Enlightment
or Nirvana.

It is a profound physical transformation when the central experiencing function or "ego" of an organism ceases, with something very much like physical death also happening during the process. At least according to U.G. Krishnamurti and other descriptions. Very rare and wonderfull, but by no means miraculous or supernatural.

When "Christ rose" (if he did), freedom of Karma (or "shackles of sin's power") was allready a done deal. Experience or perception of physical death is not essential, what is wonderfull that (quite possibly) Jesus by "dying" became completely Enlightened, a being in its natural state, Christ or Buddha-nature.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 06:37 PM
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13. It means losing the false self in the Real
and becoming That which you already are.
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universalcitizen Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 06:56 PM
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14. Nothing ever changes. History repeats over and over.
And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this .
Acts 17:32

A door was openned for the resurrection of any soul that would obey the Voice to its heart as Jesus had done in going to his cross. One must die first to know the resurrection. This experience can come to any soul no matter what doctrines are believed, no matter what "religion" is professed. The end of selfishness, or ego gratification, is a death that few are willing to receive, but all know it is the answer to peace, inwardly and outwardly.

What does it mean to me? Life.
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Dcitizen Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 12:21 PM
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16. Very true
They did not believe the resurrection before Christ, because no earthee can perform this power except Son of God... The chief priests and the Pharesian also wanted to kill Lazareth, the live witness of Christ's power of the resurrection, to shadow the Christian faith. Then the Hodurias imprisoned and ordered to behead John the Baptist also because of this.

However, a large scale of the resurrection happened in the holy city Jerusalem when Christ rose:

"and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised; and coming forth out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered into the holy city and appeared unto many". (Mathew 27:52-53)

So, the transforming of Christian faith has grown from few thousands of followers at that time to 1/3 humand kind including 75% of North American population today.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:06 PM
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17. It's The Gospel According To George Romero!
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 01:30 PM by onager
:rofl:

So bunches of dead people rose out of their graves and strolled around?

And this occurred in the city of Jerusalem, a major center of learning and religious/political administration. With eyewitnesses who must have included Roman civil servants and soldiers, eminent Jewish scholars, educated merchants, not to mention thousands of ordinary citizens?

(Never mind the problem with wording in there. "Saints" didn't exist at the time. The Catholic Church hadn't invented them, since it didn't exist yet either.)

Anyhow, except for the author of Matthew...nobody thought it was important enough to mention that hundreds of animated corpses got up and started wandering around the city?

Not ONE SINGLE PERSON made a note, or diary entry, or wrote a letter saying: "Well, it's not really a big deal, I guess, but a lot of dead people came out of their graves today and walked around town, shooting the breeze with us."

BTW, all you Xians...PLEASE don't assume I just need "educating" about this scripture, whereupon you post a tedious 50,000 word rebuttal trying to "explain" this nonsense...complete with the usual astoundingly ignorant appeals to Quantum Physics.

I was raised as a Southern Baptist and had this stuff drilled into my head every Sunday for many years. Obviously it didn't take.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:55 PM
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18. A satisfying answer to
"Is this all there is?"

At least a powerful metaphor, perhaps also an event that happened the way the gospel accounts tell it. In any case, the story is a way of dealing with the problem of evil by giving a glimpse of divine love.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:08 PM
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19. Nothing
There is no such thing, as far as I know, in Judaism.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:53 PM
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20. The last chapter to the world's greatest love story
And this resurrection is indicative of the triumph of Yahweh--that warrior-turned-lover--over the amoral and vindictive gods of Caesar's empire.
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Dcitizen Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:42 AM
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21. Testimony from Roman guard officer and the helper burrying Christ
... that numerous saints (one report 12,000) rose from the dead with Jesus on Easter Sunday. These reportedly remained on earth for the 40 days Jesus remained after having risen and ascended into Heaven with Jesus. There are many reports of these risen saints having been seen in Jerusalem after Easter Sunday...

The Gospel of Nicodemus, Vol 8, Chapter I:
Nicodemus was a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews, and helped to burry Christ.

Then Rabbi Addas and Rabbi Finees, and Rabbi Egias, the three men who had come from Galilee, testifying that they had seen Jesus taken up into heaven, rose up in the midst of the multitude of the chiefs of the Jews, and said before the priests and the Levites, who had been called together to the council of the Lord: "When we were coming from Galilee we met at the Jordan a very great multitude of men, fathers who had been some time dead"...And they went, and walked around all the region of the Jordan and of the mountains, and they were coming back without finding them. And, behold, suddenly there appeared coming down from Mount Amalech a very great number, as it were, twelve thousand men, who had risen with the Lord. And though they recognized very many there, they were not able to say anything to them for fear and the angelic vision; and they stood at a distance gazing and hearing them, how they walked along singing praises, and saying; "The Lord has risen again from the dead, as He has said; let us all exult and be glad, since He reins for ever. Then those who had been sent were astonished and fell to the ground for fear, and received the answer from them, that they should see Karinus and Leucius in their own houses. And they rose up and went to their houses, and found them spending their time in prayer...


Letter by Pontius Pilot to his emperor Tiberius Caesar. He is Roman officer guarded the tomb of Christ.

BEGINS WITH:

"To Tiberius Caesar, Emperor of Rome. Noble Sovereign, Greeting: The events of the last few days in my province have been of such a character that I will give the details in full as they occurred,

"He said that about the beginning of the fourth watch they saw a soft and beautiful light over the sepulcher. He at first thought that the women had come to embalm the body of Jesus, as was their custom, but he could not see how they could have gotten through the guards. While these thoughts were passing through his mind, behold, the whole place was lighted up, and there seemed to be crowds of the dead in their grave clothes. All seemed to be shouting and filled with ecstasy, while all around and above was the most beautiful music he had ever heard; and the whole air seemed to be voices praising God."

www.bibleprobe.com/descent.htm

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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:55 AM
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25. You DO know you're quoting non-canonical gospels?
This is the crap that was so unbelievable, the Church refused to put it in the Buy-bull alongside the equally unbelievable crap they left in.

Of this bunch, my favorite is the Infancy Narratives--the account of Jesus' childhood. In one story, he accidentally kills a playmate, then brings him back to life. IRC, he also resurrects a dead pet. It's almost as good as a Stephen King novel.

Anyone who imagines that Pontius PILATE (not "pilot") wrote that goopy letter should read some other books Xians are always yammering about--the histories written by Flavius Josephus. He wrote extensively about the way Pilate dealt with self-proclaimed Messiahs and rioting religious mobs.
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Dcitizen Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:35 AM
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26. Sure many can write better than Gospel of Nicodemus
However, further discussion of this gospel is beyond the scope of this thread.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 09:04 AM
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28. What proof do you have that the Gospel of Nicodemus
is historically accurate?
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Dcitizen Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:55 AM
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31. Good discussion for a new thread, but beyond the scope of this thread
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 11:30 AM by Dcitizen
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. John 20:26-27
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:12 AM
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32. Then start a new thread.
I'm sure the millions of Christians who reject its authenticity would love to hear proof that they're wrong.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 10:07 AM
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22. Even if true, Christ's resurrection is irrelevant to me
If he was God, then his death was of no significance relative to his infinite, eternal, omnipotent existence, so the crucifixion entailed no real sacrifice.

And if he was not God, then his death was of no greater significance than that of anyone else executed for sedition. Tragic, perhaps, but of no greater meaning. And certainly not a fulfillment of any vague prophecy.

Heck, Mel Gibson notwithstanding, plenty of not-rumored-to-be-divine people have died in ways far worse than dear ol' JC is supposed to have done.
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Dcitizen Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:58 AM
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23. The cruxification was sinful action from mankind, not from God.
God, the Father performed the promise to bring unto Holy land a Saviour, and He sent Christ as the Saviour, but did not say to kill or crucify his Saviour. Christ shorten his mission as He promised to
save and bring the light to the world in peaceful way.

Christ knew everything, He knew the time came for his cruxification, and he knew even his disciple Peter would deny to know Him thrice when being questioned. So he foretold his resurrection.

The worser cruxifications just proved the stronger faith and rapid spreading of Christian.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:39 AM
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24. Waking up.
The idea of resurrection has to do with when the Divine Truth appears within you, and your life changes. You are no longer the same person: it is not an addition of something, where you continue along the same path in life, with a new tool. It is waking up from the dead.Many of the people who are sincere in their beliefs are dead to the Divine Truth, in that they continue to live near the middle pool. Few abide near the upper pool.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 09:18 AM
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29. Hey Waterman! I was about to say the same thing. When they say
waking from the dead they are talking about mentally, not physically.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 09:03 AM
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27. service
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:37 AM
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30. Just another fairy tale
And not even a particularly good fair tale at that.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:32 AM
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33. Squat.
It's a myth. It's superstition.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-05 03:11 PM
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34. For me..
Edited on Sat Jun-25-05 03:22 PM by mvd
It is something that bolsters my believe in an afterlife. Also, it teaches me that suffering is not all for naught. If Jesus could get back up, I can. Another thing is that it tells me to be more selfless.

Much of the stuff in the Bible is just stories, but I believed this one happened.
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