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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:10 PM Original message |
I went to church(Catholic) on Sunday...a divisive issue came up.. |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. I dropped out over 40 years ago because of the birth control issue. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I like the individual church... |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. As long as your priest isn't going on and on about it..... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
133. Speak out against it. |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
112. I dropped out about 55 years ago... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:05 PM Original message |
They're all wrong on the "Pelvic Issues" as historian Gary Wills says. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. How does a male-supremacist church support "unity" . . . ??? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. well that's my point... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. So if they don't remind you that they're anti-homosexual, then it doesn't bother you? |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Bravo for this post. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. That's not what I meant... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
70. I think I understood what you meant -- but was trying to bring this to you |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. they don't support violence against clinics |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
106. You're not sure that the Vatican is male-supremacist . . . . ???? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #106 |
135. the Catholic church doesn't teach that women are... |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #135 |
153. They absolutely are. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. that's not true at all... |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. So, although the KKK is a bad group overall and who's views are racist and bigotted |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. apples to oranges... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Deleted message |
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #160 |
167. This reply comes close to answering the question . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #167 |
180. I agree with everything you said... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #155 |
169. It is true . . . while you don't set church policy, by being there you support it -- |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #153 |
158. a married man cannot become a priest in most cases... |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #158 |
163. Yes, because even if they did I am sure they would just chat you up about it. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #158 |
170. Most of the nuns left the church . . . that's why the Catholic schools were in such dire |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #158 |
215. Also if your wife dies and you are a deacon you can't remarry. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #135 |
166. Unfortunately, the church does teach the inferiority of females . . . |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think maybe the new pope made this stuff the important things,,and |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I think Vatican 2 is being chipped away... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. There was an immediate coup on Vatican II . . . it's dangerous stuff -- |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
216. You are addressing issues that the vast majority of Catholics know nothing about. |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Vatican 2 and John XXIII |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
71. Agree . . . "Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" are |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. that's inaccurate.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
105. Vatican invented capitalism . . . |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. The last pope was pretty good at reaching out to diverse groups |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. How is it not "divisive" to base a church on male-supremacy . . . ??? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. I wasn't saying it's not divisive... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
72. My response was to liberal_at_heart -- however . . . |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
88. You're right, NOT JUST THE CATHOLICS, ALL CHRISTIANS |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. well the Catholic church |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
100. I don't think we're past male supremacy, not by a long shot. |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. See, that's just wrong |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Evidently, you think you're patriarchy . . . ??? |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. You didn't make that distinction |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #111 |
125. Nor did I say that -- |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #125 |
130. sorry, misread who was responding |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #130 |
131. I think that's kinda the way you understood it -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #100 |
109. True . . that's how Ireland was finally "converted" --- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
108. You think "Mary" is part of the "Holy Trinity" . . . ??? |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #89 |
150. You don't understand church teaching then |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #150 |
168. And remember, Mary's importance was also based on her virginity -- !!! |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #168 |
188. there is no sacrament of "candling" |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
151. dupe |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #88 |
104. You might remember that . . . |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #88 |
179. Some Christian groups do treat the Holy Spirit as feminine |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #179 |
185. The gods and goddesses who preceded the "one all male god" . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #185 |
190. there is only speculation that St. Bridget... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. No . .. it's the other way around . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #193 |
197. that's inaccurate.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. You do recognize that there was an Irish goddess . . . adored and worshipped in Ireland? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. yep I do.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. Male/Female energy -- everyone should know its earlier origins . . . |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. I think he was gifted with a personality that made him able |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
217. Pope John Paul II was dedicated to the destruction of Vatican II. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. that's a shining example of what I'm talking about... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
113. You could say that about our Founders who experienced Church violence |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #113 |
136. when did our founders experience church violence? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #136 |
171. If you didn't know, the answer was in the post -- |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Now you cut that out. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
8. That would really bother me, too. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. Where is this church |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. St. Louis... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
59. Oh, your bishop is that doosy, yes? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. well we just got a new bishop... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. But it's still a male-supremacist church/Vatican . . . |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
12. Tax 'em. Tax 'em NOW. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
114. They've long been playing politics -- from financing anti-ERA campaigns to Prop 8 !! |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
17. churches are way to involved in politics imho |
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Roon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
21. After my brother and I came out of the closet... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
115. Good for her -- family first -- !! |
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Roon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #115 |
132. My Mother is so cool.. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #115 |
143. Family first... |
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WVRICK13 (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
23. I Have Recovered |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. my family is relatively "religious"... |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
24. If you really revere human life, why not hold a vigil or two outside Blue Cross, also? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
172. Great suggestion . . . !!! |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
25. My wife's family had been Catholic since the 15th century |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
30. Simple solution. Stop going. Stop supporting them. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. because some of us... |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Yes, it is hard to understand. |
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igfoth (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Get a New Family Then |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. well I like the priest and my indvidual church.. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. It comes down to this- You are supporting an anti-woman, anti- GBLT instituation |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. just not going... |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Yup- it is that easy |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. it's not that easy for me... |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Well then it is your choice to support the organization, so don't complain |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I do nothing to support the organization... |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. That's good! |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. I understand. It's because you love your family. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
92. If You Think Your Presence Isn't Support, You Better Think Again |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. no I don't |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I Can Assure You That the Church DOES Teach That Homosexuality Is Evil |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
116. +1000% . . . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #97 |
138. Its not that it |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #138 |
145. I'm Sure a Catholic Could Understand Your Last Sentence. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. I don't agree with the Church position.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #138 |
173. It teaches intolerance for homosexuals and hatred for them in call them an "abomination" ...!! |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #173 |
181. no, sorry only heard secular activists on tv... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. As they say, "You can't wake up a man pretending to be asleep" . . . !! |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. I've never had a priest even mention gay people.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #187 |
192. Yep . . .you must lead a very sheltered life . .. ??? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #192 |
195. as for the first part... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #195 |
200. Unfortunately, the writings of the church remain . . . they stand . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. tolerance for gay people isn't a loss for Catholics... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #203 |
204. No . . . I said "intolerance" for gays is another lost argument for the Catholic Church . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #204 |
208. why did my priest join the church? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
74. Have you been active within the church to try to change it --??? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. yes... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
117. And . . . what ???? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
93. You Can't Change the Church. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
118. Agree completely . . . however, booing them, or turning one's back to the altar |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #118 |
134. To Me, It Is a Black And White Issue. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #134 |
139. not really... |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #139 |
144. Um...What? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. not really...I go because I want to go to church with |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #149 |
176. Why not take the family to brunch . . . ? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #139 |
175. Yes . . . however, they have no choice . . . by the time they realize it, it's too late ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #134 |
174. Agree . . . but "booing" could lead to some consciousness raising in the pews--!!! |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
61. I don't think so |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Episcopalian church and UCC |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Well, I have to admit, even w/in the Episcopal church |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
73. Yes, it is ... if you care for democracy . . . which they oppose -- |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. the females in my family are more active in their parishes |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #87 |
119. And what do you base that on . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #119 |
140. I'm not sure why... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #140 |
177. Why not ask them . . . |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
127. I don't know your particular situation but I appreciate where you are coming from |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
137. Some people have boxed themselves into the notion that the RCC is a "hate group" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #137 |
184. Fascism doesn't begin with the Nazis . . . which the Vatican, btw, supported . . . |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
34. and this surprises you? I was raised a Catholic and the anti-choice mantra is not going to change |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. When couples get married in the Church.. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The churches view on birth control are causing the deaths of millions in Africa. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. US govt. policy does more in that realm.. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Actually the US Gov has tried to help stop aids in Africa. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Bush cut off funding.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
76. True . . . . but what influence has the Vatican had on those policies . . .??? |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
69. i remember when i went to marriage class before we got married in the church |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
120. Jewish faith supports abortion . . . as do many other faiths -- |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. They stand a mile from my house every fucking day |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. well my reaction isn't quite so violent |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I despise lies and propaganda 15 feet from a school bus stop every day |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. call the city or police... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
77. . . . but undeniably the "pro-life" movement has been violent - murderous . . . !! |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. of course... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
121. These would be "extremists" financed by the Church . . . |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
40. So sad that they wouldn't try to provide assistance. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
43. Wish you could have been at my Catholic mass on Sunday. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. well our homily did mention.. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Indeed. I'm sorry so many here have a knee-jerk reaction to any mention of the Catholic Church. |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
94. Well said. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
124. Evidently you don't know that one of the recent Popes BANNED Liberation Theology?? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
122. Unfortunately, one of the more recent Popes made a point of |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. That's closer to the sort of parish I was raised in |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Great . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I care of course... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #80 |
101. How would I possibly avoid my own government . . . which most of us are bashing |
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Tsar_Bomba (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
50. Fuck the Catholic Church |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I am religiously tolerant... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. There is a vast difference between organized patriarchal religion which |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
96. Please Explain In What Respect the Catholic Church Deserves Tolerance? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #96 |
141. because people have every right |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. But Not, According to the Catholic Church, To Marry or Have an Abortion |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. how do you know which Catholics are not tolerating your... |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #152 |
157. Tolerating? Tolerating? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. those were your words |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Deleted message |
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #161 |
178. Then presumably you should disrespect the history of the RCC . .. ??? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #178 |
182. by the way thanks... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. We used to call that . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #183 |
189. you've convinced me to go to my church.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #189 |
194. The "political" effects your life every moment of your life . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #194 |
196. well the solution to that is to not elect.. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. The "orthodoxy" -- the dictates -- begin at the TOP of the hierarchy - the Vatican . . . |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #198 |
202. you can't ban Catholics from running for office... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #202 |
206. Wasn't your suggestion to NOT vote for those who support church teachings? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #206 |
209. no I said don't vote for people who... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
65. "a church should promote unity"? Yeah right |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I've never heard the priest at my church |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Your RC church doesn't preach that nonbelievers go to Hell? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. no...I've never heard... |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
103. In most Churches that is the case |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. It doesn't. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
90. "I'm tired of that self righteous nuttiness." |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. not really.... |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. So You Have a Problem With the Church's Self-Righteousness, But You See It Everywhere |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
123. Sheesh, exactly. Why post an OP rant about the church and then post 100x saying it's all ok? nt |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #98 |
142. no I meant I see self righteousness |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. I Know What You Meant. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #147 |
154. I'm not sure I'd be considered Catholic.. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #154 |
165. Here's what I would do: |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
99. yeah I try to report a story about the church and get reminded |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. They announced an investigation into Catholic Church and possibility they used $$$ from |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
126. God hates religion. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. I bet she does -- !!! |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Reminds me of Helen Reddy's acceptance speech. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-17-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
191. What you need is a label maker. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
207. You went to a hate group meeting and was surprised by divisiveness and fueling animosity? |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #207 |
210. that's silly... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #210 |
211. Please... |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #211 |
212. who is they? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. Well, I'm sorry Rodney, |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #213 |
214. as I said calling it a hate group is disengenuous |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #214 |
218. The Catholic Church is a hate group. |
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219. Ding Ding Ding! |
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