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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:02 PM Original message |
Poll question: Universal salvation? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. I am an agnostic, |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Actually if you do not believe you are by definition a nonbeliever. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. If you neither believe nor disbelieve by definition you are agnostic. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Atheists don't "disbelieve". This common misconception is based on poor definitions. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Please read the definition. I'm not an Atheist. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. You don't believe in a god, you're an atheist. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Very good explanation... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. LOL. U MAD? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Incorrect - from your own definition! |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Actually, the definition comes from a dictionary. Take it up with them. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. OK let's try this one step at a time. Nonbeliever first. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. and now this strange version of disbelieve you have |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. And as an agnostic, I do not disbeleive. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Omniscience concerns knowledge. Belief is a binary condition |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. The definition of agnostic is right there in the dictionary... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Where does that definition contain the word "believe"? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. and finally the a word everyone runs away from... |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Actually, I am an agnostic. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Run away from it all you like. Choose your own label, even a wrong one |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. You can ignore real words, English, and history make up your own definitions... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. This from someone who thinks believe = know? What chutzpah! |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. OK, lest get this straight. Agnostic = Don't know. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Do you not see the difference between "believe" and "know", honestly? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. I see that if I believe, I must accept something that is beyond knowing... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Denial again.. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Ozy's perfectly valid discussion between an agnostic and an atheist must run thusly: |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. There is nothing to be saved for, and nothing to be saved from. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. And the heads explode! |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Thanks. You're welcome. :-) nt |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. More likely that... |
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RevStPatrick (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. There is nothing wrong with us... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Is your sig line is a reference to Daniel Quinn's book? |
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RevStPatrick (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Indeed! |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. Anybody who wants it. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. How does one demonstrate wanting or not wanting, and when? nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. The first step is forming a coherent understanding of what it is you want. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. and if we do none of those things? nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. How can you want something you don't know? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I don't - that's the point. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Then it shouldn't matter. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Are things that pertain to you personally all you care about or all that interest you? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. No, but if I didn't believe in salvation I wouldn't worry if it were universal or not. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I'm not "worried" at all - but I am curious how DU believers view the topic |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
12. What if I don't like Him? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Measurements, including trillions of years, are meaningless when discussing eternity or infinity. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Time is linear. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Eternity is timeless. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Eternity is an endless time. |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. Part of the whole. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. All-inclusive terminology wiould require a book not a DU poll nt |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Of course. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
15. All praise to the Dictator! |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. "free, and to none accountable, preferring hard liberty before the easy yoke of servile pomp." |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Better to die free than live in eternal servitude. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Live Free or Die! |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Just as God commands...oh wait....n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Taxed Enough Already! |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. So you've taken to repeating RW slogans now? n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Just paraphrasing. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I'm pretty sure that isn't what Milton meant. n/t |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Not sure what you are getting at... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Contrast the notion of eternity with the notion of sempiternity. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I see. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. for me its simple. We are spiritual beings having a physical existence |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. The source of all existence is pure love? |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. the universe is always creating. Its inhospitable to us but not to other |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. What you are claiming is factually incorrect. |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
37. Did you ever wonder how Superman manages to fly and hover? |
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fmiddel (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Maybe heaven is a wireless hard drive |
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fmiddel (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
49. I’m a somewhat atheistic, |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Welcome to DU! |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
61. You left out the option of salvation by one and only one "true" faith |
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