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BjohnsonMN Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:44 PM
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Those who say there is a War on Christmas are anti-semitic
No one who has ears can reasonably claim they don't hear the word Christmas very often this time of year. Sure there may be a few banners that say "Happy Holidays", as there has been for decades but those banners are quite often next to Christmas displays. Can anyone name a single major retailer that has stopped using the word Christmas entirely? Everywhere I go I see the word Christmas, that word may exist alongside the phrase "Happy Holidays" but it is still there and is impossible to not notice.

We can firmly establish the word Christmas is used very regularly in this country and is in no threat of disappearing from our language, so why are the fundies opposed to the term "Happy Holidays"?

The reason that no "mainstream" commentator has dared to point out yet is that these people are bigots. They don't want to acknowledge all holidays because that gives Hannukah some legitamacy, and they are anti-semitic. They don't want to acknowledge Kwanzaa because they are racist. They only want to acknowledge the holiday that fits their religion, and pretend that no other culture exists in this country besides their own.

Now some people will protest what I am saying here, they will say that they support Israel and therefore they cannot be anti-semitic. Their support for Israel however has more to do with their own narrow political objectives in fulfilling Biblical prophecy than it does with a sincere support for the Jewish people.

So lets not beat around the bush and acknowledge that this "war on Christmas" is not a war on Christmas, but rather a war on all non-Christian religions. It is anti-semitic, it is anti-Muslim, it is anti-Buddhist, it is anti-pagan, and it is anti-sane Christian. These people are the Christian Taliban and they will not stop until there religion is the only religion that can be legally practiced in America.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:51 PM
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1. I think it has far more to do with
people not wanting to let go of traditions coupled with an anti-PC backlash.

Framing this as anti-semitic, anti-Muslim, anti-Buddhist, anti-pagan, and anti-sane Christian, is a bit over the top.
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BjohnsonMN Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:00 PM
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3. Just look who is orchestrating it
To say that these people are not religious bigots is over the top. They have made no secret of the fact that they want America to be a Christian nation.

And as far as the PC thing goes, if PC really means what they say it does then this may be the most PC campaign in American history. These people are offended by the words "Happy Holidays", how much more PC can you get than to demand those words cease their use?

But of course PC does not mean what they say it does. Talking about PC is their way of undermining civil rights by making racist talk more acceptable and undermining those who try to treat people equally.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:14 PM
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10. Bingo
By treating the term "Happy Holidays" as anything other than all-inclusive is bigoted. You have hit the nail on the head. It is an underhanded, but often effective technique. It's a logical extension of the belief that their imperative to proselytize overcomes your desire not to be harassed and have your faith denigrated.

Oh, and welcome to DU!:toast:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:55 PM
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2. It is merely a stunt engineered by leaders of the Reich Wing
to work up the fatuous faithful into yet another lather. Just like their hysteria about flag-burning and the Pledge of Allegiance. Those who are publicly pushing it don't really care that much about the issue itself, but they are getting lots of money and publicity from the campaign.
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BjohnsonMN Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:01 PM
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4. It is a stunt...
A stunt to rile up those who want to make their religion the sole religion that is acknowledged in America.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:10 PM
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8. I probably should not have used the word "merely" because
that implies that I think it is trivial, which I do not. Those who engineer the stunts are definitely drumming up their followers' fears of other races, cultures, and religions. But I am convinced that the leaders' motives are primarily greed and power.
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:09 PM
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7. A stunt seems to be the best explanation. I must say, however, that
I disagree with the original post. "Christmas" is just peachy fine with me. As are Hanukah, Ramadan, Eid, Festivus, Kwaanza, Saturnalia, and whatever else. I don't know of any sane or mature person who is offended by someone of a different religion celebrating his or her holidays and holy days.
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BjohnsonMN Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:52 PM
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14. I never said I had a problem with Christmas
I only have a problem with people demanding that we do not acknowledge other holidays. I don't have any problem with people using the word Christmas, and I in fact use the word all the time.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:02 PM
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5. It's a good counter-argument, IMO
I don't consider it 'over the top,' personally. It's hard to be over-the-top when confronted by people who are ALWAYS that way.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:08 PM
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6. On a chat site I was on last night
this bozo said in one sentence (paraphrase) "America owes Israel a debt. We must remain their allies and protect them from the terrorists," then in the next sentence, "America is a Christian Nation. The founding fathers intended for us all to be Christians and to live Christian lifestyles." When I asked him for documentation supporting that claim he had none, of course. And he kept calling me a pagan, despite the fact that I told him I'm an atheist. What an anti-anything-but-Christian-ite hypocrite.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:13 PM
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9. Of course. It's all about excluding the recognition that non christians
even exist, much less exist as equals.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:17 PM
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11. Welcome, first off...and it is much more than simply 'anti-semetic'.
The fictitious 'war on Christmas' consists of a propaganda campaign to instill a false history of the United States upon its citizens. Read some of Washington's, Jefferson's letters in regard to religion and government. The 'fundies's' heads would explode. Accurate historical facts such as Puritans in new england banning any celebration of a PAGAN holiday is turned on its head.

Likewise, false histories about our founding fathers being bible thumping zelots who founded this nation as a theocracy (based on the bible/'christian nation').

I object to the fictitious 'pc-Christmas' war, but much more offensive is the made-up fantasy-history in which these nut jobs insist on advancing.
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BJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:06 PM
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12. Well "Seasons Greetings" is still acceptable, for now--eom
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:10 PM
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13. Happy Festivus
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Bloodblister Bob Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:15 AM
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15. The Christmas War is a propaganda tool designed to incite hatred...
...and bigotry within the dim minds and stunted hearts of the right-wing rabble.

These ignorant, frightened and malleable people are made to feel that they are America's (and God's) first line of defense against some amorphous evil.

It's sickening.
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cobaindrain Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:21 PM
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16. they have become very intolerant
that's for sure

But it might be stretch to say they're anti semitic, some are. What really frightens me is that Bill O'Reilly is out there saying that he speaks for me...
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