Choose your favourite proof of gods existence.

[Evoman]

Dawkins talks about this website in his book...its hilarious (c'mon...I know everybody here has a sense of humour, and I know that nobody here would actually ARGUE these, so no flames please).

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

So choose some of your favourite proofs...here are mine:

8. ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES
(1) My aunt had *Syphillis*.
(2) The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments.
(3) My aunt prayed to God and now she doesn't have *Syphillis*.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

14. ARGUMENT FROM INTELLIGENCE
(1) Look, there's really no point in me trying to explain the whole thing to you stupid Atheists ? it's too complicated for you to understand. God exists whether you like it or not.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

15 ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE
(1) Okay, I don't pretend to be as intelligent as you guys ? you're obviously very well read. But I read the Bible, and nothing you say can convince me that God does not exist. I feel him in my heart, and you can feel him too, if you'll just ask him into your life. "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth." John 3:16.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

36 ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPLETE DEVASTATION
(1) A plane crashed killing 143 passengers and crew.
(2) But one child survived with only third-degree burns.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

C'mon people..they are funny.

On edit: I really like this one too

ARGUMENT FROM FAITH IN THE OBVIOUS
(1) You have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, don't you?
(2) See! Atheists have faith too!
(3) Just like I have faith in Jesus.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

On edit (2) Because of a certain friendly outburst accusing me of being a shithead, I've decided to edit my first pick. * -changed from the original

[cyborg_jim]

1. Meh

ARGUMENT FROM CREATION, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INCREDULITY (I)
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM INTERNET AUTHORITY
(1) There is a website that successfully argues for the existence of God.
(2) Here is the URL.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (I)
(1) Atheists are spiritually blind.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

[Hepburn]

2. My fav reply to this kind of "God exists" bullshit...

...has been, "So, who created God?"

You want to stop some fundies in their tracks...try this one.

[moobu2]

9. Maybe God gave himself the power to create himself.

[Hepburn]

10. So....

...which came first? The chicken or the egg?? :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Evoman]

4. Ow...you hurt my feelings.

Really.

hehe.

Good thing she survived, god bless her soul.

On edit: In consideration for your feelings, I've changed it, although you could have put it a bit nicer.

[Realityhack]

22. Evoman.

I respect you decision but I must say I would not have edited the OP based on that.

[Evoman]

24. Well, I assumed that the person who had the outburst

may have had a personal encounter with cancer (which I have too..a very close friend of mine had it) and may still be sensitive about it. In which case, the outburst is understandable..it does me no harm to edit my message.

[beam me up scottie]

26. I wouldn't have done so either, but at least you're not an intolerant jackass.

See the quote which is featured in my sig line for an example.

[bananas]

32. Thank you, sir.

Also, there was a bit of unfortunate timing and misdirected anger, I had just seen this gif animation of Rush Limbaugh mocking Michael J. Fox and people with Parkinson's Disease when I read your OP:

[Evoman]

33. I understand.

Although, next time, I would suggest sending me a private PM if your horribly offended by something I post. And knowing me, there will probably be a next time ;)

[NMMNG]

6. The R/T forum isn't hidden

Posting your continual rants here about how you want it to be hidden won't change anything. Be a grown up and ignore it, just like I'm going to ignore you in 3,2,1.

[pansypoo53219]

5. proof?

well, evolution has 'all' the answers about monkey/man, but where are the guiraffe precursors and shit, then there's the monogleted duckbilled platypus, a MAMMAL that lays eggs.
of course the bible is also a piece of shit.

[Random_Australian]

8. Monotreme.

:)

(As in,a mammal that lays eggs is a monotreme, IIRC, and we Aussies have two of the three left on the planet in the forms of platypus and echidna. (Also interesting is that the only poisonous mammal is the platypus) )

[trotsky]

11. The platypus is poisonous?

Like, to eat? Or does it have fangs? ;-)

[moobu2]

12. "The male platypus has venomous ankle spurs

which produce a cocktail of venom, composed largely of defensin-like proteins (DLPs), which are unique to the platypus.<16> Although powerful enough to kill smaller animals,<16> the venom is not lethal to humans, but does produce excruciating pain — so intense that the victim may be incapacitated. Oedema rapidly develops around the wound and gradually spreads throughout the affected limb. Information obtained from case histories and anecdotal evidence indicates that the pain develops into a long-lasting hyperalgesia that persists for days or even months.<17><18> Venom is produced in the crural glands of the male, which are kidney-shaped alveolar glands connected by a thin-walled duct to a calcaneous spur on each hind limb. Female platypuses, in common with echidnas, have rudimentary spur buds which do not develop (dropping off before the end of their first year) and lack functional crural glands.<6>

The venom appears to have a different function from those produced by non-mammalian species: its effects are non-life threatening but nevertheless powerful enough to seriously impair the victim. Since only males produce venom and production rises during the breeding season it is theorized that it is used as an offensive weapon to assert dominance during this period."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus

[Vidar]

31. Note to self: no dancing with platypi.

Thanks for the information; I had no idea they were poisonous.

[Dorian Gray]

14. The platypus is poisonous?

Fascinating! I had absolutely no idea!

It's fun to learn random facts in a thread where I never expected to be speaking of platypi (I know... not really the plural, or is it?)

[moobu2]

15. The Cuban and Haitian solenodon

also are poisonous. They deliver the toxin through grooves in the teeth similar to poisonous snakes. Both species are very near extinction though. They also have mammary glands (teats) on their asses, which is weird too.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solenodon

[pansypoo53219]

28. but gotta explain monotreme!

been a while since i head about it on whad'ya know. that it pees, poops and gives birth out of one orafice! may explain the eggs.

[caledesi]

7. To the "The Bible Says" crowd -

The Bible is faith-based, not FACT-based. So STFU!

[cosmik debris]

13. My favorite

ARGUMENT FROM CATCH-PHRASE
(1) There are no Atheists in foxholes.
(2) Atheist points out Atheists in foxholes.
(3) They don’t count.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

When I first heard the phrase "There are no Atheists in foxholes." I immediately became an atheist in order to do everything possible to avoid foxholes. Foxholes are not nice places, and a lot of people seem to die in foxholes. If all I have to do to avoid foxholes is to renounce belief, I'm ready!

But I didn't see another of my favorites.
GOOD OLD COUNTRY BOY ARGUMENT
(1) I'm just a good old country boy and even I know that God exists.
(2) Therefore God exists.

[hunter]

16. I proposed to my wife and she said "yes."

Ah, if you knew me then... OMG!

So I guess that would be:

8. ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES

[Evoman]

17. I will counter your argument from miracles

with my "Argument from Intelligent Partner with Good Taste" ;)

[hunter]

18. Oh my, thank you, dear Evoman.

:hi:

[bryant69]

19. What this underlines is the pointlessness of trying to argue people

into believing about God.

Bryant
Check it out -- http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[charles22]

20. Why why Why?

Why no forum for open discussion of philosophy and religion?

[hunter]

21. This seems pretty open to me.

Pick a weapon -- we've got everything from cave man clubs to finely crafted rapiers.

And if you are not skilled in the use of any of these you can always throw rotten tomatoes.

:woohoo:

[Realityhack]

23. 58 & 59

# ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION
(1) God exists.
(2)
(3) Yes he does.
(4)
(5) Yes he does!
(6)
(7) YES HE DOES!!!
(8)
(9) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM CREATIVE INTERPRETATION
(1) God is:
(a) The feeling you have when you look at a newborn baby.
(b) The love of a mother for her child.
(c) That little still voice in your heart.
(d) Humankind's potential to overcome their difficulties.
(e) How I feel when I look at a sunset.
(f) The taste of ice cream on a hot day.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

---

On edit I like this one too.

#70

# ARGUMENT FROM KENT HOVIND
(1) I don't want to work for a living.
(2) I don't want to pay taxes.
(3) I can get gullible fundamentalists to send me money.
(4) I can use religious exemption claims to tie the IRS up in court.
(5) Therefore, God exists.

[boolean]

25. Syphillis isn't funny, you shithead

"No flames please!" Are you fucking joking? Your OP is nothing but flame-bait.
What the fuck is wrong with you assholes.
This is why I think the R/T forum should be hidden like 9/11 - only someone with a screw loose would want to see this crap.

[beam me up scottie]

27. !

:spray:

I can feel the love.

[Evoman]

30. You can feel the love?

Does it burn or itch?

[Evoman]

29. I understand your outburst.

I know about YOUR close encounter with syphillis....after all, I did give it to your girlfriend. But its way to late to edit my message.

[Random_Australian]

34. You beat me to it. Damn you and my exams!

[TheBaldyMan]

35. I like the Babel Fish proof from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

first some background from HHGTTG:

"The Babel fish is small, yellow and leechlike, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feels the brainwave energy recieved not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centers of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language..."

Later in the book the Babel fish is used as conclusive proof about the non-existance of God.

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful {as the babel fish} could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the nonexistence of God.
The argument goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof needs faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, so therefore, by your own arguements, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

As the passage says Q.E.D.

[Realityhack]

41. Don't get too full of yourself...

or you will get run over at the next zebra crossing ;-)

Adams rocks.

[Redbear]

36. Any "Person of Faith" who thinks God's existence can be proved

is not actually a person of faith.

As Christ says "Only a wicked generation seeks a sign."

[pansypoo53219]

37. why evolution is a religion as well.

have to believe in it.
ca't 'prove' it.

[Random_Australian]

38. Eh? What? You don't have to take anything about evolution on faith.

That's the thing about science my friend. Anyone can learn it. (Provided they've the time :) )

Nothing hidden, nothing mystical or magical. If you think there is something fishy or sus about evolution, or chemistry, or physics, you can think it through and go find the observations yourself. And for most things, you can make the observations yourself (However building your own probe for mars is probably beyond the scope of single-human endevour)

No faith needed. You can have it if you really want to, provided you're not in research.

[moobu2]

39. There’s a mountain of evidence for proof of evolution.

Yes, I guess you could say have to believe it, but in the same way that you believe that gravity will hold you down when you walk across the room. Evolutionary scientists make claims that can be scientifically tested and requires no faith whatsoever. We have living proof of evolution, "ring species" for example and we have mountains of fossils and we have studies showing genetic species connections and on and on.

On the other hand, there is nothing , noda, zip, showing that any particular God exists.

[Realityhack]

40. No, No it is not.

Evolution is a scientific theory. It has vast mountains of evidence supporting it. It can also be disproven.

Religion has neither.

I don't know where you got that idea from but if that is your view of evolution you clearly don't know anything about it.

[Dob Bole]

46. Evolution is not religious, but maybe you're thinking of materialism...

I agree that there is a mountain of evidence for evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc.

But if you believe that the existence of evolution disproves the existence of God, that takes an extra logical step, an arguably religious one, because although our universe appears to operate in patterns, it is actually quite indeterminate at the quantum level. Plus, the only way to counter the anthropic principle is to propose that there must be tons of other parallel universes that DO NOT have life in them, and that is in itself a leap of faith.

[ozone_man]

42. My irreducibly complex cat.

ARGUMENT FROM IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY
(1) He's irreducibly cute.
(2) He's irreducibly clever.
(3) He has irreducibly sharp claws.
(4) He's irreducibly good at catching mice.
(5) Therefore, God exists.

[SPKrazy]

43. I Don't Have Any Proof(s)

I have explored the possibilities of existence vs. non-existence, and found that I do/feel better when I believe in a higher power. I know that this is outside of the realm of the theme of this thread, I just don't spend a lot of time thinking of proof(s) to my beliefs.

That's not to say that I don't experience doubt, discouragement, curiosity, etc. about what this higher power might be. I have come up without answers as to why there is suffering in the world. I don't believe that it is a "test", hell I don't know why suffering exists. It does though. Life ain't fair. So I'll put on a helmet when I need it and go forward with the rest of the world.

People do have odd ideas about what constitutes a reason to believe. My idea is that I haven't found a good reason not to at least suspect that there is something more to this world/life, etc. than what we can see and that it is logical, and has purpose.

In the end, it won't really matter whether I'm right or wrong. I don't believe that anyone but perhaps the most evil of us (Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.) will face a real wrath or judgment if there's a God.
If I'm wrong, then I'll never know it either.

So it's an interesting line of thinking to consider that some people come up with arguments to prove their reason for belief. As I've implied before, it is pragmatic for me to believe vs. to not believe. I feel better when I allow myself to believe.

Thanks

[TRYPHO]

44. I probably shouldn't but..

Can I offer this?

http://www.getbehindjesus.net/

Don't blame me, an ex-Catholic friend emailed me the link.

TRYPHO
(oops, spelt me name wrong!)

[cosmik debris]

45. !

:rofl: