How did Jesus Christ suggest that we celebrate his birthday?

[Philosoraptor]

I'm a little fuzzy, where exactly in the bible does Jesus say that we should celebrate the day he was born as a holy day? Which passage and verse is that again?

It's on the tip of my tongue, something like, ye shall go forth and purchase shiny toys and gifts wrapped in swaddling paper and father Christmas will fly around the world, and only 28 shopping days till my birthday, and don't forget to say Merry Christmas in the checkout line.

Or was it, ye shall structure your entire national economy on my birthday every year based on sales of gifts and merchandise, play annoying Christmas songs in the giant retail stores and always remember the true meaning of my birthday and keep it holy.

What would this Jesus Christ do with all the billions we spend on crap every winter? would he build a gigantic golden temple in Rome? Would he invest it in the stock market? Or would he do something totally crazy like feed the hungry and clothe the naked and give comfort to the suffering?

Jesus Christ.

[Parche]

1. heyzoos

Walmart is sending Bill Oreilly to your house to have a word with you!!! hahaha

[Xeric]

2. At the very least

He would probably not want it celebrated on the wrong day.

[Autonomy]

3. And with plastic ye shall pay them, at 18% interest.

Upon the limit of credit, ye shall lay away thy gifts, never minding thy debts, for he who has the most stuff shall be first into Heaven.

[Nikki Stone1]

4. Well, this year, Jesus got a Democratic Congress

:)

Now if he'd just send Paul Wellstone back to us....

[dysfunctional press]

5. he didn't...

seeing as he is a fictional character.

[Clark2008]

11. Actually, he probably wasn't.

Now, whether he was the physical Son of God is up to debate, but historians are pretty sure a man of his description existed.

[dysfunctional press]

21. although i don't doubt that a guy named jesus existed at the time...

maybe even dozens of jesuses- and some may have even been members of leaders of one of the many apocolyptic cults of the era. but as the bible is a fictional work of mythology, the jesus as son of god character is also fictional.

[Autonomy]

15. He was almost certainly a real person

think of the time period. 2000 years ago was the late Classical Age in the Mediterranean. It was a historical age, not a mythological age.

[dysfunctional press]

17. the bible IS mythology

so that kind of debunks your theory.

[hedgehog]

23. The Bible is a number of books that include mythology,

family tradition, history as the recorders would like it to have been, poetry, advice on good living, laws, prophecy, etc. Archaeologists have shown that it has at least as much basis in fact as the Iliad.

[Autonomy]

24. Not really.

The historical veracity of the first several books, up until about the time of King David circa 800 BC, is questionable, but thereafter histories were increasingly reliable. There are lots of cross-references from the time period.

Consider this: do you doubt the existence of Plato and Aristotle? Are these philosophers "mythological"? Well, they were several hundred years before Jesus of Nazareth.

Just because a writing is included in the collection we call "the Bible" does not means it is mythology. The age of mythology was long since over 2000 years ago. I think you have knee-jerk opinion on the topic.

[dysfunctional press]

29. did plato or aristotle write about heaven or hell or offsprings of gods?

or any other mythological topics?

[Autonomy]

35. Yes.

though you are misusing the term "mythological". Plato wrote about 'universal forms' and his version of God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Form_of_the_Good

I think you're confusing mythology with mysticism, spirituality, and other untestable subjects. Just because someone talks about Heaven, does that make that person "mythological"? I am talking about Heaven; do I not exist?

Remember that the subject is "Was there a real person, Yeshua of Nazareth?" The answer is almost certainly, "yes." And almost certainly he was a single person, not an amalgam. Most of his travelings, teachings, and his death were almost certainly real as well. As far as turning water into wine.... doubtful.

[Finder]

38. He was most certainly NOT a real person...

but I think there were many characters who said and did a lot of what is attributed to him.(non-supernatural) That said, many myths have been interwoven into the story to give it mass appeal.(pun intended)

[Finder]

40. Then why is there no contemporary history about him? n/t

[Autonomy]

44. Because he was a nobody from the furthest

outpost of the (Roman) realm. He was on the political radar screen foor 3 years, and only a few months of that was he in or around the capital city.

There is really not much reasonable doubt that Yeshua was a real person who preached around Jerusalem and was crucified by the Romans. All the other main players are cross-referenced, including John the Baptist, Herod II, and Pontius Pilate.

I think there may be some cross-reference to Yeshua as well, but I am not a biblical scholar, so I am not sure.

[Finder]

61. Not much reasonable doubt?...Totally untrue...there is NO evidence...

whatsoever. Hearsay is all christianity has.

[Autonomy]

64. Evidence? We have no evidence any historical figures

existed. With Yeshua, we have several cross-referened books (which were later combined into a single book we call the Bible). Also, there is virtually no way a non-historical figure could have started a religious movement. It's intuitive, and it's proven through cross-reference of multiple sources.

[Finder]

65. If there were no evidence, they wouldn't be historical.n/t

[Euphen]

69. That's not quite true.

While there is no direct physical evidence for the existence of Jesus or any independent contemporary sources, and most of the story of Jesus as told in the gospels is probably fiction, we do have the letters of Paul. While Paul never actually met Jesus, in his letter to the Galatians, which everyone accepts as authentic, he speaks of Peter and Jesus' brother James. It's hard to explain the existence of these people if Jesus himself did not exist. The vast majority of scholars today believe that there was a historical Jesus.

[Finder]

71. Paul did not exist...n/t

[Euphen]

72. That's quite a claim. I've never heard anyone go that far.

Do you have any sources for that, or is this your own theory?

[Finder]

73. Not my theory...

and I spent many years trying to disprove it. It is a fascinating theory.

The theory is that the early church took gnostic texts and letters written by several different cults in the first century as well as Josephus and others and changed some names while keeping others. Sort of an historical fiction. Many of the original writings used were stored in Alexandria and early detractors and competing cults had cited them. Of course all was lost in the fires.(supposedly)

Historical figures like Herod, John the Baptist, Simon Magus and Jacob(James)in Jerusalem were interwoven into the the traditional story we see today.

[mike_c]

6. "thou shalt get thee to Walmart and worship me on credit...."

eom

[hedgehog]

7. He never specifically called for a celebration

And in fact the Puritans discouraged celebrating Christmas as a Popish notion not mentioned in the Bible. On the other hand, the guy liked to to party. He certainly was no Scrooge and would have enjoyed the friendly gatherings and gift giving of the season. You won't get any easy answers; it's up to each one of us to judge how best to both celebrate and serve others. Jesus did both.

[Ian David]

8. This is how Jesus celebrated his birthday...

Sukkot
Level: Basic


...On the fifteenth day of this seventh month is the Festival of Sukkot, seven days for the L-RD. -Leviticus 23:34

The Festival of Sukkot begins on Tishri 15, the fifth day after Yom Kippur. It is quite a drastic transition, from one of the most solemn holidays in our year to one of the most joyous. Sukkot is so unreservedly joyful that it is commonly referred to in Jewish prayer and literature as Z'man Simchateinu , the Season of our Rejoicing.

Sukkot is the last of the Shalosh R'galim (three pilgrimage festivals). Like Passover and Shavu'ot, Sukkot has a dual significance: historical and agricultural. Historically, Sukkot commemorates the forty-year period during which the children of Israel were wandering in the desert, living in temporary shelters. Agriculturally, Sukkot is a harvest festival and is sometimes referred to as Chag Ha-Asif , the Festival of Ingathering.

The word "Sukkot" means "booths," and refers to the temporary dwellings that we are commanded to live in during this holiday in memory of the period of wandering. The Hebrew pronunciation of Sukkot is "Sue COAT," but is often pronounced as in Yiddish, to rhyme with "BOOK us." The name of the holiday is frequently translated "Feast of Tabernacles," which, like many translations of Jewish terms, isn't very useful. This translation is particularly misleading, because the word "tabernacle" in the Bible refers to the portable Sanctuary in the desert, a precursor to the Temple, called in Hebrew "mishkan." The Hebrew word "sukkah" (plural: "sukkot") refers to the temporary booths that people lived in, not to the Tabernacle.

Sukkot lasts for seven days. The two days following the festival, Shemini Atzeret and Simchat Torah, are separate holidays but are related to Sukkot and are commonly thought of as part of Sukkot.

The festival of Sukkot is instituted in Leviticus 23:33 et seq. No work is permitted on the first and second days of the holiday. (See Extra Day of Holidays for an explanation of why the Bible says one day but we observe two). Work is permitted on the remaining days. These intermediate days on which work is permitted are referred to as Chol Ha-Mo'ed, as are the intermediate days of Passover.

More:
http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday5.htm


See related thread:

Why do Christians hate Jesus? They're ignoring his birthday again!
Topic started by IanDB1 on Oct-05-06 08:34 AM (25 replies)
Last modified by papau on Oct-06-06 09:44 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=214&topic_id=90427

[Igel]

55. The church I was in kept

the Feast of Tabernacles. Day of Atonement and Feast of Trumpets, too.

I left the church quite a while ago, but still have friends that keep it. Not because it's Jesus' birthday--we believed that he was born around then, but not necessarily during the Feast itself--but because we also kept all the other holy days.

Not tabernacles of branches. Motel rooms. Even people that couldn't manage to attend frequently would usually leave home for the 8 days so as to be a sojourner of a sort.

[BOSSHOG]

9. He wants all Christians

to go to big box stores and buy lots of presents for the children and to put up a fake "christmas" tree and eat lots of food and watch football games. Here in Mississippi he wants the "christian" teen daughters of the faithful to eat lots of fast food, get fat, then get pregnant and have to drop out of school and go on welfare. Oh, and he wants them to throw their hamburger wrappers on the side of the road (by the thousands.) And he wants folks to build meth labs out in the woods as a diversion from consuming alcohol. Oh by the way, medical advances aren't wanted in Mississippi but by god it will be taken, if its free. That's the face of "christianity" I see on a daily basis. Merry Christmas baby Jesus.

[hedgehog]

26. Boy, feeling a little superior to the neighbors today,are we?

That's just the attitude we need to turn Red states Blue!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

45. The world is just a bit too with us, isn't it?

[patcox2]

10. He didn't say.

But he did say to celebrate the eucharist whenever you gather together.

[omega minimo]

12. Humbly

With Love and Light B-)

[MindPilot]

13. He wants me to put a little plastic fetus on a pile of straw

with some lights & camels. Maybe that was light up a camel...what does your bible say about smoking?

[Dhalgren]

14. Most Christians practice Paganism, they just don't know it.

All of the "Christian Holidays" are thinly veiled Grand Old Pagan Holidays. Most everybody knows this, but most Christians tend to ignore the implecations...

[hedgehog]

18. Whoever said that being a Christian meant that you couldn't have a good time?

So the early Christians took their old festivals and "baptised" them, gave them new meanings and partied on. Do you have a problem with this; because I sure don't. I enjoy how the Irish adapted their pagan tales to include Christian references. Did you know that the great king Conor MacNessa died on the same day as Christ?

"Conor died by a brain ball that sunk into his skull - fired by the hand of Cet MacMagach, the Connaught champion, whom he had pursued after a Connaught cattle raid. The legend attached to Conor’s death is curious. The brain ball fired by Cet did not directly kill him. It sank into his skull - and his doctor, Faith Liag, would not remove it, because that would cause instant death. With care, Conor might live long, carrying the brain ball. Henceforth, however, he must be moderate in all things, avoiding violent emotion, which was rare in those days for kings. Under his doctor’s wise care he lived for seven years. But one time, his court was thrown into consternation by finding broad day suddenly turned into blackest night, the heavens rent by lightning, and the world rocked by thunder, portending some dread cataclysm. Conor asked his wise men for explanation of the fearful happening. The druids and wise men told him that there had been in the East, a singular man, more noble of character, more lofty of mind, and more beautiful of soul, than the world had ever before known, or ever again would know - he was the noblest and most beautiful, most loving of men. And now the heavens and the earth were thrown into agony because on this day the tyrant Roman, jealous of his power over the people, had nailed him high upon a cross, and between two crucified thieves, had left the divine man to die a fearful death. Conor was so fired to rage at this thought, that he snatched his sword and tried to fiercely hew down a grove of trees. Under the strain of the fierce passion that held him the brain ball burst from King Conor’s head - and he fell dead."

[dysfunctional press]

22. most baptist ministers, i'd imagine.

[hedgehog]

25. See my post below.

I'm suspicious of anyone, Christian, Buddhist, Moslem or atheist who says they are religious or spiritual but who also maintains a dour view on life.

[Goblinmonger]

39. Sssssssssshhhhhhhh

That's a secret.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

47. Cultural practices all evolve

they don't just pop out of nowhere.

I like pagan practices.

[Lurking Dem]

16. According to

Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff one is supposed to eat Chinese food.

[hedgehog]

19. That's right - in the story that's how Jesus always celebrated his birthday!

I think you can't be a true Christian if you can't laugh.

[Lurking Dem]

20. Hell, I'm a Jew

and that book cracked me up from beginning to end.

"Eat bacon!"

[seabeyond]

27. you do know jesus not born dec 25. is said in the spring is when

he was born. i dont think they have a specific date. anyway i like honoring jesus one day, hurts me not, and if not a christian, a day of play....

[yodermon]

28. Augh! War on Christmas!

How Dare You! O'Reilly will point to this exact post to declare that the left-wing loonies are, IN FACT waging a war on Christmas! They must be stopped at all cost! Maybe we should mail you some Holy Anthrax to teach you a lesson about the TRUE spirit of Christmas.

Here, watch this video that you may learn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcPFuzxinzQ

[On the Road]

30. This is the Reason Good Presbyterians and Congregationalists

refused to celebrate Christmas. Or at least used to. Everyone eventually breaks down in the face of commercialism.

[hedgehog]

31. Don't forget that the Ghost of Christmas present approved

heartily of the celebrations he attended with Scrooge even though he hid the poor beneath his robes. I think Dickens had the right idea when he suggested that we need to be generous both to ourselves and to the poor. It's getting the right balance that's up to each person's conscience.

[leftofthedial]

32. hookers and blow

[Philosoraptor]

34. zat you reverend haggard?

[leftofthedial]

36. I go for female hookers though . . .

[sam sarrha]

33. no and why would the Reich cozy with someone who was obviously a Union Organizer

[Lydia Leftcoast]

37. Jesus didn't say a thing about his birthday, and

all the razzmatazz in the department stores and in the media is NOT favored by most religious people, especially when it starts right after Halloween.

The religious component to Christmas is this:

Four weeks of Advent (a penitential season consisting of the four Sundays before Christmas)
A church that follows tradition won't put up any Christmas decorations or sing carols before Christmas Eve, because Advent has its own music and its own decorations (wreath with four candles and purple vestments). This year, the four Sundays of Advent start on December 3. This year, December 24 is both the fourth Sunday of Advent (in the morning) and Christmas Eve (in the evening).

Christmas Eve, with the main service ending around midnight
Christmas Day
Maybe the saints' days in between if it's a Catholic or high church Episcopal parish
Epiphany (commemorates the coming of the Wise Men) on January 6

That's it. The older I get, the less I like the commercial aspects and the more I like Advent and the religious aspects of Christmas.

[hedgehog]

42. A penitential Advent is old style

New style is a hopeful Advent looking forward to the return of Christ with three Sundays of blue vestments and 1 of rose vestments. The rose vestments are for the third Sunday when the traditional opening prayer began with the word "Rejoice".

The major feasts include Christmas, St. Stephen's Dec 26, Feast of the Holy Innocents Dec 27, Feast of the Holy Family on the Sunday between Christmas and New Year's, New Year's Day and Epiphany. The readings for the Feast of the Holy Family are really good and include the reminder from Sirach that care for an elderly parent is a sin offering before the Lord. The Holy Day for New Year's is kind of an orphan. It used to be the Feast of the Circumcision, but I guess too many priests were too uncomfortable preaching on that subject! Over the years it has floated around as a World Day of Peace or a Marian Feast; neither of which I find very convincing. Epiphany used to also be known as Little Christmas and came on January 6 which is the 12th Day of Christmas. Nowadays Catholics in America celebrate it on the Sunday after New Year's in order to accommodate the work-a-day world. Maybe if there is a larger Mexican influence in years to come we'll get Epiphany back. .

It's hard to celebrate Advent or the 12 Days of Christmas properly anymore though. People start all the partying at Thanksgiving and stop December 24. I can't find egg nog after New Year's and about half the Christmas trees are on the curb December 26!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

43. Right, it's not gloomy like Lent

(and I'm Episcopalian, so we never get REAL gloomy.) We use purple candles on the Advent wreath, except for the third Sunday, which is pink. My church has a candle-lit Compline at 9PM on each Sunday of Advent.

But Advent is its own thing, not part of the Christmas season. The closest thing to a commercial manifestation is Advent calendars, which are largely unknown outside the liturgical end of the Christian spectrum. It bugs me when churches (especially the suburban fundie ones) start singing Christmas carols in early December and even have their only "Christmas" services before the 24th, so as not to interfere with the commercial aspects.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

51. Remember last year how many churches

cancelled Christmas Sunday services??

[TallahasseeGrannie]

50. Not in my house!

The tree stays up until January 6th.

I like a slightly penitential Advent, but not on the level of Lent or anything.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

49. I'm with you, Lydia

I love Advent, the Advent wreath..."Break Forth Oh Beautious Heavenly Light" and all that. I love real Christmas music (not the stuff on the radio) and the silence of Midnight Mass.

Good times. I just ignore the commercialism. It's all "the world." I try and stay away from "the world" as much as possible. Mostly the world screws stuff up.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

52. One of my Portland friends said that her favorite holiday was

Pentecost, because it was the only major church festival that the commercial interests haven't gotten their paws on. :-)

[TallahasseeGrannie]

53. I hear that

One of my pet peeves is Easter celebrated during Holy Week. But that's the world. I attended a convent boarding school and Holy Week for sardines, tapioca and bread. Not kidding. But Easter was flowers and feasting. Not one egg or piece of chocolate before Easter Sunday. But we partied the whole next week.

[hedgehog]

56. It's one of my theories that the reason ao many Americans are obese

is tht we never stop eating for the holidays:

Halloween candy August 31 - October 31

Christmas candy, cookies and eggnog Nov 1 - Dec 25

Valentine's Day chocolates Dec 26 - Feb 14

(Some kind of green candy Feb 15 - March 17 - optional)

Easter candy Feb 15 - Easter

[TallahasseeGrannie]

57. And you didn't even mention the BEER!

[hedgehog]

59. I also forgot to mention the whiskey cake!

I've been working on perfecting that the last few years. If the power fails, we can always light it and use it to heat the house.

[hedgehog]

60. The best Christmas celebration ever:

In Buffalo several years ago, a snow storm blew in and shut everything down December 27. We had to skedaddle out of town ahead of the storm, but the relatives who could stayed on at my Mom and Dad's and had a grand time. All over the county, people made a last run out for supplies (beer, bread & milk) then hunkered down and partied!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

67. And you forgot Thanksgiving!

:wow:

[Dorian Gray]

41. He doesn't.

Neither did other people's whose birthday we commemorate or celebrate. It's our decision to celebrate it on the 25th of December, a day in which most of us realize he was actually not born.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

46. What kind of Christmas do you celebrate?

Just curious.

My familly has gotten pretty tired of the whole big box schtick and more into spending time together. Ever since we lost my parents we seem to have a firmer grip on the frailty of life.

But we do have fun cleaning, cooking and decorating. I don't think any of us shop anymore. We make it or buy it online, and do things like get tickets, magazines. etc.

[hedgehog]

58. My mother put a limit of $`10 a person many years ago.

I try to buy something inexpensive but appreciated for all the people on my list; books, some special food item or a CD for the cousins and siblings.

My kids get a little more; several presents based on their interests. My husband gets something he wants or needs that he wouldn't buy himself.

The last few Christmases the kids have gotten together to get me and their Dad something special and they have bought each other something special like a T-shirt or DVD.

I'm just the tiniest bit bi-polar and it shows in the way I decorate.We have a monster tree. There's a Christmas village with figures including the Ghost of Christmas Past and the California raisins. We also have about 10 different manger sets on display.

Our big thing is to get a lot of special foods in like candy, pears, marzipan, cheeses. We mostly eat, talk and watch movies together at home or in the theater. I cook a big meal Christmas and we eat leftovers after that! We also visit the grandparents and cousins.

Of course, my husband is in the Christmas choir so Midnight Mass is a big deal and the kids see all their friends from high school.

[More Than A Feeling]

48. A war on corporate Christmas

just might unite us all.

[Bluerthanblue]

54. for me? I think He said

to 'celebrate' every day- And if 'we' were to celebrate HIM- it would mean emulating him- as my father always said: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"-

So, let's go out, and do good to those who hurt us- let's hang out with the 'undesirables' break the 'religious' dogma- bend the rules and push the envelope. Let's bind up the wounded, comfort the suffering, give freely, expecting nothing in return.
Let's wash one another's feet, and offer to let others 'go ahead' of us in line- Show kindness, and compassion despite our 'nature'-

Not worship 'things' and use people- but value people, and use 'things' to help others- not storing up massive treasures, and building all sorts of 'protections' against those who have nothing while we sit on our velvet cushions- and condemn those who haven't 'arrived'- Let's give out some boots, so that there are bootstraps for others to pull themselves up by- Lets let the little children come into our lives, and be CHILDREN- not squish them into miniature 'adult' roles, where they have their lives scheduled from 6 am till 6pm- so we can go out and make enough money to buy the 'things' we never find time to use- but which represent 'our value' in the world-

Let's not look at the genocide going on in the world- lets not think about the AIDS epidemic creating orphans by the second- After all the newest Play station III is coming out- and our I-Pods and razor phones and designer jeans- call to us.....

All the 'stuff' in this world, won't fill the yearning that lives within us- The empty spot that is only filled and quieted in moments when we are filled with the feeling of 'completeness'- times when we are fortunate enough to be swept up in the joy of being witness to someone overcoming a difficult situation with little more than some gentle words that slipped from our lips, or a few days of putting aside our own 'burdens' to help someone else carry theirs.

In the giving we receive- far more than we could ever imagine we could ever 'hold'- and in ways we never knew we had 'yearnings' that could be filled.

(sorry for preaching, I'm weary of commercialism, and consumerism, and Jesus being made into an excuse for greed, revenge, and self-righteous selfishness) Weary of needing to defend the truth shown through the life of Jesus- and men like Gandhi, and MLKjr. to name a few-

[nosillies]

63. You beat me to it -- every day!

Every day I try to celebrate the meaning of his life and teachings. It's much more fun than being cynical, or only feeling warm and fuzzy at certain times of the year.

And burning a pine or cinnamon scented candle any time of year I feel like it really puts me in a good mood, too. :D

[Ron Green]

62. Jesus said we should celebrate his birthday

every day: "For as long as you eat this bread, and drink this cup, you are part of the new covenant in my blood" (or words to that effect.)

Jesus' birthday is EVERY DAY. The idea is that you're born again, not once but continuously. If the creation (the bread and wine) is God's sustenance for us, then our mindful consumption of it is holy communion at every meal. Jesus was about non-stop celebration of his birth, which is our own daily birth.

"He who is not busy being born is busy dying."

[davidinalameda]

66. very nice

:loveya:

[rug]

68. Who says we should celebrate the Fourth of July?

[Euphen]

70. Jesus believed that the end of the world was imminent.

He wouldn't have been concerned with such things.

[TRYPHO]

74. Xmas Winterval Celebration

I'm upset no one has mentioned that awesome deity Mithras. It was His birthday that got used:

From http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/mithraism.html

Roman Mithras was perhaps the greatest rival to early Christianity for many reasons. As well as being a popular pagan religion practised by the Roman Army, Mithraism had many similarities to Christianity. Mithras was born of a virgin, remained celibate, his worship involving baptism, the partaking of bread marked with a cross and wine as sacrificial blood, held Sundays sacred and Mithras was born on 25th of December. Mithraist called themselves 'brother' and were led by a priest called 'father' (Pater). The symbol of the father were a staff, a hooked sword, a ring and hat.

These similarities frightened the early Christian leaders - that almost 500 years before arrival of Christ all of the Christian mysteries were already known. To combat this, Christian witters said that the Devil knew of the coming of Christ in advance and had imitated them before they existed in order to denigrate them. As Christianity gained strength and became the formal religion of the Roman Empire, the 'Cult of Mithras' was one of the first pagan cults to come under attack in the fifth century; Temples of Mithras, like most other pagan Temples, were destroyed and Churches build on them.

TRYPHO

[Danger Mouse]

75. I recall the scene...

Where Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple. I think Jesus would've wanted us to spend His birthday giving our all to those who have less than us.

[uppityperson]

76. with cake and candles?

Good post

[and-justice-for-all]

77. Maybe you should ask Dionysus or Mithras about this...nt