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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:04 PM
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Steven Pinker objects to Harvard's proposed "Reason and Faith" requirement
What do you think? Is he right?

Steven Pinker is Johnstone professor of psychology. He served on the Harvard College Curricular Review Committee on General Education that produced a previous general education report. This op-ed is adapted from remarks shared with the Task Force on General Education at a meeting with faculty.


http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=515314

My second major reservation concerns the “Reason and Faith” requirement.

First, the word “faith” in this and many other contexts, is a euphemism for “religion.” An egregious example is the current administration’s “faith-based initiatives,” so-named because it is more palatable than “religion-based initiatives.” A university should not try to hide what it is studying in warm-and-fuzzy code words.

Second, the juxtaposition of the two words makes it sound like “faith” and “reason” are parallel and equivalent ways of knowing, and we have to help students navigate between them. But universities are about reason, pure and simple. Faith—believing something without good reasons to do so—has no place in anything but a religious institution, and our society has no shortage of these. Imagine if we had a requirement for “Astronomy and Astrology” or “Psychology and Parapsychology.” It may be true that more people are knowledgeable about astrology than about astronomy, and it may be true that astrology deserves study as a significant historical and sociological phenomenon. But it would be a terrible mistake to juxtapose it with astronomy, if only for the false appearance of symmetry.

Third, if this is meant to educate students about the role of religion in history and current affairs, why isn’t it just a part of the “U.S. and the World” requirement? Religion is an important force, to be sure, but so are nationalism, ethnicity, socialism, markets, nepotism, class, and globalization. Why single religion out among all the major forces in history?

There is also considerable disagreement over whether religion really is the driving force behind the conflicts that are commonly attributed to it. Many people in Ireland insist that the Ulster conflict is about British rule versus Irish unification, not about Protestantism versus Catholicism. And among the Islam-aligned forces with which our country is currently entangled, Saddam Hussein’s Baathism is more secular and nationalist than it is religious. Whether or not religion is a major force is a question best left to our colleagues in history, government, and area studies, in the context of the broadest possible study of world affairs. This empirical issue should not be prejudged in the categories of a general education requirement.

Fourth, if the requirement is supposed to be about the clash in the history of ideas between religion and reason in Western thought, here again it seems far too arbitrary and specific a choice for a general education requirement. Why not rationalism and empiricism, or idealism and materialism, or the subjective and the objective?

Finally, if the requirement is meant to be the union of all or any of these (some students concentrate on Islamic jihad, others on the Reformation, still others on the argument from design or the ontological argument for God’s existence, still others on biblical history), it just doesn’t hang together as a coherent requirement.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:10 PM
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1. Pinker is very astute
I love his books and writings.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:25 PM
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2. It seems like they just want a philosophy class of some sort.
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 01:26 PM by kiahzero
Is the report in question somewhere to see what the general education requirements are more specifically?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:32 PM
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6. I don't know.
:shrug:

Good question.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:30 PM
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3. agree with Pinker
nt
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:19 PM
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4. correct me if I'm wrong,
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 02:19 PM by ayeshahaqqiqa
but didn't Harvard start out as a school with strong religious leanings-like the point was to have graduates who were Puritan ministers? If it is still a private institution, there's nothing to keep them from having these classes, is there?

I'd like to attend the Astronomy/Astrology class myself....:P
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:20 PM
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5. I'm wrong.
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 02:21 PM by kiahzero
Self-delete.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 06:16 PM
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8. Right, it's a private institution
They can offer anything they want, and if they want students to be knowledgeable about religion, that's like wanting them to be knowledgeable about literature or art or anything else that's a part of culture.

Knowing the Ivy League, they aren't going to have altar calls or compulsory chapel. Far from it. They'll have philosophy of religion, sociology of religion, comparative religion, those kinds of academic subjects.

Honestly, the knee-jerk reactions some of you have...
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:14 PM
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10. Um...
The fact that it is private and has every right to do prity much as it pleases...

Should not stop anyone from calling them stupid if thats what they beleive.

I don't have enough information in this case to make an informed judgement. However the OP is quoting someone at the school as I understand it, and this is far from the most knee-jerk thread I have seen.
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charles22 Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:42 PM
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7. Mostly agree.
The word "faith" is a rather offensive euphemism.
Maybe Harvard could require a philosophy class that discussed religion and reason. Nothing wrong with that.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:04 PM
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9. Go Steven!
Totally spot on.
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