Jesus is a LIBERAL

[texpatriot2004]

Sorry guys, I don't usually like to mix religion and politics but the troll who started the opposite thread offended me. Peace to you and whoever your God is, however you conceive him/her.

[New Earth]

1. and a hippy!!

look at his hair!!

[texpatriot2004]

And a rebel.

And a revolutionary.

[Wiley50]

6. Of Course, a Revolutionary

they wouldn't have bothered to nail him up if he wasn't

Wiley

[Left Brain]

26. not to mention a SERIOUS pacifist

[MemphisTiger]

34. He wasn't completely a pacifist

He told his deciples to carry two swords (Luke 2:36-38). Jesus also went to the church to drive out he money changers with a whip. (I don't remember the exact book and verse). However, He does say turn the other cheek.

[NurseLefty]

4. and his sandals!

Birkenstocks? Or, Tevas? ;-)

[Zynx]

39. Probably flip-flops like all damn liberals.

;-)

[texpatriot2004]

2. Who would Jesus BOMB?

[ValleyGirl]

7. LOL, exactly! Jesus was the furthest thing from a Repug

He was a radical liberal who was a popular civil rights activist of his time. It baffles me how anyone could consider him a conservative.

[Stunster]

42. Probably George Bush (n/t)

[Patsy Stone]

3. WWJB?

Who Would Jesus Bomb?

[Birthmark]

5. Then according to Mannthrax he hates America

Why does Jesus hate America?

[johntao]

8. "Turn the other cheek"

would never come from the mouth of a conservative. I think a conservative would say something like "Burn the witch" or "God hates fags".

[texpatriot2004]

13. That's very likely what they would say. n/t

[Neoma]

9. yes he is

:)

[AnIndependentTexan]

10. How many times do I have to tell you that I'M JESUS!

Actually I'm really his second cousin from his third mother that was his fifth father that had two daughters on the aunts side that married her nephew. Oh don't forget about the sister who married her brother as well.

[ValleyGirl]

12. LOL

Cool, hey if you can do that nifty water-into-wine trick I'll invite you to all my parties :hippie:

[Democrat Dragon]

11. Jesus also spoke out against the government's unjust actions

[texpatriot2004]

15. Yes. And he was all about feeding the hungry,

sheltering the homeless, visiting those in prison, and caring for the sick. Sounds pretty "liberal."

[jamboi]

16. And vs social conservatives that acted like morals were > people and love.

ie. the pharisees.

[Padme Amidala]

14. This is true

The Bible tells me so.

[madrchsod]

17. yes he was,

and in alot more ways than most people think

[texpatriot2004]

18. Some would say he was a troublemaker. n/t

I mean, during his time, you know. And he hung out with some really questionable folks eh. Outcasts. How many conservatives do you know that would do that?

[texpatriot2004]

19. And he didn't come to judge and condemn people n/t

He came to forgive and heal.

[Chasing Dreams]

20. The trolling freeper who started the opposite thread has

been terminated. Good riddance. I doubt we'll see a resurrection, but be on the lookout for a reincarnation.

[texpatriot2004]

21. Yeah, I alerted the authorities, they did a great job...Fast

How do you know when they reincarnate. I mean obviously I'll spot a troll, but how do you know if it's the same one or not?

[Chasing Dreams]

22. I sounded the alert too.

Troll reincarnation? "How do you know if it's the same one or not?" I guess it doesn't really matter. They are kind of like army ants anyway with the same worn-out talking points and tactics.

With apologies in advance to those who might be offended, our task is to crush as many as we can. Who knows, we might even get the queens...allowing the trolls and freepers to reincarnate...as progressives.

[texpatriot2004]

32. Thanks for alerting the authorities.

I like the idea that they would come back in another life as progressives.

[Yupster]

23. Jesus didn't have anything to do with government

He never marched against the Romans or demanded an increase in the bread dole.

When the Good Samaritan found the injured traveller he didn't call the police or the governor's office. He cared for him.

I think Jesus purposely stayed far away from politics -- kind of a separation of church and state you might say.

[jamboi]

24. He spoke against soldiers and taxpayers who misused their authority: govt

He says "give unto ceaser that which is ceaser's and give unto God that which is God's". Which sort of goes to your point. But he also speaks out against the scribes and pharisees who were very much in power and controling the government. Jesus really isn't a primarily a political actor, though he has lots of implications on politics. He emphasizes his kingdom was of heaven, not of earth. He says "he who lives by the sword will die by the sword." He is extremely complex, and not pidgeonholable. I see that as a pointer to his divine nature which is beyond merely human and entirely out of the box.

[sd_UDO]

25. Jesus was more Jeffersonian than Jefferson

Tom was good, but Jesus was beyond

Jesus was the Ultimate Blue Liberal!

My message is--elect Democrats every 2 months---

Here's how we can paint South Dakota Ultra-Blue! This will work for
any state in the USA--do this in your state- start an UDO group!

After the election, I decided to change things. I decided we needed to have our own elections-- 6 times a year!

Check out UDO!

Wanna OutBLUE people in a Red County? Check out my Yahoo Group--

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sd_democrats_UDO /

Let's start a state wide UDO (Ultra Democratic organization)--

first elections December 2004!

(Anyone can join the Yahoo group)

Thanks!

[newyawker99]

30. Hi sd_UDO!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Misunderestimator]

41. Being a liberal does not mean you are part of government.

It is the ideals you hold, and by and large the ideals of liberalism and progressivism are a hell of a lot closer to what Jesus preached than any republican I've ever known. Ergo... he would have been a liberal.

Do you think he would have just "turned the other cheek" on the war... or do you think he would have preached against war? Do you think he would have ignored the mess of social security, or do you think he would have spoken about rich men going through eyes of needles?

[Woo]

27. If JESUS is a LIBERAL..

On Edit: and had run for President

He would be a loser(at this point) just like Kerry --

Sitting around on the couch -- birkenstocks propped on the coffee table with a bag of cheetoes trying to figure out just how the hell did George W Bush ever get the best of him ...

hmmm... maybe it's the beard? nahhhh

the robe? nahhhh

the sandals...yeah? then again...nahhhh they liked the sandals...

Bush is a thievin bastard... hmmmm? ....nahhh, he wouldn't, it's the shoes, definitely the shoes.

[jamboi]

28. Jesus is apolitical, though he also has a huge impact on politics.

He's an enigma.

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[GOPBasher]

31. Yes, he IS! "Give to him who asks of you.."

"Turn the other cheak," "Let he who has not sinned throw the first stone," etc.

[texpatriot2004]

33. I really like that "let he who is without sin" saying

Those "compassionate conservatives" should be educated about that one.

[GOPBasher]

35. Amen, brother!

[Igel]

47. But in addition to "he who is without sin", he

also told the woman to "sin no more."

[RUDUing2]

36. Christ was a liberal...Paul was conservative..

IMO conservatives who claim to be christians are really paulians...

[gorbal]

37. Jesus went both ways

If any of you read what was left OUT of the bible? There is some flaming stuff there, I swear.

[RUDUing2]

38. one of my favorite books is "lost books of the bible"...

[GreenPartyVoter]

40. He is in my book!

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Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/

[DerekG]

43. We should be careful in labeling Him "liberal"--or anything else

He sure as hell wasn't a rightist, and yet...

Christ called for a revolution of the spirit, not of the body politic (remember that He rejected worldly power, a temptation offered by Satan and glorified by the Jewish zealots). Where does this figure in to the liberal's desire to reform capitalism?

Let us also keep in mind that many here are, more or less, apologists for the more "progressive" militarists of our history: Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson. What would Christ have to say to all the good liberals who still believe in "guns and butter"; to all those who merely insist on living in a kinder, gentler empire?

Throw in the abortion issue (we don't know where He'd stand on that), and it's possible that Jesus wouldn't be welcome in certain leftist circles.

He's beyond politics.

[Dcitizen]

44. Bible said the Father sent forth his Son as Savior. n/t

[DerekG]

46. I don't understand

How does this heading constitute a response to my post?

[Hidden Stillness]

45. Makes Sense to Me

God is an absolute, the infinite ultimate, "all things to all people," beyond beyond, and cannot be named, (no, not "He," bigots), but Jesus, although ultimately unknowable, appeared on Earth and stated things, and called them "believers," and so something cognitive can be traced. Although God's Word has infinite meaning, it was still told to people so as to be coherent as they could think of it.

Many religions, Taoism, Buddhism, etc., appear (to me) to make references to nature only, as if there is no political world of cities. This is why so many fake adherents use those religions to run away with, as fake Christians use Bible quotes as attacks. Jesus and the Apostles referred to the social structure of things, and lived a pattern. Although there is great latitude as to what each believer is seeking, and thinks the Scripture is addressing, there are still certain constant themes.

The New Testament has a heavy emphasis on abuse, injustice against those who can't fight back, the goodness of those who stray and then come back, the evil of riches and the greedy, hypocrisy and pretense, the fact that although truth is eternal, now there is a new way, a new teaching, and further, that as the Christian advances, even that will be discarded and the believer's now ingrained sense of moral truth will stand alone with God (Galations 3:23-26; "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterward be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." Also, Gal. 5:18; "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law"). This does not mean ignoring morals, but on the contrary, getting rid of the conformist pretense of it--"following the law," which is outside of you--and actually becoming the thing with your own conscience, which will teach you.

Everybody knows all the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5, 6, and 7) quotes against the rich, hypocrites who pray and tithe in public, "Blessed are the peacemakers," etc., but also that Mary Magdeline was the First among all the disciples, who saw and talked with Jesus after the Resurrection, when all the blathering males who wanted her out, did not. It is mystical, (all the quotes from 1 and 2 Corinthians), and more separate from the government than against it, but always against capitalism, and also, Gal. 3:27-28, "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus," and Christ's heirs.

There is at the basis of things an anti-legalism attitude of Christ, for the real: Matthew 12:31-32, on how blasphemy against both God and Jesus shall be forgiven, very wise about how people have to learn, "but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven," "neither in this world, neither in the world to come." This means a lie against the truth itself, not the "authority." There are no quotes from Jesus against homosexuals, abortion (they had herbally-induced abortion), women as teachers or disciples, but there are reams and reams against the greedy, oppressive rich. You make the call.

There is also a strong, recurring teaching not to be arrogant, that we are all sinners: "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again," (Matthew 7:1-2), and the phoniness of the "conservative," merely personal morality that stopped at itself, "For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect," (complete, not partial), even as God and the truth is (Matthew 5:46-48). Not punitive like archcons, but thoughtful and searching, and knowing always that we humans are always flawed, and could use a little self-correcting humbleness and self-criticism.

Yes, Jesus was, as we would call it, a "liberal," because although a Spirit and essentially unknowable, there was still a comprehensible moral component to the religious teaching, and this was it. Also, God speaks to me personally, and said, about conservatives and capitalists, "Fuck off and go to Hell, and I mean it!"

[Igel]

48. Anachronistic.

You're thinking completely inside the box.

He ignored the Roman occupation, for the most part, telling one of the commanders of the occupation troops to do his job honestly. He ignored non-Israelities, for the most part, saying he was sent to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel".

He spoke to remove restrictions that the Pharisees and Sadducees imposed. He said that while they should be tithing their mint and other herbs--which is a picky application of something God imposed--they certainly ought not neglect the more important matters (on which the law hangs ...). He prophesied doom for the Pharisees, but told them how to correct their errors.

This sounds neither conservative nor liberal to me. Neither side gets to own him.

[Zhade]

49. If he existed, he sure was.

Too bad many of his alleged followers don't share that liberal mentality!