Something just for madinmaryland, The all Wise football fan who thinks no one else cheats.

[Forkboy]

You asked, "We know that the Patriots and Belicheck were cheating, but where is your evidence others were?"

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As a former NFL player , I would always hear the saying, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."

When I played in the NFL, there were many teams that I played against that by "magic" seemed to know what our plays were. There were teams that I played against where I would ask myself, "How on earth do they know what plays we are running?"

You should know that cheating runs rampant in the NFL and it is not just the Patriots that are cheating. Yes, they got caught because they made their cheating too obvious. But make no mistake about it, it is a fact that all NFL teams cheat to some extent.

In my NFL career I was taught that a team has to do whatever it can do to get an advantage over the competition, and that cheating is considered okay as long as you don’t get caught. It is just a part of the game.


Years earlier, the legendary George Allen used to order an employee to ride a bicycle in circles around Redskin Park, looking for spies in trees, especially during Dallas week .

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/2007-09-12-brennan-cheating_N.htm

At a time when most discussion relating to the NFL centers on whether and to what extent teams are cheating, a league insider pointed out a curious reality from the Colts-Titans game, played in Tennessee on Sunday.

With every step taken by every player, sand was flying everywhere.

For a team's regular-season home opener, how could the field have been in that kind of shape? It's the kind of thing that prompts speculation that the Titans added sand to the field in order to slow down the Colts and their finesse offense.

Video available on NFL.com from the Titans' preseason opener against the Redskins reveals much less sand spray. Though the Colts barely won the game, they've got every right to complain about the fact that the Titans might have done the same kind of thing to them that every team from one time or another has tried to do to a visiting team.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2007-09-16/10-pack-cheating-still-hot-topic

Hall of Fame center Jim Langer couldn’t help but laugh when asked about the videotape cheating scandal involving the New England Patriots.

“That’s like the week before we played Washington in the Super Bowl,” Langer said, recalling a moment from the Miami Dolphins’ undefeated season in 1972. “We were chasing the spies (Redskins coach) George Allen sent out of the bushes all week.”
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In the 1960s, Oakland Raiders coach-and-later-general managing partner Al Davis once pretended to be a reporter after a game and interviewed a player from the opposing team about the plays his team had used successfully against the Raiders.

Davis was involved in another odd story in the 1970s. The Dolphins consistently had problems against the Raiders at the time. It got to the point one time during a halftime session when the coaches were going over the adjustments that Dolphins coach Don Shula screamed at one of the air conditioning vents: “Al, I know you have bugs in here.”

Langer laughed at that memory, too.

“With (Davis), you could believe anything might happen,” said Langer, who played with the Dolphins from 1970-79.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-historynflcheating&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Players from the Carolina Panthers received anabolic prescriptions one week before the 2004 Superbowl No penalty given.

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/why_is_the_nfl_.html

Colts Cheating, Making Fake Crowd Noise. Fake crowd noise is officially cheating in the NFL rulebook,

http://www.xomba.com/colts_cheating_making_fake_crowd_noise

Broncos circumvented cap from 1996-98. NEW YORK -- The Denver Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose their third-round pick in next year's NFL draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996-98.

The penalties were levied Thursday following an agreement involving the league, its union and the team.

The violations included agreements between the team and several players to defer salary payments with interest and an agreement not to waive a player before a certain date. Both raised issues with accounting for the salary cap.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1883127

Broncos Penalized Again for Salary Cap Violations. The penalties imposed Thursday on the Denver Broncos for violations of the league's rules regarding the disclosure of deferred compensation to players and the salary cap were the second sanctions against the team for similar infractions in less than three years.

In December 2001, the Broncos were fined $968,000 and lost a third-round pick in the 2002 draft for violations reportedly relating to $29 million in deferred payments to quarterback John Elway and running back Terrell Davis.

On Thursday, the league announced that the Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose a third-round selection in next year's draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996 and '98.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

And lastly, I saved this one just for you...

Ex-NFL Coach Jimmy Johnson Admits To Cheating - Two weeks ago, FOX's Jimmy Johnson admitted on the network's pregame show that he engaged in the same type of cheating that got the Pats in trouble during a Week One win over the Jets. On Friday, Johnson reiterated his remarks on WFAN in New York, in a spot with Mike Francesa and Chris Russo. Johnson said that, 18 years ago, a Chiefs scout told him how to do exactly what Belichick did. Though Johnson didn't name the scout when he first mentioned it on FOX, Johnson now says that the scout was the late Mark Hatley. "I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league," Johnson said. "This was commonplace." Johnson also implicated then-Chiefs offensive line coach Howard Mudd, who currently serves as the offensive line coach with the Colts, saying that Johnson "was the best in the entire league at stealing signals." As he said on FOX, Johnson explained that he didn't do it much because he didn't get much out of it. Still, Johnson recognizes its potential value. "If it gives you one single play in the ball game," he said, "it might be the difference."

http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/41039-ex-nfl-coach-jimmy-johnson-admits-cheating.html

Uh oh, that can't be good. How can a paragon of virtue like you, so dedicated to truth and honesty in the NFL, ever keep rooting for admitted cheaters, people who did EXACTLY what Belichick did?

[Forkboy]

1. Kick for the thread mad is too scared to respond to.

:puke:

[madinmaryland]

3. Amazing. Are you quoting cboy's blogs about the Cowboys?

LOSER!

[Forkboy]

6. Take it up with Jimmy Johnson.

Going from "cheating sucks" to "cheating is ok when my team does it" in under five minutes is impressive though. So there's that. :thumbsup:

[madinmaryland]

2. Wow. Just wow. I thought you were better than that. Posting a comment from

a blogger about something that he "heard." Apparently you have been to the O'Rielly school of Journalism.

:wow:

And I am supposed to believe this, because this is shown on your web site...



That really lends a lot of credibility to your commentary.

Wow! Just Wow!

[Forkboy]

5. I knew you'd pull this.

Just like cboy, saving face is more important than being a man. And like cboy, you resort to phony shock when you have nothing. And just as it was with with him, all of us can see it. How does that make you feel to be acting just like him?

No comment on the other links, candy ass? No comment on the words out of Jimmy Johnson's own mouth? No comments on the ex-NFL player? No comments about George Allen?

Gee, I wonder why.

Douchebag.

[madinmaryland]

8. So you are basing your comments on a poster on a sports thread,

without any backup. Ok. Those words are out of the mouth of a poster on a sports thread, douche.

You have yet to PROVE that Johnson said that.

And you really think that I am going to defend Macaca's dad? You really are cboy. Next you are going to be calling me a homophobe. Sheesh.

You, my friend, are the douchebag.

Sad, just very sad.

[Forkboy]

10. Yeah, the guy made the entire exchange up. I'm sure the radio broadcast was faked as well.

Both sources got together, when they had time off from looking for Obama's birth certificate, and fabricated both tales, just to make you look bad.

Denial, river, you know the rest.

Here's some more made up quotes by Jimmy Johnson....

After seeing the footage, former Cowboys and Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson - who works as a host on Fox's pregame show - said on the show: "This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn't think it helped us."

Johnson added that "every team has got a file on the other team. I used to send an intern up to the opposing coach's box after the game and go through the trash. Because after the game, what do they do? They take their game plan and their scouting reports and throw them away. My intern would get all of that stuff and put it right in the file."

"And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That's why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn't make him right, but a lot of teams are doing this."

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/09/17/report_belichick_earns_new_deal/?page=2

This guy is a good writer, as he fabricates an entire conversation with Jimmy.


Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You’re a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?

JJ: Oh please. I’ve said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they’re not on the press box side you can’t do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.

Q: Did you ever steal signals?

JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.

Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?

JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you’re going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.

Q: But did you do it by taping the signal caller?

JJ: Yeah.

Q: Oh you did.

JJ: That’s what I’m saying. I was saying one of Marty Schottenheimer’s scouts, Mark Hatley, who has passed away now, Mark told me that’s how they did it, and Howard Mudd their offensive line coach with Kansas City, who now coaches for Tony Dungy, he was the best in the entire league at stealing signals.

Q: Where’d you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?

JJ: My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you’d just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That’s the best way to do it, but anyway you can’t always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they’re on the same side as the opposing team that’s when you need to do it from the sideline.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/?p=2202&srvc=home&position=recent


Yeah, mad, it's all made up. He never said of any of that. :eyes:

[TZ]

4. OMG!

I am so stealing the asterick Dallas trophy picture ! :rofl:

[Forkboy]

7. Thanks, I just made it.

Note how mad refuses to accept the words from Jimmy Johnson's own mouth? All his bitching about Belichick and it turns out his beloved Jimmy did the exact same shit. :rofl:

Of course, he's pulling a cboy tonight and not owning up to anything, just trying to divert and distract from this little nugget. Choosing one link out of a bunch and attacking the source while ignoring what it says, no evidence of his own that contradicts what Johnson said, calling me O'Reilly. What former DUer does that sound like? :)

[madinmaryland]

9. Of course you can't actually document what Johnson said, other than

through a sports blog.

Sad.

Show a real link, and then we can talk.

[Forkboy]

11. Yes mad, it was all made up.

The interview, the radio broadcast, the live spot on Fox Sports...none of it happened.

When do you join the Birther movement?