Colts are cheating??

[madinmaryland]

Colts Cheating, Making Fake Crowd Noise

It has already been suspected of the Indianapolis Colts, but recently there has been more suspicion as to whether the Colts are making fake crowd noise, and pumping it into the stadium. It is kind of incredible how fake crowd noise can be cheating, but I guess it provides a sort of fake moral boost that could possibly provide an edge over the other team. Psychological cheating I suppose. I'm sure this season will have a few more "cheating" busts thanks to the New England Patriots thing. Fake crowd noise is officially cheating in the NFL rulebook. So the colts will have to either stop, or prove that they aren't doing what is suspected of them.

http://www.xomba.com/colts_cheating_making_fake_crowd_noise

If you look a little deeper, this is from a blog. Are we starting to see a pattern here?

http://www.850thebuzz.com/blog/?p=3529

Sad, but I guess it is the Sports Forum

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

1. Sorry, blog links don't cut it....right?

You really do think that the Pats are the only team that's ever cheated, don't you? I thought you were just fucking around, but it's clear now that you really are a naive simpleton. You probably try to stay up for Santa every Christmas still, wearing your little footy pajamas with Roger Staubach on them. :rofl:

Hey, douche, where are your comments on these? Please explain how each one is false. Thank you for your time and consideration.

1 - As a former NFL player , I would always hear the saying, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."

When I played in the NFL, there were many teams that I played against that by "magic" seemed to know what our plays were. There were teams that I played against where I would ask myself, "How on earth do they know what plays we are running?"

You should know that cheating runs rampant in the NFL and it is not just the Patriots that are cheating. Yes, they got caught because they made their cheating too obvious. But make no mistake about it, it is a fact that all NFL teams cheat to some extent.

In my NFL career I was taught that a team has to do whatever it can do to get an advantage over the competition, and that cheating is considered okay as long as you don’t get caught. It is just a part of the game.


Years earlier, the legendary George Allen used to order an employee to ride a bicycle in circles around Redskin Park, looking for spies in trees, especially during Dallas week.

Uh oh, USA Today....no good, right?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/2007-09-12-brennan-cheating_N.htm

2 - At a time when most discussion relating to the NFL centers on whether and to what extent teams are cheating, a league insider pointed out a curious reality from the Colts-Titans game, played in Tennessee on Sunday.

With every step taken by every player, sand was flying everywhere.

For a team's regular-season home opener, how could the field have been in that kind of shape? It's the kind of thing that prompts speculation that the Titans added sand to the field in order to slow down the Colts and their finesse offense.

Video available on NFL.com from the Titans' preseason opener against the Redskins reveals much less sand spray. Though the Colts barely won the game, they've got every right to complain about the fact that the Titans might have done the same kind of thing to them that every team from one time or another has tried to do to a visiting team.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-historynflcheating&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

3 - Players from the Carolina Panthers received anabolic prescriptions one week before the 2004 Superbowl No penalty given.

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/why_is_the_nfl_.html (you already tried mocking this one, which shows what a fucking dumbass you are, and how your kneejerk defense of a cheater like Johnson makes you no different from the hypocrite who just got shitcanned from DU)

4 - Broncos circumvented cap from 1996-98. NEW YORK -- The Denver Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose their third-round pick in next year's NFL draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996-98.

The penalties were levied Thursday following an agreement involving the league, its union and the team.

The violations included agreements between the team and several players to defer salary payments with interest and an agreement not to waive a player before a certain date. Both raised issues with accounting for the salary cap.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1883127

Hey, what the fuck does ESPN know about sports?

5 - Broncos Penalized Again for Salary Cap Violations. The penalties imposed Thursday on the Denver Broncos for violations of the league's rules regarding the disclosure of deferred compensation to players and the salary cap were the second sanctions against the team for similar infractions in less than three years.

In December 2001, the Broncos were fined $968,000 and lost a third-round pick in the 2002 draft for violations reportedly relating to $29 million in deferred payments to quarterback John Elway and running back Terrell Davis.

On Thursday, the league announced that the Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose a third-round selection in next year's draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996 and '98.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

So go ahead....tell us how all these examples are merely lies.

I'll wait.

[madinmaryland]

2. Thanks for the amusement tonight! You are a classic!

I still like how you are using Macaca's dad to support your argument!

BTW. I said that the Patriots are the only team to have gotten caught doing what the League had specifically told them was illegal. BB arrogently flouted the rule and got caught.

[Forkboy]

3. I thought you were off to bed.

I'm going to try one more time to explain my point. Please, you try to understand, and I'll try not to be snarky.

The point of bringing up other teams cheating was not to say that it makes it ok that the Patriots did it. I have never once said that, here or anywhere. You were here when the story broke. You must have seen my posts on this and where I stood. I repeatedly said the sentence should have been more severe than it was, and that what the Patriots did was wrong. I said that as recently as today in one of these threads.

But you can't ignore the context of cheating in the NFL when discussing cheating in the NFL. I've shown you a bunch of stuff tonight (disregard the Johnson stuff even) that clearly shows that cheating has been, and will continue to be, a big part of the NFL. My point was that with all these teams cheating in some way, how is it that only the Pats had success by cheating? That's not excusing them or anyone else for cheating, it's asking why it helped one team but not others. It's clear that signal stealing has been an issue for decades, so how did it only help the Patriots?

When I asked this earlier you said it was irrelevant because I hadn't proven that there was cheating in the NFL besides this incident with the Pats. I then DID prove it, so the question is very relevant. How did the Pats cheating help them, when other teams cheating didn't help them? What was the difference?

The reason I ask those questions is because the Patriots went on to win 18 straight after getting bagged. If the cheating was why they won previously, how did they win so many in a row after the cheating stopped? Were they still cheating after that, even with the league breathing down their neck and watching them like a hawk? If so, where's the evidence? If not, what other factor or factors was it that allowed them to do what they did that year (and last year minus Brady)? Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, Belichick really does know what he's doing, and that maybe, just maybe, the Pats have a boatload of talent? Bosshog thinks they're still cheating, but of course had no evidence, just paranoia. So let me ask you straight up...do you think the Pats are still cheating, and if so, how?

Do you understand what I'm saying here, and can you see that I'm not using the "everyone else does it too" defense? I'm not saying it was right, but I am saying it's way overblown. People saying stuff in jest about the cheating is funny shit. I have fun with it too. But at the end of the day people need to face football reality, and that reality is that Belichick is one of the best coaches in football, hands down. Bitterness is no excuse to deny the obvious. as I've said, there's a reason Belichick was voted Coach of the Year that year. Because football people know football, and know what he did was damned impressive.

You know, the Jimmy Johnson stuff is totally true (and I think you know this), but I don't think he deserves to be ragged on like Belichick is, and I don't think the team deserves an asterisk for their wins (despite my pic made in jest). Johnson is a great damn coach, and taping teams signals doesn't change that in the slightest bit. And the same goes for Belichick. It's one thing to hate other teams, but its another to deny reality, and when it comes to Belichick far too many people do just that. That doesn't bother me as a Patriots fan, it bothers me as a football fan.

[madinmaryland]

5. Well, to get to your central question, did the Patriots cheat after the first game?

Obviously not. At that point Belicheck would not have pulled that again. Through this whole brouhaha, the only thing that have reiterated is that BB was caught cheating and it was after the league specifically told everyone they would be busted if they did that. His "perfect season" is not suspect, but are the previous season suspect? Who knows. That's what we argue about here.

BTW, regardless of whether BB was cheating he did win three Super Bowls with very well constructed teams, just as JJ did in the early 90's (though he had the gun-toting Switzer win the third one for him.

And your mentioning of bitterness is shown by all of the folks here who try to malign the Dallas Cowboys by talking about a team felons/drug addicts/and fuck-ups. I'm sure we can dig up shit on any team (are you listening Eaglet fans?)

[joeybee12]

4. Pumping sound when the visiting team is calling plays gives the home team

an advantage, because the visiting team's players can't hear the signals...there was suspicion of this 2 years ago towards the end of the Colts-America's Team game when there was a big bump in noise at the end when America's Team had the ball.

[MrSlayer]

6. It's not about a fake moral boost. It's about drowning out the QB's signals.

The 12th man is your home field advantage, pumping fake crowd noise is absolutely cheating.

[NJmaverick]

7. Fake or real crowd noise is cheating in my estimation

since it actually affects the play on the field. Open air stadiums and those with older fan bases or stadiums that are not designed to funnel the noise are at a competitive disadvantage. That is wrong in my book.

[trumad]

8. "real crowd noise"

LOL---what---should the scoreboard post a big Shhhhh...when the opposing team is on offense?

Too funny.

[NJmaverick]

9. Well funny man why do you think it's fair that crowd noise affects the game?

Many years ago when the opposing teams couldn't hear, the QB could ask the refs for silence. However this tended to only stir up the crowd more. I would imagine a 15 yard penalty would quiet them down quick enough. It's telling that you think a fair game with both teams competing equally is "funny", very telling.

[trumad]

10. Dude---if you want quite---go to a Golf match...

You want to add a 15 yard penalty because the fans are into the game?

Dude---it's part of home field advantage.

Teams adapt to it with hand signals, etc....

It's part of the fucking game...

[NJmaverick]

11. Well to be fair I want quiet not quite

Home field advantage should be equal through out the league. Either that or let all players have radios in their helmets so crowd noise is negated.

[trumad]

12. My point is---penalizing the fans is retarded.

[NJmaverick]

13. and it's a very inarticulate point at that

sorry but I don't really relate well to fanboy mentality.

[trumad]

14. And I don't relate to douchebags...

OK---let me try it this way... you want to throw a 15 yard penalty flag for fans making noise..Right?

That's your solution---right?

[NJmaverick]

16. When the QB can no longer communicate with his players

then he notifies the ref. The ref warns the crowd. If they fail to quiet down, they throw the flag. Simple as that. Keeps things fair and allows equal compeition. Either that or go with my radio idea.


As for you douchebag comment, is that why you act the way you do? You are trying to relate better with douchebags, because I find your comments to be generally insulting and simplistic.

[madinmaryland]

17. Am I to understand that you want the fans at sporting event to be quiet?

Uhmmm, isn't that part of the game (i.e. the twelth man)?

OTOH, if a team intentionally pumps noise into the stadium, I don't have a problem with a rule against that.

[NJmaverick]

18. When the noise makes it impossible for the QB to communicate

I think you are crossing the line. That's just my opinion. We all know that some team's fans will deliberately bring noise making devices and make as much noise as possible to disrupt the other teams offense. We also know that domes and some specially designed stadiums (floors that pound like drums when stomped and others designed to focus noise) give some teams an advantage. To me the game should be won or lost by the players on the field. I have no problem with booing and chants and encouraging your home team, but when the noise causes a team to have to go to silent snap counts and players miss the play in the huddle, in my view you are cheating.

[madinmaryland]

19. Unfortunately, I think there is a better chance of getting

a True Single Payer Health Care System this year, than to getting fans to stop trying to disrupt the visiting team.

[NJmaverick]

20. No doubt, I was just saying how I felt. I seriously doubt anything will be done about it

[madinmaryland]

15. Nice post, cboy4! Making fun of the special needs people!

:D

[KamaAina]

21. All the Dolts' crowd noise has been fake since Moving Day

:grr: