Federal prosecutors appeal ruling tossing out Bonds evidence

[Upton]

Federal prosecutors are urging an appeals court to let them present evidence against Barry Bonds that a trial court judge tossed from his perjury trial.

Prosecutors asked the appeals court Monday to let them present, among other things, test results purporting to show Bonds used steroids.

In February, U.S. District Court Judge Susan Illston ruled any evidence connected to Bonds' personal trainer, Greg Anderson, was off limits. Anderson has told the judge he would go to jail rather than testify against the slugger.

Bonds has pleaded not guilty to lying to a federal grand jury in 2002 when he denied knowingly taking performance-enhancing drugs.

The government filed its plea with the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/06/01/bonds.steroids.ap/index.html?eref=si_topstories

Yeah, these punk prosecutors don't have any case at all without this so called evidence..and since Greg Anderson refuses to testify that the urine samples and log book entries have anything to do with Barry, what the government is doing is asking the 9th Circuit to allow in hearsay evidence...what kind of crap is that?

Of course if Bonds is convicted on the basis of hearsay evidence alone, it won't bother the Bonds haters. After all, like most lynchings, this whole thing has very little to do with the truth.

[cboy4]

1. There's no way the appeals court can overturn that decision.

Hearsay is hearsay and it's never admissible.

See this is the MO of the prosecution. Whine and cry and beg, because they know the false case they're presenting has hit a brick wall, and they're in danger of being laughed out of the courtroom.

Oh it'll happen if they foolishly decide to go on with this charade.

And I will be framing the photo of their sad faces after they lose, and hang their heads in shame.

(It reminds me a lot of trumad's life .. one failure after the other.)

:o

[Onceuponalife]

2. let's see if they can find a judge and grand jury

that hasn't taken the payola. Or who hasn't asked for baroid's autograph during the trial. And no O.J. jurors this time, please!

[Upton]

5. Says the man who supports a team

that has a documented PED user on their roster. Unlike Bonds, Manny has tested dirty for MLB on a least 2 occasions..how do you reconcile your attacks upon Barry with your defense of Ramirez?..Seems rather hypocritical at the very least.

[Onceuponalife]

31. But I never defended Banny

I called him a stupid idiot, in fact. No hypocricy. Try again.

[madinmaryland]

3. Heh! Haven't had a good Barroid rager thread in a few weeks!

Thanks kids!

[cboy4]

4. It was one of the top ESPN stories on the website.

Upton is simply reporting news.

But we're glad you're here now to dumb down the thread for trumad.

[joeybee12]

6. Throw the lyin' cheatin' thievin' b******d behind bars! n/t

[Upton]

9. Aren't you wondering about David Ortiz?

Though Ortiz has never tested dirty that we know of, so he must be given the benefit of the doubt, something is going on. I also find it hard to believe that he knew nothing, as he claims, about Manny's use.

[Forkboy]

7. Call Anderson as a hostile witness.

Make him either testify against Bonds, perjure himself, or tell what he feels is the truth. He can pick one or more of those options when he's on the stand. He just better make sure it's the truth, whichever way he goes.

I would think a friend this dedicated would be eager to defend his buddy. No one can MAKE him testify against anyone if the facts aren't there to start with. So why the worry? If I had information that might exonerate a friend, I'd be eager to be called by prosecutors (and have been lol).

PS, extra points for using the word "lynching". I really wish you had the balls to just come and say you think Bonds haters are all racist instead of being a coward about it.

BTW, here's some real lynchings. Look at this real closely, Upton, so you realize what a fucking jackass you look like using the term in relation to an uber rich baseball superstar who can live anywhere he pleases, do anything he pleases, and be with anyone he pleases, and who has more money than the Mafia.

On of these these things is not like the other, but I'm not sure you can tell which one. Go tell these people that Bonds is being lynched.











Gee, I don't about you, but I can't tell any of those apart.....

Assface.

[joeybee12]

8. Anderson won't tell the truth...it's called honor among thieves...

...and there's no honor at all involved.

[cboy4]

12. Of course he would tell the truth. But he's not interested in getting caught

up in this charade.

He's standing on principle, deliberately not getting involved, to help a friend and I admire that.

[Forkboy]

18. Getting involved could exonerate his friend.

If I had a friend who had evidence, or even just his testimony and words, that could help clear me I sure wish they'd speak up instead of letting false attacks go unchallenged, especially by misguided or downright hostile prosecutors who are perpetuating a "charade", as you call it. That's a better example of sticking for a friend than what's he doing here. If this is your idea of friendship than I hope I never need you on my side of a lawsuit. :shrug:

[cboy4]

21. No, you wouldn't speak up if your friend told you to just pipe down.

There's always the chance a weaselly attorney could make Greg slip up and say something damaging -- even if it's unrelated specifically to the charges at hand.

Sometimes people are your most valuable and cherished friends when they don't talk so much.

It's not Greg's decision to help. It's Barry and his legal team's call.

[Upton]

10. Sensitive aren't we?

Next time before I post, I'll run it by you to see if it meets with your standards.

BTW, lynching is to execute without due process of law, there does not have to be a racial component involved...

[Forkboy]

17. What a sad excuse for a backpeddle that is.

:rofl:

BTW, lynching is to execute without due process of law, there does not have to be a racial component involved...

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly how you meant it after all the times you've tried to imply that Bonds "haters" are racist. Did you have to look that meaning up to cover your ass? What a chickenshit you are.

[madinmaryland]

20. You said "lynching is to execute without due process of law"

:wtf: WTF do you think "execute" means?? It does NOT mean to prosecute.

Re-read the thread posted up thread about what lynching look like.

Stop being an idiot.

[cboy4]

11. What's the point of calling him as a hostile witness? He's already said what

he's going to do.

It's a waste of time in what will go down as one of the most disgraceful and tax payer-wasteful indictments in recent memory.

Bonds is not even being tried for steroid use or violating any major league baseball rules.

It's best everyone with the government admit that Bonds is being made the principle .. the scapegoat, when there are more than 100 MLB players who actually tested positive for PEDs.

[Forkboy]

19. It can still be done.

It's a waste of time in what will go down as one of the most disgraceful and tax payer-wasteful indictments in recent memory.

Pretty much. The government should never have gotten involved in the first place, but they did, and here we are. IF Bonds lied to them once they were involved then no one made him do it. He chose that route himself.

Bonds is not even being tried for steroid use or violating any major league baseball rules.

You're right. It's for perjury. An actual crime, as opposed to baseball's rules, which aren't law of any kind. Perjury is though, and whether the government should have been involved at all is irrelevant now. IF Bonds lied it's a crime. End of story. Saying he didn't break baseball's rules doesn't matter as that's not what he's in trouble for.

It's best everyone with the government admit that Bonds is being made the principle .. the scapegoat, when there are more than 100 MLB players who actually tested positive for PEDs.

See above. It's not about doing steroids, it's about LYING about doing steroids. People keep trying to forget this (on both sides) and think it's just about the steroid use itself. It isn't. It's about perjury, and whether or not Bonds is guilty of that and that alone.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'm willing to bet if you or I perjured ourselves, or were even suspected of doing so, we'd be in the shit as well. Again, perjury is the only issue, not the steroid use itself.

[cboy4]

22. Okay let me ask you this one question. Do you really give a shit whether

someone lies to the grand jury about doing something they wouldn't be criminally charged with in and of itself?

I know I don't give a damn because those questions shouldn't have been asked to begin with.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

So isn't it true that the whole lying to the grand jury is an alternative sentencing crime of picking up trash along the highway for a couple of weekends, and certainly not this big ordeal in federal court that's breaking the back of taxpayers?

Be honest.

[Forkboy]

23. Perjury should concern us all, as it undermines the very foundation of our nation of laws.

Perjury is perjury, regardless of to what degree the lie reaches. And if someone asks a person a question all that person has to do is give a truthful answer. If they don't, and it can be proven, then you bet your ass I would want them punished. Not with jail time in most cases (and certainly not in this one), but yeah, I have no problem with people who are potentially guilty of something being charged with it. And that's what trials are for, to determine said guilt or not.

I know I don't give a damn because those questions shouldn't have been asked to begin with.

Irrelevant though. The fact is those questions WERE asked, and the prosecution believes his answers were not truthful. They have every right, and indeed an obligation, to persue that if they believe they have the evidence to do so. Saying certain questions shouldn't have been asked doesn't exonerate someone's perjury if those question do get asked and they choose to lie in response. Just because we don't agree with a question doesn't mean we can lie about it in our answer (at least in these kinds of circumstances..if you want to lie to mom or something that's between you and mom lol).

The concept of perjury should matter to you, regardless of which side of this particular case you're on. I wouldn't be giving a pass to Cam Neely for (potentially) lying in response to a question, even if I felt those questions shouldn't have been asked in the first place. If Neely lied, and it was proven, then fuck him. He gets what he deserves as no one made him lie except himself. Same for Bonds, or any other athlete, celebrity, politician, etc.

So isn't it true that the whole lying to the grand jury is an alternative sentencing crime of picking up trash along the highway for a couple of weekends, and certainly not this big ordeal in federal court that's breaking the back of taxpayers?

No, as I just explained. Perjury is perjury and should be prosecuted. What good are laws if we undermine them by lying to cover our asses, and then others turn a blind eye? :shrug:

And let's be honest, "breaking the backs of the taxpayers" is a bit much, no? Remember those wars and the economy? I don't think the millions spent by this prosecution would really make a dent, especially as the money would just be spent on another case anyways. It's not like any of that money was destined for the taxpayer to start with. If it had been, your point would be a solid one.

Bonds doesn't deserve any jail time for this, as I've said in the past. If he was convicted of perjury then the evidence would obviously be strong enough that his denials of steroid use wouldn't fly anymore with anyone except his most ardent supporters. History will be his sentence in that case, just as it's been for McGwire (ever see him anymore? I don't.), Sosa, etc.

And that's good enough for me.

[cboy4]

24. I just have a huge problem dragging someone before the grand jury

over something for which is wasn't arrested nor was going to be arrested.

And then the idiotic government didn't like Bonds answers of him saying he never knowingly took performance enhancing drugs.

And that was all they needed.

But it's all good. You can have your views obviously.

I will just be happy to get this over with on that happy day when Bonds walks out of the courthouse, with the prosecution following seconds later with their heads down.

[Forkboy]

25. I honestly do share that same problem.

But once they ARE dragged in front of one, it's incumbent on them to be honest at that point, or pay the price. This is now the question before us, whether we like it or not. If you or I got dragged into a Grand Jury, they wouldn't buy us lying just because we felt we shouldn't have been there in the first place, or that their questions weren't fair. We can't excuse ourselves from the law just because we don't like the situation we've been put it, or put ourselves in. And I doubt either of us could afford the defense team Bonds can, so we'd be up shit creek without a paddle most likely (and the Gray Bar Hotel is no fun).

It would have helped if Selig had a brain (I'm grasping here, I know), he could have grabbed this bull by the horns and tried to deal with it instead of acting like an ostrich and hoping the problem would solve itself. It was his complete and total inaction that made the government even take notice. If there's one guy who takes the blame for how bad the steroid issue has become, it's that useless shite. The fucker STILL hasn't done anything useful.

[cboy4]

26. Yea, without conceding Bonds lied, as I don't want to be misrepresented,

I don't obviously approve of lying to the grand jury (unless it's me and it helps get me out of trouble)....

But, well, like I've said a million times.

But we can prolly all agree about Selig. What an asshole.

[madinmaryland]

27. So you would lie to a grand jury if it would help you get out of trouble??

:wtf:

Welcome to a trip to the klink!

[cboy4]

28. Yea, just don't tell anyone.

[madinmaryland]

29. Enjoy your stay in a 6x8 room! Will upton be in the cell next to you?

[cboy4]

30. No. But the person who robbed you of your creativity will be instead.

Hope you don't mind.

[flvegan]

13. Fortunate/unfortunate fact of law:

A positive steroids test doesn't prove that Bonds knowingly took steroids.

It's my understanding that Bonds applied or had applied to him chemicals dictated by his trainer. To a professional athlete, your top trainer is much like your coach. You exercise, eat and supplement as he/she says.

Do I think Bonds is innocent of doping? Unlikely. Do I think Bonds lied to Congress? Probably. Will he be penalized for it? No. Has everyone wasted enough time and money on this stupid topic? Oh hell yeah.

[cboy4]

14. You mean a grand jury .. not congress.

But yea .. well said as always flvegan

[flvegan]

16. Correct, yeah sorry.

I meant grand jury.

[joeybee12]

15. I'll agree up until your last point...

...throw his lying ass in jail, take away his undeserved records, and heap scorn upon him for all eternity!