...the merits and failings of conversion therapy

[auntAgonist]

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/06/two_discussions_will_debate_re.html

[Starry Messenger]

1. Notice which one is charging money?

They should change "Love Won Out" to "Hate Pays Off" which is a big component they don't like to talk about. FOF is a scam.

[auntAgonist]

2. That's one of the things I notice and one of the reasons

I posted the picture. FOF is a scam. I agree. Years ago I'd have argued with you on that though. Funny how things change.

:hi:

aA

[Creideiki]

3. But they've got a beautiful campus in Colorado Springs

All part of the Prosperity Gospel: if you do "good" things, God will reward you with material success.

[Starry Messenger]

6. {{Shudder.}}

I can't imagine anything further from the aims of actual Christianity than the skulking horror that is FOF and their fellow travelers in the Dominionist movement. They are pure evil. (In my atheistic heathen opinion.)

[NMMNG]

4. There are no merits of "conversion therapy"

It's a sham perpetrated by bigots seeking $$$ and justification for their claims that gay people don't deserve rights because they can "change". Both the American Psychological Society and American Psychiatric society condemn it as ineffective and harmful, and indicate that sexual orientation is not changeable.

[TheWraith]

5. Took the words out of my mouth.

Not to mention, a lot of times it's done to teenagers, which in my mind qualifies as child abuse.

[auntAgonist]

7. I know that :)

[RetiredTrotskyite]

8. I have nothing but contempt

forexpose FOF. It's a big scam perpegtrated by bigots who would rather expose people to the dangers of conversion therapy (not least of which are self-hatred and an increased risk of suicide) rather than to admit that LGBTQs are natural variations in human sexuality. "By their fruits shall ye know them" and by that yardstick, they are compltely evil.

[XemaSab]

9. FOF's "culture" website is pure comedy

http://www.pluggedinonline.com/music/music/a0000878.cfm

Ned Flanders couldn't write it better.