It Burns Me Up

[ruggerson]

that this Pope, this evil monster, is trampling on the graves of gays and lesbians at Auschwitz today.

You won't see the MSM talk about this hypocrisy, because they conveniently ignore it. But his anti gay rhetoric and his endorsing bigotry did not occur when he was 14. It is occurring RIGHT NOW, on a daily basis.

I know that many good lay Catholics disagree with him, and my disgust is not aimed at invididual Catholics or their beliefs.

It is aimed at this bigot who, for the sake of public relations, demeans the memories of gays and lesbians.

He has no business being there.

[Taxloss]

1. It is a bit much.

Seems like there are many people who want to consider the Holocaust a purely religious affair.

And beyond homosexuals, Catholocism has a pretty bad record with Roma and other European Gypsies, who were similarly slaughtered.

[mrcheerful]

2. What did you expect from an ex hitler youth member? All the BS about him

being forced into the Hitler youth was just that BS. He was a nazi then and he's is still a nazi today, so he was bound to use nazi beliefs as soon as he got enough power. Remember even Hitler was seen as a progressive until he got into power.

[saltpoint]

3. ruggerson, no one should take issue with your empassioned stand

here on the lesbians and gays who fell under the backhand of tyranny and hatred during WWII, or in any other time and place for that matter.

I endorse your position by making a point to challenge, in public, to their faces, any man or woman (or institution) who clings to the unscientific and overtly cruel belief that men and women who are lesbians and gays are ethically transgressive (they are not), or "inherently disordered," to use the Church's exact phrase.

Does this German Pope have a responsibility to help lead a more enlightened movement toward equality for all, most definitely, and in sexual issues most specifically.

I posted as I did in the other thread to acknowledge what good I found in a German Pope not running from his nation's complicity in institutional anti-Semitism. Could his address have been a lot more to my liking? You bet.

But the man didn't phone me before he went there, so I'm left to do my part on the sidewalks and town meetings where I live. Which I suspect you do also, and are perhaps better at it than most of us.

I would acknowledge that in, you based solely on the clarity of purpose in your DU posts. You will have to take that compliment, as it is geuninely earned, and it bears saying-so in public in this thread.

[ruggerson]

6. Thanks, OC

And I do think if this were an even relatively enlightened Pope, that there would be far greater impact and symbolism to this event. Given who he is and what his actions have been, both as a Cardinal and a Pope, this event seems far more grandstanding than heartfelt conciliation and compassion.

[saltpoint]

8. I'm not in a position to rule that out about the grandstanding.

I can't know his exact motives.

I wasn't thrilled that he was selected by the college of cardinals, although in retrospect, it may have been the logical choice for that bunch, as you suggest.

The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for generally over the centuries, and specifically, it has a lot to answer for regarding what other people do with their penises and vaginas.

When the very first rumors of a John Kennedy-Marilyn Monroe tryst began to surface, my friend Erik and I were asked our opinions of a president who may be cheating on his wife with movie stars.

Erik's answer was the best: "If it's not my dick, it's none of my business."

Erik could turn the air blue sometimes with his choice of words, but style aside, that's not a bad policy. I wish the Catholic Church AND the Protestant churches would adopt it.

[William769]

4. This Pope is Pure evil.

[TechBear_Seattle]

5. What I find far more offensive...

Is that he was a Hitler Youth during WW II. He endorsed the "Final Solution." His being at Auchwitz is hypocricy at its worst.

[ruggerson]

7. I agree

but they will argue that he was forced to be a Hitler youth and he really didn't agree with Nazi policies.

There isn't a coherent argument, however, one can make against the hypocrisy concerning gay and lesbian holocaust victims, considering he campaigns against gays to this day, not just when he was 14.

[xchrom]

9. his{and the churches} postion is/will be

that pedophilia and gay are one and the same.

that way they can make gay folk the scapegoat for their own crimes of neglect and complicity.

they need gay folk right now and in a big bad way.

[swimmernsecretsea]

10. And you'll never see him mention the deaths of millions of LGBT people

He questions why the Holocaust occurred. Well, it could be because of ignorant attitudes such as yours.

Benedict XVI said "In a place like this words fail," he said. "In the end there can only be a dread silence, a silence which is a heartfelt cry to God: 'Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this'?

Good fucking question, Benedict. It's the same reason why I abandoned the Catholic Church in high school. Why did you remain silent and suppress prosecuting a pedophile, then speak up and talk about the evils of homosexuality?