Gay marriage is bad for society? Where's the evidence?

[Tyo]

Has anyone found any evidence that heterosexual marriage has been harmed or diminished in those countries that have marriage equality or comprehensive domestic partnership laws? If our tying the knot is as destructive to society as the anti-equality folks say it is then they should have amassed some supporting evidence by now.

[pinto]

1. Now there's a good point. Thanks for the post.

:thumbsup:

[MissWaverly]

2. It's about the money

they don't want to legalize these relationship because then they would have to pay out
survivor benefits to more people, the wealthy elite have a habit of holding on to all the
money, hence the continual parade of illegals who work w/o benefits and no health care.

[nofurylike]

4. good point. here's an irony: it would cost hugely to create

another structure for civil unions, versus there being a structure already existing for marriage.

they won't even LOOK at other costs of blocking our equal right to marry. eg., to point out that being married increases life-expectancy doesn't actually help convince people who HOPE we WILL die young.

and so on

[MissWaverly]

6. they are stupid, you either pay up or go for broke at the end

If they would promote gay unions then more people would be covered under their partners
health plans and the STATE=US taxpayers) would not be shouldering burden
for health care costs for them. What's cheaper allowing civil unions and pension benefits
or letting the taxpayer foot the cost for care. What they are trying to do, is let the
corporations shoulder the cost of everything onto to the taxpayers. Penny wise, pound
foolish.

[nofurylike]

11. exactly. thing is, they really know that about the cost analyses. it

is what exposes that their real objectives are born of bigotry and domination.

(must be off now. back late to check through.)


peace!

[MissWaverly]

12. No, see the bottom line is they work to create an inferior

attitude that makes you ashamed to ask for the money or benefits you earned and when you
die they hope to glom them up if you are single. They are always try to con people into
believing that don't deserve what they are entitled to. They have been trying that on us
Baby Boomers for years, that we are selfish and greedy, that we have no right to our
entitlements (ssn), I say baloney, they raised social security when we were young to pay
for our retirement, Bush is spending every dollar he can get his hands on to build
expensive bases, embassy in Iraq the size of Vatican City, baloney, they can just find the
money for us.

[Smarmie Doofus]

17. Maybe it just SEEMS longer.

>>>to point out that being married increases life-expectancy doesn't actually help convince people who HOPE we WILL die young.

and so on>>>>

[poverlay]

7. It's about the bigotry and fear too. n/t

[MissWaverly]

9. yes, but that's the smoke screen for greed

the corporations using their puppets on right wing radio to energize their base, but that is
why they do it, (esp. since we are finding out that many of these haters are also gay
themselves or employ gays)

[nofurylike]

15. it's a good point. it is true that greed is a major factor.

still, even that is about power over others.


supremacism and phobia are real and are also major factors.


peace!

[nofurylike]

3. good question, Tyo! evidence it is NOT harmful, here in mass! nt

[caseycoon]

5. NO WAY!

I'm a straight female married for 25 years & my personal belief is that same sex marriage should be legal in all states. How could it possibly hurt me? In truth, I think it would be of benefit to society in general. As it is a whole segment of our society is NOT being treated equally. Discrimination is a terrible thing to have to live with. I hate that for anyone. EQUALITY for all is the best way to have a productive society, IMO. (I can't type)

[nofurylike]

8. well said!! i know you weren't replying to me, but that just burst

out of me.

it really is just that simple. good teacher, you.


peace!

[kestrel91316]

10. (waiting to hear evidence) (crickets chirping)

[nofurylike]

18. i love that post! :) eom

[Nay]

13. Evidence? They don't need no steenkin' evidence.

It has always been about brandishing their power.

[nealmhughes]

14. Why the next thing you know they will be wanting to vote! Do you

want your precious little white girl sitting beside... Oh wait, that was the racist anti-desegregation argument. Hmmm. Can't think of any reason why it would. Could marriage be in any lower esteem in contemporary culture in the US? It is easier to get married and divorced in this country than to renew a drivers license.

[NMMNG]

16. They have no evidence

Only their statements that it is, which they trumpet over and over, as if that is evidence in and of itself.

[terrya]

19. Massachusetts has had same-sex marriage for over 2 years.

Which is enough time to determine that...nothing has changed. Millions of hetero marriages haven't been destroyed, society hasn't crumbled, etc, blah blah blah, etc.

There isn't any evidence for the alleged harm that our marriages would cause because our marriages WON'T harm heterosexual marriage...or anything else.

[sui generis]

20. It's just another baseless assertion they make

In their myopic little worlds, every problem has one and only one cause. In fact all problems have the same cause. There is war and poverty and crime and ass acne because gays exist.

The "marriage" debate is just code for decrying our existence altogether.

The abstract of gayness and the marriage of people you don't know and can't see have as much impact on anything in the world as pink unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters do.

It's as silly for them to say that as saying that people who don't like brocolli are destructive to society.

[goddess40]

21. same reason's that mixed race or religions marriages would

oops that didn't happen, I guess there isn't any reason except bigotry.