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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:13 AM
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Gay Marriage in Israel: Worse than Holocaust
From the Radical Religious Right site, LifeSiteNews.com:

Gay 'Marriage' in Israel: Worse than Holocaust - Will Cause Terrorism Warns Rabbi Levin

Says "far worse to allow the homosexualization of the Holy Land than to give back land to the Arabs"

In an interview today, LifeSiteNews.com spoke with Rabbi Yehuda Levin, the Special Emissary to Israel for The Union of Orthodox Rabbis of the United States and Canada and The Rabbinical Alliance of America, about the Israeli' High Court of Justice's ruling today that homosexual couples married abroad will be registered as married couples in Israel.

Rabbi Levin recently returned from Jerusalem, where he represented over 1,000 Rabbis in a coalition of Christians, Jews, and Muslims who successfully stopped a homosexual WorldPride parade from taking place in the Holy City. He drew a link between the movement behind the parade and the 'marriage' decision. "My first reaction is 'I told you so, I warned you, I said this wasn't about a parade, it wasn't about an international convention, it was about the homosexualization of the Holy Land and by extension the Middle East," he said.

<snip>

Rabbi Levin stressed the severity of the situation saying: "There is something worse than taking an innocent person and exterminating them in this world, and that is when you take a person and exterminate him in this world and in the next world. You do that by bringing him into licentious sin. That way you are killing him, as our Rabbis taught in the Talmud over two millennia ago, you kill the person in this world and in the next world by bringing him into licentious sin whether its adultery, or other perversion or homosexuality, sexual sin. That is worse than killing."

<snip>

Rabbi Levin told LifeSiteNews.com that he has been working with Christians and even Muslims on the issue in Israel. "Because of the threat of worldwide homosexualization of the world," he said, "it is imperative that forces of faith across religious boundaries, that devout Catholics, Evangelicals, Jews and even Muslims, work together in as broad a coalition as possible to protect God's standards."

<snip>

"If people of faith are serious enough then there's a hope to stem the tide of immorality," Rabbi Levin told LifeSiteNews.com. "But if we turn the other cheek to this evil, then we will all suffer worldwide. Because as the holy land goes, so by extension, will other areas of the world go. It will incur God's wrath."

<snip>

More hate:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/nov/06112107.html

And people take issue with the idea that "organized religion encourages hatred of gays"?

And people think we're overreacting due to some imaginary victim complex?

*sigh*
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:20 AM
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1. What the hell...?
What a horrible thing to say! :mad: What is wrong with people? Seriously. In the last few days here, I'm having some serious issues with humanity.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:26 AM
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2. You and me both, bliss.
Just when I think I can't be any more stunned by the depth of hate (and the even greater depth of denial), I'm always proved mistaken. :(
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:51 AM
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8. Check your pm's...
A little holiday message for you. :hi:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:29 AM
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3. holy jewish jihad, batman!!!
that guy has really got his ''culture war'' on!

he's got his hand firmly fixed on the genitals of his followers and he's terrified someone else is going make him lose his grip.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:35 AM
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5. The scariest thing...
...is that this is no different from the bleatings of the AFA and all the other American organizations formed solely to attack us. (In fact, it's not even as bad as a lot of the anti-gay hate speech spewed by the RRR.)

And Levin can talk all he wants in supposedly metaphorical terms, but I don't think he's being metaphorical at all. :scared:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:39 AM
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7. oh it's as bad -- he says we are going to
snuff them out in the after life.

that is horrifying -- and HE{cause he knows he's lying} won't do the killing -- but some poor paranoid sick bastard terrified of losing his soul will.
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spillthebeans Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:33 AM
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4. So Hamas is going to send Gay Arabs instead of living bombs
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:38 AM
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6. "link" to Worldpride? yeah, israelis were so humiliated
by the acts of those viciously, violently bigoted fascists, that they had to really face up to the vileness of homophobia.

rushing through. thank you for the good news about marriage and israel, though, Sapphocrat! YAY!!


peace and solidarity, always!!
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 07:07 AM
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9. Helluva way to fight terrorism.
Find common ground-something we can all agree on.
Let's all gang up and hate the queers.

Being forced to live next to a gay couple is worse than six million dead people?
Oh how awful!

What I find most stunning in that he says it as a rabbi, rather than just another sad human with an under developed rationality.
Somehow I expected more of a religious leader who is neither muslim nor Christian.

Infections xenophobia is supposed to unite the world.
Makes me wish there were an afterlife so this man could get a little slapping around by his "creator."
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 02:06 PM
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17. As a Jew, I can tell you that when it comes to craziness...
Orthodox Jews take no back seat to any other fanatic religious nuts in this world. I remember, when I was a kid on Long Island, the orthodox Jews would barricade the streets in the neighbrhood where they lived so no cars or bicycles could use them on Saturday.

--IMM
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ccorces1 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 02:31 PM
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46. Agreed
I grew up attending a reform synaogue across the street from an Orthodox shul. I very clearly remember hearing the Orthodox children being told to not even walk in front of our synaogue and to cross the street at the other corner so they wouldn't have to see us committing the crimes of driving to services during Shabbat and whatnot.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 07:14 AM
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10. What a prick.
Now let me think of something bad to say about the guy. :eyes:

In all seriousness, how fuckin' disgusting. Really.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 07:20 AM
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11. Not ALL organized religion encourages hatred of gays
Edited on Thu Nov-23-06 07:21 AM by IanDB1
There are the Gaynitarians, Church of Homotology, and the Lesbyterians.

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Malidictus Maximus Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 12:53 PM
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29. I don't belong to ANY organized religion
I'm an Episcopalian :-)
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:12 AM
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43. I'm going to have to steal that from you.
That's awesome!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 07:42 AM
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12. Intermarriage with a non-Jew used to be worse than the Holocaust.
Sounds like there's a new bogeyman in town . . .
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Vorta Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 09:14 PM
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38. Now its over 50%. That might be what's really upsetting him.
Falwell has demonstrated that you can build a pretty big community of faith on hate. I don't think it will work in the Jewish community, for a variety of reasons.
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Crim_n al Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 08:38 AM
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13. "Worldwide homosexualization of the world" ...
is exactly what this world needs.

It's a pity really it won't ever happen that such a loving, peaceful change could reduce the world's population to sustainable levels.

The fact is, people don't choose an orientation. All you can choose is whether or not to live in accord with your orientation, or whether you have to fuck up your own life and those of people around you by trying to be something you're not. So homosexuality can't spread. The only thing that an spread is the freedom to be oneself. And that is what evil authoritarian bigots who have never dared live true to themselves can't bear.

It's my belief that god is love, and that all love is a form of god, and should be treated with reverence, whether or not the love in question is procreative.
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jpwhite Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 08:41 AM
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14. there they go again
It's always people who take the holy scriptures too literally that end up preaching hate and violence. The only thing that allowing people who are gay to get married does is it gets rid of the discrimination against gays. If you treat one group of people one way, and you treat another group of people differently, it's discrimination. God is love. God is not some judgmental old guy sitting up in heaven (why is it people imagine God to be an old guy with a beard?) waiting for you to mess up. If you're not sure about this, why not go to a website that talks about how God really is (www.cwg.org). It deals with books written by Neale Donald Walsch.

James
jpwhite@okstatealumni.org

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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:50 PM
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15. the ultra orthodox
are just as bad as the religious right. No difference at all. A zealot is a zealot.
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StraightDope Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:03 PM
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16. It just goes to show you that religion is incidental...
Right-wing crazies are the same no matter what culture they come from.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 02:26 PM
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18. The religious fascists of any ilk always attack the "sexual sins" first.
Those are the most powerful and have the potential to be the most liberating. How ironic that a Rabbi would invoke the Holocaust to legitimize his homophobic bigotry. 500,00 to 1,000,000 gays, homosexuals, lesbians and other SEXUAL persons were also murdered by the third reich.

I am getting very very tired of the christian/jewish/muslim troika visiting their sexual inadequacies on the rest of us. Their gods-by any name-are shallow and self-serving. They have no power over me and I welcome their descent into myth.
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Vorta Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 05:41 PM
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19. This guy is a real treat
Something to offend everyone: http://www.jewsformorality.org/r_levin_speaker.htm

This is a very dangerous Rabbi. His going on like this means that either his mother and grandmother are dead, or he doesn't care what they think. I base this on several stories of Jewish fathers or rabbis doing the declaring dead thing on gay sons or loved ones, only to have the mother or grandmother tell the jerk to knock it off or she will make him wish he was dead.

Kudos to my dear friend from Brooklyn's father too. The rabbi started in on gay people, and Dad offered to lead all the parents of gay children to another temple. The rabbi apologized.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 09:17 PM
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20. What inner demons are tormenting Rabbi Levin?
Another reaction formation?

(oy vey, he would not be happy in my Reform Temple)....
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 10:09 PM
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21. There's no difference
between him and the right-wing Fundamentalist crackpots.

And, of course he believes the Jews are the only ones that have been persecuted over the ages.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:48 PM
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48. All fundies are alike
it is the one common bond that unites the wackos in these three religions, their hatred of women and LGBTs.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:21 PM
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22. Sadly, nutters come in all flavours n/t
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:35 PM
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23. I didn't know (pat) Marion Roberston
converted to Judaism and changed his name to Levin.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:57 PM
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24. W has spread his hatred of gays worldwide
What a bunch of BS.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 02:26 AM
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25. it's so sad to see the formerly "persecuted" turn into the persecutor
must be because they've had their way with the martyr routine for so damn long and for the large of amount of bloodshed they've caused with Palestinians ...this man is one evil stupid fucker.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 04:23 AM
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26. I wouldn't lay this at the feet of the group
So far as i've seen, Jews are probably hte most gay-tolerant of the big three.

However, Five bucks says this dude hides behind "anti-semitism" when someone comes out to call him crazy. Five more says we'll have people defending that claim.
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 06:39 AM
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27. Moderate jews all over the world
should decry the comments of this lunatic.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 06:52 AM
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28. Can we send Rabbi Yehudi-Fred Phelps over to him?
Looks like Fred is needed more in Israel than the g00d ol' USA.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 01:01 PM
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30. hey that's the kind of god I want to get behind
oops, let me rephrase that :blush:

WTF? So this is the battle between "good" and "evil"? It's pretty meaningless so far. Apparently, not only the devil, but even rabbis can quote scripture.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 02:44 PM
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31. Look at the history of the Holocaust and how it came to be.
Through out history there have been examples of sub-sets in society that have been labeled as dangerous to the common good and these have become convenient scape goats.

There is a pattern to all of this:

1.) There is a group that seeks power. Raw, naked, unbridled power. Let’s call them would be tyrants.

2.) The tyrants cloak themselves and hide their lust for power, under the guise of higher motivations. They give themselves noble aspirations in the public arena.

3.) The noble aspirations hide their true goal->the quest for power (pick one or more to sell to the public): Nationalism, security, morality, religiosity, family values, right vs. wrong.

4.) Unite the masses behind the noble sounding banner.

5.) Nothing unites the masses like a scape goat who is portrayed as a threat to the common good and the sought after values.

6.) Portray the scape goat as a threat to the commonly accepted values espoused by the tyrants ( historically jews, or blacks, more recently liberals, feminists,
gays or in some parts of the world Sunni’s, Shiites, Muslims vs. Christians, etc. etc)

7.) Create a false climate of fear and over blown, manufactured threat to the good of the society or the nation or the way of life of a group of people.

8.) Dehumanize the scape goats: Use third person abstract terms: the radical left, or
“ the radical homosexual agenda.”

9.) Make sure that when the scape goated group cries out for fairness that you depict that act of self defense and natural protection and out-rage at blatant injustice, as more proof of the scape goats “radical agenda” and threat to society and the nation.

10.) Utilize all of the power of the persuasive media at your disposal to constantly harangue about the forth coming threat from the so called “radical” object of your hate,
( right wing radio, conservative news outlets both print and television, create think tanks, promote radical right wing pro-tyrant celebrities who go on speaking tours, publish articles and books).

11.) Depict the scape goat group as immoral.

12.) Depict the scape goat group as disease ridden. (Recall how in Mein Kampf would be tyrant Adolph Hitler was fixated on Jews and syphilis? Recall how some groups claim that the object of their scorn or hate are “unclean”?)

13.) Attribute conspiracies and a behind the scenes power to the group that they don’t actually possess. Remember the “Jews run the world,” and “Jews run all of the banks”
and the “Jews caused us to lose WWI and undermined the father land and forced us to sign an unfavorable treaty at Versailles”? Now, recall some members of the radical right
that got air time after the Foley scandal and claimed that it was the work of the homosexual mafia? Recall the more recent radio broadcasts by a certain right wing hate monger who claimed that the radical homosexual agenda is the single most greatest threat to our country at this time, November 2006?

14.) Count on the masses as being too busy, too over worked, too preoccupied with their own lives, families and their own well being, to have the time, interest, or education to delve into your rhetoric in depth. Good people can be swayed by evil people with clever sound bites. Howe else did pre-world war two Germans fall for the promises and hate speech of the Nazi regime? How else would devoutly religious, to the point of superstition, Russian working people and peasants accept the rule of a atheistic totalitarian leaders? How else would a good and basically fair nation of diverse immigrants accept with-out question the post civil war, post-emancipation proclamation,
concept of racial segregation and miscegenation laws?

15.) Portray the scape goats as a threat to the innocent and “helpless”: women and children. The leering Jew as a threat to Aryan women? The hyper-sexual black male as a threat to white women? Conflating gays with pedophiles, ex. The Mark Foley nightmare, where radical right wing tyrants continuously misinformed people on TV that Foley was a threat to pages because he was gay. As if, had Foley been hitting on 16 year old female pages THAT would have been acceptable? Of course not.

16.) Enlist the power of big organizations to support you. The church is always a good one, since most Americans are church goers, you have a ready made once a week bully pulpit.

17.) Rely on fake science and junk science reported by advocates and often times paid, supporters of the would be tyrants. For example: There is no global warming.
Gays are not suitable to raise children.

18.) Rely on non-reasoned sources that cannot be debated because they are as they are. Usually the “good book.” The big three all have one, the Torah, the Quaran and the New Testament.

19.) Quote the Good Book selectively. Leave out the parts in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that support stoning divorced couples who remarry or slavery.

20.) Mobilize fake out rage on a mass level in protest of the allegedly up coming
revolution by the feared and hated group at interest. Nuremberg rallies. Anti-choice rallies. Anti-fairness to gay rallies.


21.) Use 1-20 to distract the masses from real and dire issues: the assault on the middle class, the lack of affordable health insurance for families, the collapsing polar ice caps, the mess in Iraq, the development of nukes by N. Korea and Iran, fail to analyze why the nuclear family and most marriages are in trouble from with-in (divorce) and not from gays. In fact, blame “those gays” for the problems of today’s families.
...............

http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/christian_groups_seek_wal_mart_boycott/

Conservative Christian organizations are contacting supporters to urge a Thanksgiving weekend boycott of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. because the company is paying a commission to a small gay organization for sending buyers its way
..............
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/is-a-gay-republican-purge_b_31681.html

On October 9, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins wrote in FRC's newsletter : "Has the social agenda of the GOP been stalled by homosexual members and or staffers? When we look over events of this Congress, we have to wonder." Perkins continued: "Does the party want to represent values voters or Mark Foley and friends?" Though a portrait of openly gay former House Clerk Jeff Trandahl appeared beside Perkins's missive, Perkins stopped just short of calling for a purge of gay GOP staffers.
..........................

http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/blog/2006/02/13/anti-semitic-cartoons-under-hitlers-third-reich/

Throughout recorded history, the differences that Jewish people have had with their non-Jewish neighbors has led to difficult, and unfortunately, separate lives. Because of an imposed segregation from their non-Jewish neighbors, the Jews became the victims of suspicion, intolerance, and discrimination. Hatreds intensified inaccurate and distorted rhetoric, and produced vicious strains of anti-Semitism whose origins have been traced back to the ancient world.
.....................
http://www.rotten.com/library/imagery/propaganda/racist-propaganda/

After Pearl Harbor, the U.S. arrested thousands of ethnic Japanese, seized their property and placed them in internment camps. Although U.S. history was rife with racism of every stripe, the outpouring of hate toward the Japanese after the Pearl Harbor was unique for its sudden onset and its official sanction.

............






Hatred and bigotry are corrosive. They seep in through the cracks and fissures of society where there is poverty and affluence, because there is something either to fear or protect.

It seeps in where there is ignorance and fear, where there is moral certitude and over blown self-righteousness.

It seeps in where there judgmentalism and a sense of superiority, where narrow mindedness and discrimination close off the mind and heart to the words of the “other.”

It is a truly divisive and pernicious state for a nation.

It is not accepting it is rejecting.

It is not fair it is selfish.

It is not compassionate it is cruel.

It is not supportive it is destructive.

It is not kind it is callous.

It begins with small attacks and skirmishes and eventually, if left unchecked, blossoms into full blown virulent hatred. Witch hunts. Congressional investigations (McCarthyism). Mob action ( lynchings, krystal nacht). Dehumanization of one part of society occurs when your fellow man is now seen as an enemy, a liar, and a subversive threat to your way of life.

Victims of hatred are made to feel ashamed, ostracized and rights are curtailed, removed or denied.

Woe be to a society that gives way to such ideas and attitudes. History has not treated them kindly.

Woe be to a group that has experienced the collective hatred of bigotry and discrimination and who now hides behind convenient excuses from select readings of from religious tomes and who now fail to step up and fight for the human rights of the new scape goats.

Those who foolishly seek power by riding the back of a tiger often end up inside.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 03:10 PM
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32. this jerk represents israel's dark side
An intolerant religous minority that for the last 6 years or so has dominated the nation's political scene by screaming louder and longer than anybody else, threatening to transform the country into the extremist totalitarian society they claim to be fighting against.

Now, why does that description sound familiar? Hmmm......
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 03:51 AM
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39. There is a pattern here-fundamentalists from
the big three, those who can agree on very little, seem blissfully happy to unite against a common scape goat: gay people.

Of course, speaking from the source of the Book makes them infallible and thus affords them great poltical power.

Look, how ironic, we we have rendered to Ceasar that which is the Lords.

Faith and politics are anti-freedom and anti-democracy.

Think about it: can the layity vote out the Papa?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 12:36 PM
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40. sounds like this country
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evilgenius602 Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 04:18 PM
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33. fundamentalist, n:
one in whom something if fundamentally wrong, usually a lack or reasoning ability and a vicious intolerance for those not sharing the fundamentalists' delusions. Thus, fundamentalists are particularly intolerant of those able to draw obvious cocnclusions from observed facts, those that refuse to seek shelter in comforting falsehoods and those who wish to lead their own lives.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 04:50 PM
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34. Perhaps there wouldn't even be a war in the Middle east
if religious extremists were deprived of THEIR rights.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 05:16 PM
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35. All I've got to say about this:
I bartended in Brooklyn for about 8 years. Guess how many closeted, Hasidim I served over the years?

Many.

Carry on...
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:57 PM
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36. That is one sick Jew -- I hate to say it, but I'm sorry I have to admit I was raised a Jew when...
I realize that so many of them do NOT represent what I think at all.

This person is no better than the Ku Klux Klan members who ran rampant over Florida when I was growing up.

I hope the real tolerant God (if there is such a thing) strikes him dead very soon. Maybe that a confusing sentence, but that what I feel right now.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 08:24 PM
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37. There's nothing wrong with being raised a jew. The problem is when some people are also raised...
...assholes. And for all I know, he may not even have been raised an asshole. He could be a self-made man. :)

Seriously, tho, I do get a chuckle out of imagining how someone could say with a straight face: "At least all the Nazis did was try to exterminate us. These gays want to hold hands, get married, make love, raise families, and get hospital visitation rights... those sickos!"

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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 07:00 PM
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41. Say What? Holy Sh*t!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 01:45 AM
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42. Good Lord! A jew saying homosexuality is worse than the holocaust!
I'm a better Jew than he is and I'm only half Jewish via my paternal line.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:55 PM
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44. Exactly
It's not "some christians" or "some jews" or "some muslims." The bigotry and hatred are enshrined within and endemic among massive numbers of practitioners worldwide.

I'm getting awfully close to refusing to trust those who claim to be religious. They have always, in my experience, been the least worthy of trust- and I certainly don't even feel physically safe among them.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and this time, I'll include the other two religions: that symbol around your neck, be it a star, crescent, or ESPECIALLY a cross, means to me that I am not not NOT safe in your company, and that my very life may be in danger.

Now, what happens when you kick a dog one too many times?
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 03:38 AM
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49. That's really sad. I'm sorry you've had those experiences.
I wish you didn't have to have that fear, and I wish that you were still open to seeing that there are also religious folks who will protect your safety and support your freedom not despite their religion, but because of it. It's understandable, though, if your only experience with religious folk has been painful and negative. The result of prejudice ends up being more prejudice - it's only natural, but it's still terribly sad.





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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 03:27 PM
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45. last I recall nearly a million of us died in concentration camps too
And some of us were both jewish and gay. Or jewish and liberal. Or gay and german.

how quickly these "never forget" people forget.

Yeah, here's what I have to say:

What a groovy god you've got there. What an asshole he must be to make his creations live in fear of his "wrath" for allowing someone else to exist.

And even better for only talking to a few holy prophets whom we must not criticize or draw cartoons of lest idiots start randomly killing each other again; because who are we to dare question the second and third hand word of "god"?

:shrug:

No I don't think we have "victim" complex at all. Not any more. So if some rabbis think we should be quivering in fear, remember dear rabbis that we're in the armies too but you can't ask and we won't tell.

Don't piss us off.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 04:40 PM
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47. This is nothing but pure hate filled evil.
I never thought there could be a worse person on Earth than Fred Phelps. Well, guess what? There now is.

Does this ASSHOLE realize that gay men and lesbians were part of the Holocaust??!!???

This...I don't know. Shameful doesn't even begin to describe a Rabbi, a Jewish man, spreading this filth.
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