Was I "too sensitive"?

[undergroundpanther]

I go to a program that does stuff like case management, counseling etc.There are a few queers besides me there, we are a minority.But we are out and things for the most part are safe for us there.

Anyway they had a party thing tonight. I went. On the ride in the van a guy sat behind me I don't know well,he comes to the program but I never talk to him much. Tonight of all nights he started talking shit,he was complaining to the guy I do know who was sitting beside him.This bigot was complaining about the gay contingent at the program.( clients and including some staff),He was saying those fags this, those fags that. After a few times of him saying "those fags" and how he wished we'd all just not be out,and that we should be excluded etc. I got pissed off.

I was sitting in the seat in front of his seat. I spun around in my seat and I said Hey,YOU,Bigot asshole, I'm transgendered and queer and I will not go back into the closet because YOU are a bigoted neurotic asshole 'K .Then he shut up.For awhile..Than he started complaining how badly people stigmatize him, for being mentally ill.Than he said some more shit about us fags and how horrible we are and how we are so sick etc..

I whipped around in my seat again.I pointed my finger at his scrawny chest, the guy who knew me, knowing I don't take shit, just moved aside, I said to the little ass, what? *poke* Bigot boy don't like being stigmatized? boo hoo hoo..*poke* Well you fucking nut try this:Stop stigmatizing me and other gay people and get over it,no one is going back in the closet because YOU are a neurotic bigot,maybe you might not be seen as an asshole crazy person if you'd quit being so bigoted.

Than he had the AUDACITY to say to me said he wasn't a bigot.He toned down his hate and said he just wished gays were not so in his face..He said fags like Elton John can get away with it being rich...I shot back.. Who is in your face at the program? Nobody bothers you..? I see no gays at the program coming near you or asking you out or anything like that so what's your fucking problem with us? That we don't HIDE for you? That we don't pretend we are straight for you? *poke*.

I think every gay person has a right to be who they are,and not be hindered by stupid bigots like you.
Because I know and you know you are so self serving in your abject stupidity,and bigoted bullshit let me put this issue another way,

Hey boy,(fake southern accent)if you don't like being stigmatized against for having a mental disorder, why don't you stop being mentally ill than? Get over it and shut the fuck up about your damn symptoms,act normal,and make damn sure nobody knows you have a psych history than,keep it in and hide it,go in your own damn closet you crazy fuck..And SHUT UP.

(the guy sitting next to him and the lady next to me stifled a giggle)

And the last thing I said in a low growling tone was..let me make this clear for you, pathetic little turd ,if you keep on talking that homophobic trash at the program,I will make it very unpleasant for you to be there. And I'll say it now,I will hunt you down and curb stomp your ass if ANYONE in the program gets gay bashed because of your running off at your fucking bigoted mouth...OK? So watch it.*poke* Got it?? *poke* Good. Now shut the FUCK up about gays.You have been warned. Grow the fuck up and get over yourself NOW.(he was scrunched up in the corner of his seat and I was leaning halfway out of mine by time I had said my piece)

He was quiet the rest of the ride.
He stayed far across the room from our queer table during the party too.Thankfully after I arrived and after it was over nobody pulled me aside to say anything to me about me letting him have it in the van.

I get so fucking tired of bigots,and if he uses his illness as an excuse for his fucking bigotry twords us(the gays and trans-people in the program or in general) not only I will call him on it I will humiliate him ruthlessly too .Because he's a homophobic santorum soaked piece of shit talking out his asshole that's why.
GGGrRRrrrroooooowwwllll....

So..Pissed....off...tonight...

[DarkTirade]

1. Well, you had better self control than I probably would have...

:evilgrin:

[DCKit]

3. And hit all the right points.

I'd have punched him in the head and called it "therapy".

[undergroundpanther]

6. That..

made me laugh..I think that's what I will call it...therapeutic rehabilitation and fisted intervention for bigots..Wish I could charge him 100 bucks an hour for my "therapeutic skills" too. LOL.

[DarkTirade]

19. Therapy for him or for you?

:P

[undergroundpanther]

4. It's really hard

to punch someone soundly in the chops sitting in the second to last seat in a tightly packed van without nailing someone else unintentionally.There was very little room in there to manuever.
And all the people around me were cool people so I didn't want them getting a bloody nose from my elbow or something.

[Ian David]

2. I think you were spot-on.

Make sure you get a kickback from his therapist for the extra sessions he'll need, though.

Not that this is a bad thing.

[Chovexani]

5. I'd have gone matron mother on his ass

But you know me. :)

[undergroundpanther]

7. Next time

I'll be waiting...

[DarkTirade]

18. Pixpls kthnxbi.

:P

[Chovexani]

22. ...

:spank:

[mitchtv]

8. what can I say?

:applause: :applause:

[galledgoblin]

9. good for you UP (n/t)

[Iggo]

10. Damn!

Good for you!

[Moloch]

11. No overreacting at all...

he got exactly what he deserved.

[WillParkinson]

12. Honestly?

I don't know. I don't know his situation. Is he actually mentally ill? Could his warped beliefs be part of his illness?

I can't really say if you were too hard on him because I don't "know" either one of you.

[undergroundpanther]

14. I know tons of mentally ill people

I have been in the system, done advocacy, for years and bigots are not common among the mentally ill as you may think ,the staff are actually more likely to hold homophobic beliefs than clients are.

Secondly homophobia is nothing but bigotry, it has nothing to do with mental illness,and ill or not,he has to learn to shut the fuck up with the bigot talk ,regardless.If he isn't held accountable for being a bigot because he's "sick" than how will he ever learn to live in the world? Because truthfully if he was never told how offensive his bigotry is and he shot off his mouth in the wrong place wrong time,he might be hurt far worse by people who have just had enough of that sort of shit .

So think about it, my warning could possibly save his ass if he chooses to let it stay a warning.Oh,and I also am not one to let bigotry and manipulation or other bullshit go unaccounted for,because someone is "mentally ill" .There is no reason why such bullshit need be tolerated,in humanity in general because homophobia is TOXIC to mental health and social sanity like all bigotries are.

There is a element of choice one makes in maintaining a bigotry twords a group of people in general.I for one don't stand by and let people around me act like bigots to people without saying something. I don't care what excuses they make to get away with it..Being an asshole bigot to people not being a threat to you is a choice,period.All assaults on people not bothering,harassing or threatening you or someone you care about personally is always a choice to be a bully asshole.You do not HAVE to say every fucked up thought in your head and try to get others to agree or tolerate it.Neither do the mentally ill.If and when they are in an acute stage,you can tell the difference..This guy was not in an acute condition or he would be in the hospital or drugged into a stupor and not going to the program.You have to be at a higher level of functioning to even go there.My diagnosis,He's an asshole..


For the record sociopathy is not a mental illness, it is a personality type. This is because sociopaths do not feel anxiety or remorse or the types of emotional torment associated with mental illness or psychiatric injuries.. Sociopaths are toxic to everyone around them ,the sociopath feels they can do no wrong and they are entitled to have thier asshole behaviors tolerated.There is no cure for it.No medicine helps it, no therapy or rehab. This is why sociopathy is NOT a mental illness.Mental illness can be helped through rehab,therapy or medications.Sociopathy is part of who the person is,Sociopathy is un-fixable like downs syndrome is un-fixable.,Sociopathy is un-curable in the nasty disgusting,toxic people who have it..The sociopath knows right from wrong but doesn't give a shit.

[ccharles000]

13. I feel so proud that you stood up for our community.

Once you yell back they know that you are not going to sit down and take their shit. Be safe.

[undergroundpanther]

15. The guy is a skinny little

ass-hat, I could have him in a fetal position whimpering on the ground in two punches or less .I am significantly bigger and stronger than him.

[ccharles000]

16. I hope nobody gets hurt.

Thank you I wish I had the courage to stand up for myself and my community like you did.:hug:

[undergroundpanther]

17. I hope so too

But if he chooses to go there...I'll make it memorable to say the least.

[sui generis]

20. yeh, you had a crazy there

Borderline Personality Disorder at the very least - and all that "come here / go away" need for attention of any kind.

He wanted it, he got it, toyota.

[qb]

25. I know you mean well, but I am sensitive about stigmatizing any mental illness as "crazy"

My friend with BPD (controlled) is a kind thoughtful person. The guy in the car is a homophobic asshole.

[sui generis]

27. figure of speech

things can be more than one thing at once. Just as we refer to ourselves as "gay" when we're not or as "queer" when we're perfectly ordinary; it's a gentle form of self (us humans) mockery.

Everything in context. Still having lived with coordinator for psych ER at the largest hospital in Dallas I also have greatest sensitivity towards REAL terminology.

Think about this: we used to say "stupid" when talking about someone who couldn't speak. We used to say "idiot" when referring to mental retardation. Now we say idiotic and it has nothing to do with stigmatizing the mentally challenged. We say stupid and it has nothing to do with stigmatizing speech impediment.

But when we say something is retarded, also referring to a logical choice, not a life situation, EVEN THOUGH no mentally challenged people are injured or even referred to, we still practice some kind of odd oversensitivity to terminology.

If we believe ourselves to be so sensitive, we should learn to more accurately evaluate intent itself, rather than miscontruing a symbol of intent. It makes us stronger in our core, and less subject to the whim of sticks and stones. It makes us able to determine if someone is offensive even though they are 100% politically correct and using all the right words.

And also remember among friends especially, the other half of offense is taking offense where none was offered. It's a pointless exercise.

[qb]

29. Point taken. Thanks. nt

[undergroundpanther]

28. I am mental myself

I have PSTD the worst kind apparently the complex pstd..and a few other labels. I stand up for the mentally ill too.All of us in the van had MI issues.I felt by comparing the mental illness stigma,to how it feels to be stigmatized for being gay that it might make a light dawn on marble head.
Anyway I have stood up many times.One gas station out here was selling high caffeine coffee and calling it morning shock treatment,I let the station owner know just how offensive that was to me,and to drive the point home I described to him the history and the violent horrible way shock treatments are done and described in detail what happens during such procedures before they gave patients muscle relaxants /anesthesia paralysis drugs so they wouldn't break their own bones during the seizure phase.. He looked absolutely pale when I was done talking and he changed the sign, it was gone the next day.

[Toasterlad]

30. Thank You For Protecting Us From Insensitive Gas Station Owners.

BTW, if you had poke-poke-poked ME in the chest, I would have punch-punch-punched you in the face, no matter what your argument was. I'm glad you stuck up for yourself, but you're not going to win any points from me through the use of physical intimidation, especially given the fact that, from your description, the bigot was not a physical threat to you. Try your poking on some 6'2 stud with massive biceps, and then get back to me.

Mmmmm...poking 6'2 stud...

[ksdemo]

21. Honey, in internter terms you just pwned him. PWNT!

^_^

[Falcon_Lights1916]

23. No. undergroundpanther

No, you weren't "too sensitive". I, too, am sick of bigots and their homophobic bullshit. Good for you! It's about time that someone called them on it--actually, it's PAST TIME!!

[LeftHander]

24. ::poke:::hehehe:::poke:::;

That rocked.

[qb]

26. Good for you. You called him out on his bad behavior.

Mental illness is no excuse for being hateful.