Boycotting of Yes on 8's starting to be effective

[ellius101]

Thought I'd start this thread to record the successes of the Yes on 8 boycotts. And also to inform anyone interested of any new leads anyone gets on Yes on 8 donors. They took away our civil rights, lets take away our $$$$!
1. Scott Eckern, California Musical Theatre's artistic director, resigned his post today
2. CEO of Marriott issued a statement yesterday that he did not donate to Prop 8. Guess he's realized there's a lot of gay $$$ floating around.

Please post any leads or any successes you hear of.

[GodlessBiker]

1. We should be asking large organizations to boycott CA for convenetions and the like.

[meegbear]

2. Steve Jobs would be a great start ...

but I don't think he'd do it.

[ellius101]

4. I thought Steve Jobs was a big "No on 8"?

I'm asking people to list Yes on 8 businesses.
For example, I just found out that El Pollo owner donated $6000 to Yes on 8.
I'll never eat there again.

[meegbear]

5. He is ...

I mean move MacWorld, WWDC, etc out of CA.

[Wabbajack_]

3. The whole state should not made to suffer

because of how 50-some % voted, that's preposterous.

[GodlessBiker]

7. Good people always suffer with boycotts, but that does not mean boycotts should not be used to ...

motivate change.

[Wabbajack_]

8. It should

Better methods should be used.

[GodlessBiker]

10. Boycotts of South Africa were effective, even though black South Africans were hurt...

during apartheid.

[ellius101]

14. Yup, sanctions against South Africa worked

I'm one who knows, Lived in Jo'burg for 23 years!

[TommyO]

31. What better way to punish the bigots who donated to support Prop 8

than to cut off their income, or at least a portion of it?

[yardwork]

12. South Carolina was boycotted because they insisted on flying the Confederate flag.

That boycott was effective. Eventually, South Carolina took the damn flag down from their state capitol building.

[Zuiderelle]

17. I disagree. Boycotting everything there will convince everyone that they need to try harder.

[donco6]

18. They did it in Colorado.

It worked pretty well.

[David__77]

6. The key is to immobilize them.

Most regular conservative folk don't want attention. And they will funnel their attention to less controversial causes.

[ellius101]

9. Adding Efax and El Pollo Loco

From other threads:

Efax owner donated $15,000
El Pollo loco owner donated $6,000

[Jane Austin]

11. I shared the El Pollo Loco news

with an email group I'm on, and a friend on that group from Davis wants to know where I heard it.

Is there a link to the info showing the owner donated to Yes on 8?

Thanks.

[FreeState]

13. Link

Here is a link to the database entry for Roland Spongberg from the state of California:

http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/?appSession=77648155442210

[Jane Austin]

15. Thanks!

A million!

[madmadmad]

27. remember, el pollo loco sells franchises, so evil dude only owns about 60

i found a list of them here:

http://soqueer.blogspot.com/2008/11/el-pollo-locoproposition-8.html

[Critters2]

47. But, if all El Pollo Locos are boycotted, other franchisees, and the corp

will put pressure the evil dude to change his ways. This is how boycotts work--pressure from all sides. So, all el Pollo Locos should be boycotted.

[MNBrewer]

16. Mark Madsen of the Minnesota Timberwolves gave $2500

[yardwork]

19. What a jerk.

[LisaM]

35. My lifelong hatred of the Minnesota Timberwolves continues to be justified

It began when the franchise started (they lied about taking Rick Mahorn from the Pistons) and while I am incensed he donated money, it gives me reason to keep my hate going. Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

[MinneapolisMatt]

50. Whaat?

FUCK HIM.

[ohm_moyh_gawd]

20. Small Business Owners who supported Yes on 8 (but no $$ donation on record)

There were very few Yes on 8 lawn signs in my neighborhood. One, however, is the owner of a 2-employee real estate/financial company who proudly displayed a Yes on 8 sign on his lawn. Is there a database to add names of business owners who supported Prop 8 with their vote, even though the public records do not indicate they gave money to the Yes on 8 campaign?

[Maat]

21. Take a look at that SFGate site.

Listed above.

Maybe you could send the site owner an email.

[bluedawg12]

23. Lionesspri has a list:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34247054004

[mitchtv]

22. Isn't Albertson's a mormon owned operation?

I Think I saw it on one of the many lists being posted. I do know they are from ID and are very bad to labor(reason enough).

[FreeState]

25. No, they are Lutheran - however they do not own it anymore either (its never been LDS owned)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertsons

New Albertsons, Inc., a subsidiary of Supervalu and the owner of the Albertsons brand, operating in Washington state, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Nevada, California, and Utah.

Albertsons LLC, a privately-owned company licensing the "Albertsons" brand from Supervalu, operating in the Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Florida.

[cboy4]

24. Leatherby Family Creamery .. Sacramento

"I'm frustrated by what's going on," said Dave Leatherby, owner of the Leatherby Family Creamery in Sacramento, commenting on the protests and court battles.

"Let's move on. I always told my children that once a rule was made, you have to abide by it. I think it should be the same in this circumstance."

Leatherby and his family donated about $20,000 for the passage of Proposition 8. A devout Catholic and father of 10, Leatherby supported the measure for religious reasons. He said his business has been targeted by bloggers as a result, and that he is particularly confused because his business has participated in the annual gay pride Rainbow Festival.

"It saddens me that all this is happening," he

[AlCzervik]

26. Too bad Dave.

maybe the yes on hate crowd should learn to respect the Constitution, even the parts that don't like so much.

Actions have consequences.

[Kerrytravelers]

28. He thinks marching in a parade or two somehow makes his vote for Prop h8 ok?

Typical. :eyes:

[davidinalameda]

29. fuck him as well

he shouldn't have voted to impose his religious beliefs on the rest of us

he can move on since his rights weren't taken away

[LeftyMom]

30. Anybody want to go leaflet outside, once it's warm enough that they actually have any business?

Man, I have a lot of childhood memories of that place. :(

[ellius101]

Gay $$$ getting their attention!

Now the Yes on 8's are wishing their donations had been kept from public! Interestingly I dont see the NO on 8's wanting to hide!
From todays LA times:

"Robert Hoehn was another person who made Karger's "dishonor roll." Hoehn, vice
president of the Carlsbad-based Hoehn Motors, gave $25,000 of his own money to
the Yes on 8 campaign in February. And he called what followed "a really, really
ugly experience."

Hoehn said that most of the campaign against him came before the vote, when he
received "dozens and dozens and dozens" of phone calls and his Honda dealership
was picketed. Since the proposition passed, he said, he has received a few
"vitriolic messages and phone calls."

Next time, he said, he will be "smarter" about how he gives such a donation,
possibly in a way that doesn't require listing his business. "I wouldn't not do
it because of fear," he said. "I am not ashamed of it, but it has been a very
educational experience."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-boycott14-2008nov14,0,7176761.story?page
=2

[RedLetterRev]

33. In other words

he'll still be a bigot, but he'll be sneakier about it.

Nice :eyes:

[KitchenWitch]

36. Great , sneakier bigots, just what we need.

x(

[mondo joe]

37. It's okay. He'll get sneakier, and we'll get better at uncovering bigots. NT

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[dipsydoodle]

34. I keep losing the plot with this

because in effect yes meant no.

For the benefit of anyone whose never seen it here's an old link from 2005 on the UK situation :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4493094.stm There may have been some changes since then - it's not something I follow closely so I honestly don't know.

[ellius101]

38. very interesting, thanks for posting.

[dipsydoodle]

39. You're most welcome

There was an interesting side issue which followed that. Two elderly sisters who were spinsters claimed a civil union because they had always lived together in the family home. They were worried that when one of them died the only way the other would be able to pay the death duties would be by sale of the house. It was found against them.

[AntiFascist]

40. Anyone notice...

there is a tv ad playing for Utah ski resorts?

[ellius101]

41. Targeted L.A. restaurant donates to group challenging Prop. 8

Employees of the Los Angeles restaurant that came under fire this week after a manager gave $100 to the campaign to ban same-sex marriage in California said they had made a $500 contribution to the advocacy group that is raising money to challenge Proposition 8.

The Thursday online donation to Equality California, an advocacy group for the gay and lesbian community, came at precisely 7:22:03 p.m., about 22 minutes into a planned demonstration outside the restaurant's doors for the second night in a row.


It will go toward our work, and our work includes working to overturn Proposition 8," said Ali Bay, a spokeswoman for Equality California. "We're working legislatively and through the courts to promote equality for the community."



http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-elcoyote15-2008nov15,0,6294928.story

[bluedawg12]

42. Looks like the gays have pissed off the power elite

who threw a lot of money at PHate8 to keep us in place.

When I see people throwing $300,000 to $1 million at a cause, it is more than a mere coincidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_elite

>>A power elite, in political and sociological theory, is a small group of people who control a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, and access to decision-making of global consequence. The term was coined by Charles Wright Mills in his 1956 book, The Power Elite. The Power Elite (1956) describes the relationship between political, military, and economic elite (people at the pinnacles of these three institutions), noting that these people share a common world view, 1) the "military metaphysic"- a military definition of reality, possess 2) "class identity"- recognizing themselves separate and superior to the rest of society, have 3) interchangeability: i.e. the move within and between the three institutional structures and hold interlocking directorates 4) cooptation/socialization: of prospective new members is done based on how well they "clone" themselves socially after such elite. Further these elite in the "big three" institutional orders have an "uneasy" alliance based upon their "community of interests" driven by the military metaphysic, which has transformed the economy into a 'permanent war economy'.<<

[bluedawg12]

45. Or maybe "Ruling Class" is a better descriptor of who donated so heavily

>>The term ruling class refers to the social class of a given society that decides upon and sets that society's political policy.

The ruling class is a particular sector of the upper class that adheres to quite specific circumstances: it has both the most material wealth and the most widespread influence over all the other classes, and it chooses to actively exercise that power to shape the direction of a locality, a country, and/or the world. Most of the upper class does not fit the fundamentals of this description, but some do.

Ruling classes tend to be looked at in a negative light because they are often viewed as having little respect or care about the rights of the inferior classes.<<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruling_class


The enormous amount of wealthy donors contributing large amounts of money ( $1 million dollars for a single cause???) is really remarkable.

Is it that the ruling class decided to keep gays suppressed and the churches were simply the organizational foot soldiers?

This was probably always business as usual for them but this time, the inter net has made it possible to blow their cover, as donor lists emerge.

Kinda makes one recall the whole vast right wing conspiracy idea. We have seen it in action before.

[mondo joe]

43. More Bizarro world thinking. The wealthy can piss on the rights of the ordinary and that's okay,

but when the ordinary use their small influence it's bad.

[bluedawg12]

44. There is a lot of irony here

I posted this on GD, just now, but it apllies here as well:

When people donate $1 million dollars and $300,000 like it's peanuts, you have to wonder what is the political significance of high financing such an initiative?

President Elect Obama collected small donor record amounts - a real grassroots movement.

Here we see a small group of donors funding record amounts.

The power elite speak to keep gays in their place- but why?

Defunct rw ideology needs some rallying cry?

Morm*ns gaining acceptance for a Mitten 2012 run and coalition building with other religious rw?

[ellius101]

49. bluedawg, imo you hit the nail on the head

I've been saying for a long time now that the mormon church is trying to legitamize itself with the religious right and set up romney for 2012. Its my belief he lost the primaries because people didnt trust him... firstly because he flip-flopped but mostly because he's a mormon. I looked at a lot of prop 8 supporters they donated to romneys campaign in the primary, but not to mccain in the general. I honestly dont think they wanted mccain in the white house because then it would have set up palin for 2012 and she's a big threat to romney. Plus the word was that after mccain lost, it was romneys people who spread the rumors about palin.

[GodlessBiker]

46. In Palm Springs, I heard (those in Palm Springs should check it out) that Aspen Mills Bakery...

...has been strongly targeted for boycott. The owner, who everyone has known to be a Mormon, not only donated a lot of $$$ but organized distribution of the YES ON 8 signs all over Palm Springs, with his kids replacing the ones that were stolen/vandalized. The bakery makes great sandwiches and several of the Palm Springs gay guest houses, including the Hacienda I think, uses them to provide lunch to guests. I suppose those in Palm Springs should speak with the guest houses to see if they will continue to use the bakery.

[ellius101]

48. Any idea who the owner is? nt

[mitchtv]

51. Also Alladin Supply on Ramon in Cathedral City

I don't know what they supply, but their name needs to be out there(donated as Alladin, no name.)$750