I love it!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

The catholic church preaches against me: Free speech and religious freedom

I speak against the catholic church: Bigot, No better than a freeper etc.

Priceless.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. What I love,

having been raised as a Roman Catholic - see proof below - is how a bunch of guys, never married, in dresses and funny hats and capes, think gays are REALLY, REALLY BAD.

Don't those queens own mirrors?

[Creideiki]

2. Is there a new instance?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4608987

[bluedawg12]

13. Thar OP doesn't seem to know much about Catholic attitudes

yet he seems intent on telling us how liberal most Catholics are and how rebellious against Rome.

Not exactly true:

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=15039

>>World: North America
Poll: US Catholic attitudes towards their Church

A Georgetown University poll shows that Catholicism is the religion chosen by most Americans. Younger generations tend to be believers, but less observant.
Sunday, April 13, 2008By Spero News


More than eight of out of ten Catholics are satisfied with the leadership of Pope Benedict XVI, according to a poll of Catholic adults in the United States.

More than seven out of ten are equally satisfied with the leadership of the U.S. bishops, a14-point jump, from 58 to 72 percent, since 2004.

The same poll found that among those who attend Mass at least once a month, Millennial Catholics (born after 1981) pursue religious practice with fervor akin to pre-Vatican II Catholic (born before 1943).

However, 36 percent of Millennial Catholics (2.7 million individuals) attend Mass at least once a month compared to 64 percent of pre-Vatican II Catholics (5.5 million individuals.)

The results are found in “Sacraments Today: Belief and Practice among U.S. Catholics,” a report from the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA). The Georgetown University-based researchers polled 1,007 self-identified adult Catholics in February 2008 and compared responses from pre-Vatican, Vatican II (born between 1943 and 1960), post-Vatican II (born between 1961-1981) and Millennial Catholics.

Data on the Millennial generation show young Mass-attending Catholics more akin to pre-Vatican Catholics in regard to religious beliefs as well as practices.

<snip>

Agreement with Church teachings is, again, often relatively high among the oldest Catholics, the pre-Vatican II generation. To a lesser extent this is also true of the Millennial generation, currently in their mid-20s and younger.

Agreement with Church teaching is typically lowest among the generation of Catholics who came of age during the changes associated with Vatican II and among post-Vatican <<

[unpossibles]

3. seriously

don't you know it's acceptable to have your "lifestyle" questioned, but should you question the very real actions of someone's religion, that just goes too far! </sarcasm?>

blech. If it helps, you're in good company. :D

[donco6]

5. Tell me about it, sheesh. Catholic bashing, my ass. n/t

[keepCAblue]

6. And don't ya LOVE the argument that Catholicism isn't a choice, but an immutable characteristic?

What planet are these people from?

[Creideiki]

7. Ever wonder why logic isn't part of the NCLB standards?

It's to help keep people like the hardcore religionists in power.

[Maven]

8. Amazing, isn't it?

[Maven]

9. Also, now, being gay or a woman who wants control of her body is a "pet issue"

and it is not required to support either to consider oneself a liberal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4616159&mesg_id=4616159

[Creideiki]

11. Some individuals drawing breath have definitely surrendered their humanity

Pity that.

[bluedawg12]

12. Or taking some moral high road they truly can't claim

as they didn't speak up back when something or other bothered them.

[bluedawg12]

10. I don't care for the style of those two threads

if they had a problem with anyone's position they should have addressed it at the time.

These are straw man arguments, for ex: "A lot of people here have said something I disagree with and now that they are no longer here, I will frame their POV for them, put words in their mouths for them and then attack it."

Huh?

Way too round about and kind of passive aggressive.