Dental amalgam fillings are largest source of mercury in sewers and major environment source of Hg

[philb]

Dental amalgam is the largest source of mercury in sewers and sewer sludge, and a major source in water bodies, fish, wildlife

www.flcv.com/damspr2f.html

(since people with amalgams have high mercury exposures and high daily excretion into the sewers, on average 10 times the amount of those without amalgams and the largest source of mercury exposure in most who have several amalgam fillings)
www.flcv.com/damspr1.html

Dental amalgam is also a significant source of mercury air emissions through crematoria and volitization from sewer sludge and sewer plants. In some countries this amounts to about 10% of mercury air emissions.
www.flcv.com/damspr2f.html

For these reasons, countries with modern medical systems uncontrolled by special interests have banned mercury in dental fillings and other commercial uses. Some states in the U.S. such as California, Massachussets, etc. require warnings by dentists who use amalgam for fillings. The FDA is currently having a hearing and being called on to phase out mercury in dentistry in the U.S. The FDA already has a warning about amalgam on their web site.

[whistle]

1. 303 million Americans with an average of six filling replacements in their lifetime

...potentially could send 2758 cubic yards of mercury amalgum down the drains. Why is there no regulatory laws requiring dentists accross the country to install systems which capture that toxic waste at the source, in their waste water systems and office environment?

http://www.deq.state.id.us/multimedia_assistance/dental_offices/hazwaste_mgmt_fs.pdf

[philb]

4. Some states require amalgam separators but special interests are powerful in the U.S.

Europe and Japan have mostly phased out use of mercury in dentistry, so don't have as much of this problem. But for those modern countries where amalgam can still be used, they at least mostly require amalgam separators in dental offices.

[Y B Gerbil]

14. Uhh, no

303 Megamericans with 6 fillings each is about 2 Gigafillings. The volume of a filling is only a few cubic mms (thats millimeters, not the candy that melts in your mouth, not in your hand). A cubic mm is a billionth of a cubic meter, so there is at most, say, 10 cubic meters of fillings in American mouths.

[Orrex]

20. Hey--welcome to DU!

I'm afraid that your logic and reason will have little impact here in the Health forum.

But welcome all the same!
:hi:

[philb]

23. My stuff is factual. Yours is gibberish as usual. Is the problem that you

don't know how to check the facts? or just like to play silly games?

Do you disagree with anything I've posted here? if so, what and on what basis?

Can you produce any credible expert who disagrees with anything I've posted here? Didn't think so. There doesn't exist one.

[varkam]

27. Lol!

Can you produce any credible expert who disagrees with anything I've posted here? Didn't think so. There doesn't exist one.

That's not actual how this whole "argument" thing works, phil. You see, first you have to make a sufficient case - something which in all your posts here, have yet to do.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

33. FDA:" Dental amalgams contain mercury, which may have neurotoxic effects on the nervous systems"

From the FDA's website:

3. What are the safety concerns about dental amalgam?
Dental amalgams contain mercury, which may have neurotoxic effects on the nervous systems of developing children and fetuses. When amalgam fillings are placed in teeth or removed from teeth, they release mercury vapor. Mercury vapor is also released during chewing. FDA’s rulemaking (described in question 7) will examine evidence concerning whether release of mercury vapor can cause health problems, including neurological disorders, in children and fetuses.

Since the 1990s, FDA and other government agencies (CDC, NIH) have reviewed the scientific literature looking for links between dental amalgams and health problems. In September 2006, an advisory panel to the FDA reviewed FDA’s research and heard presentations from the public about the benefits and risks of mercury and amalgam.

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/consumer/amalgams.html

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[WillYourVoteBCounted]

36. you have replied to wrong person

you won't get any reply from me regarding your comments to philb.

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[WillYourVoteBCounted]

40. #1 calling out a DUer is against rules, #2 you are making false accusation

why are you doing that?

Can't you argue the facts?

[varkam]

46. #1 I'm hardly calling philb out since he's participating in this thread.

#2 What accusation am I making? I am merely asking for you to tell me why that warning was posted.

Oh, and have you decided that the FDA is a reasonable source? If so, that seems to be a relatively recent change for you

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

38. when you don't have facts, you resort to false accusations

and you are very very wrong.

But if you don't have any facts to argue, then you resort to making
false accusations.

Its also called "hand waiving".

[varkam]

47. Speaking of false accusations...

what false accusations am I making, hm?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

39. the FDA says mercuri has: "neurotoxic effects on the nervous systems of developing children"

posting it because you want to distract people away from it.

Keep up the hand waiving, I can post more and more documented facts.

But you - all you can do is make personal attacks which are false by the way.

[varkam]

48. Are you done?

And again, I repeat my request that you tell me why that warning was posted on the FDA's website. And I believe the name of the compound is question is "mercury" and not "mercuri".

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[lizerdbits]

5. The cycle begins again!

I have posted thousands of peer reviewed studies!

[philb]

7. Mom's dental amalgam also largest source of mercury to the fetus & infants

dental amalgam largest source of mercury in most people with several amalgam fillings or metal crowns over amalgam, averaging about 30 micrograms per day into sewers for a person with several
www.flcvcom/damspr1.html

Mercury in fetus from Mom's blood usually higher than level in Mom's blood, crosses placenta, and accumulates in fetus, which has no developed defenses, and commonly causes long term adverse effects, including spontaneous abortions, birth defects, learning disabilities, IQ declines, etc.
www.flcv.com/fetaln.html

[trotsky]

10. Honestly, I'm really sick of the irresponsible SPAM you post in here.

You misuse statistics, misrepresent cause & effect, and deliberately (or ignorantly) obfuscate the real facts.

Thankfully you've been exposed enough on DU that no one takes you seriously.

[Liberal Veteran]

12. But post hoc, ergo propter hoc is so entertaining - for example.

Windows XP was released and less than 2 months later, I was diagnosed with AIDS. Therefore, Windows XP causes AIDS!!!!

[trotsky]

13. I heard Windows XP contains mercury.

So no wonder!!

[philb]

17. Bet you can't document one case of that

all my info is backed up by credible documentation from credible sources, including Gov't agencies, etc. Can you document one misrepresentation or exageration in my posts on this thread? Bet you can't.

[trotsky]

19. Absolutely!

And to document, I merely point to all your posting history. It's obvious to any neutral educated party, all you CAN do is misrepresent and exaggerate. You can't document a single case where I'm wrong. I have thousands of posts (by you) to back me up!

[philb]

26. Saying it doesn't make it so. What you say isn't accurate, and you can't document anything wrong

with anything I've posted here, since the sources are all U.S. government agencies, medical lab web sites, medical studies abstracted on the U.S. National Library of Medicine website, and such.

You have never found any thing I've posted with significant inaccuracy, though you have often claimed that you have with no facts to back you up.
Claims don't count if you have no credible evidence. I know you can't find any credible evidence that anything I've posted here is inaccurate.
Why do you bother to post if you have no credible evidence to back up your claims? I assume that those who frequent this site have figured out by now who cites credible evidience and who is blowing smoke.

[trotsky]

31. And you haven't even scratched the surface of the agencies, sites, studies,

and experts who DISAGREE with you and your chosen few individuals.

Sorry philb, pointing out your inaccuracies is like pointing out water molecules in Niagara Falls.

Why do you bother to post if you have no credible evidence to back up your claims?

That's EXACTLY what I've wondered about you this whole time! :rofl:

[varkam]

35. Rofl!

Philb got served. :rofl:

[Liberal Veteran]

11. Did your mom have a set of teeth made from amalgam?

[philb]

21. EPA and the Association of Municipal Sewer Agencies are the main source of my info

on the fact that the average person with several amalgams excretes on average about 30 micrograms of mercury per day into sewers, a huge level far above the toxic limits of EPA and the DOH Agency for Toxic Substances.
www.flcv.com/damspr2f.html
Do you disagree with them? On what basis?
But there have been millions of tests by medical labs, as documented on their websites, referenced in the above, that document the same thing, that those with amalgams excrete about 10 times per day more than those without.
This includes Moms.

And there is no credible expert who disagrees either with the above statistics, or that mercury is the most toxic substance people commonly come in contact, and that mercury can cause harm at the parts per billion level
(EPA standard for drinking water is 2 parts per billion)(similar for ASTDM standard, see the paper) (EPA scientists agree their standard is not stringent enough to prevent all harm)
The levels of people with amalgam are extremely above those levels.
But you will also note if you bother to read that 2 of my sources that agree with this and are quoted in the above are the U.S. DOH Agency for Toxic Substances and the World Health Organization. I could also quote the Canadian Health Agency and European ones.

[LeftishBrit]

16. Don't know about all that...

but reading posts from flcv.com can certainly cause IQ declines.

[philb]

24. flcv.com is one of the most respected and quoted web sites on the web

Its actually used by more than one organization, but all who share the site are credible and well respected.
Can you demonstrate to us anything questionable about any of information on that site?

But note that my main sources are the U.S. Federal Agencies(DOE and ASTDR) most responsible for mercury information. World Health Organization, several medical labs with URLs for the sources that I quoted, Health Canada, Association of Municipal Sewer Agencies, etc.
Are you suggesting that any of these sources that I quoted are not credible? or that there is any disagreement between them on these issues?

[dropkickpa]

43. Of course you think that, it's your site!!

And people quoting a website is a shite excuse for validity. I guarantee more people quote the Onion than flibertygibbet, does that mean what they post is factual?

[varkam]

49. I challenge you to back up your claim, philb.

flcv.com is one of the most respected and quoted web sites on the web

Oh yeah? Let's see some evidence that flcv.com is "one of the most respected and quoted sites on the web".

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Darn...guess I'll have to stop drinking sewer sludge.

:eyes:

[Celebration]

6. Do you eat fish? n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

9. No. But even if I did I wouldn't care.

Do you honestly believe that someone popping three antivirals a day gives a rat's ass about mercury toxicity from fish?

Oh, if only I could obsess over that.

[philb]

28. Frequent antibiotic or antiviral consumption is dangerous, but so is mercury- doc:

Mercury has been documented in the medical literature to commonly cause over 30 chronic health conditions, www.flcv.com/indexa.html
and documented in the medical literature that most who do mercury detox with any of these conditions, improve: www.flcv.com/hgremove.html
www.flcv.com/hgrecovp.html

Here is one of the medical studies in the above review paper documented that mercury commonly causes autoimmune conditions.

Mercury & autoimmune conditions: MS/Lupus/Thyroiditis/Eczema

The following National Library of Medicine abstracted article documents that most autoimmune conditions like Multiple Sclerosis (MS), Lupus (SLE), Thyroiditis, etc. are primarily caused by mercury from dental amalgam, and replacement of dental amalgam brings about cure or significant improvement in the majority of cases. This has similarly been demonstrated in other clinics and studies.

The beneficial effect of amalgam replacement on health in patients with autoimmunity. Prochazkova J, Sterzl I, Kucerova H, Bartova J, Stejskal VD; Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2004 Jun;25(3):211-8.
http://www.melisa.org/pdf/Mercury-and-autoimmunity.pdf

Results of lymphocyte reactivity measured with MELISA indicate that in vitro reactivity after the replacement of dental amalgam decreased significantly to inorganic mercury, silver, organic mercury and lead.
All 6 patients with MS showed significant improvement in health.

Out of 15 patients with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) 11 (73%) had improvement of health.

Out of 8 patients with autoimmune thyroiditis 6 showed significant improvement in health (75%).

5 patients undergoing amalgam replacement had atopic eczema for which other studies have found more diverse factors in autoimmunity causes. 3 out of 5 of these patients had significant improvement in condition (60%).
Of the patients that did not have evidence of significant improvement, most tested immune reactive to nickel and the autoimmunity measure was not improved at the end of the study. For those whose condition was worse, the autoimmunity measure for nickel was higher at the end of the study- indicating that amalgam replacement did not resolve the source of nickel exposure.

The mechanisms by which mercury causes autoimmune conditions like MS, SLE, autoimmune thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis, Parkinson’s, etc. is documented by hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and in thousands of people who have recovered after amalgam filling replacement and detoxification.
http://www.flcv.com/ms.html

[Liberal Veteran]

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[cosmik debris]

15. This is like the guy who won't stop telling the Brazilian joke.

That which was mildly amusing once, now appears as a sign of neurotically compulsive behavior.

[Orrex]

18. Hey! Are you calling me out?

If you have no love for the Brazillions joke, then you are dead to me.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[philb]

22. Medical lab studies that document what I posted, from their web sites, you guys can't read?

Or just prefer to spout off without even checking for what the facts are?

Doctors Data Inc.; Fecal Elements Test; P.O.Box 111, West Chicago, Illinois, 60186-0111; http://www.doctorsdata.com/repository.asp?id=43 ;
& Biospectron Lab, LMI, Lennart Mansson International AB, [e-mail]; http://home.swipnet.se/misac/research11.html#biospectrons

Another medical lab with similar info as well as documentation on the common adverse health effects caused by mercury is MELISA Labs www.melisa.org

[Orrex]

25. Well, here's another angle to consider:

George W. Bush was nearly done with his yearly physical--the real one, not the one that shows him to be an able-bodied and competent leader.

"Mr. President," said his physician, "I believe that we've determined why you're such an unbelievable idiot, and why you seem to become dumber with each passing year."

"I don't understand," said Bush.

"Exactly," the doctor agreed. "Because you've got mercury in your amalgam!"

Bush furrowed his brow in a reasonable approximation of deep thought. "But what does astrology have to do with it?"


That one's for you, cosmik debris!

[cosmik debris]

32. rofl!

:rofl:

[varkam]

29. Not this (your) crap again.

Self-referential links, misinterpreted science, and overblown conclusions masquerading as science. Then, anyone who doesn't agree with you, the best response you ever seem able to come up with is "Nuh-Uh! I've posted billions of studies!" I still remember the last time you came by and I smacked you down for having a terrible reference list including out-date-studies, incorrect references, and self-referential references (meaning references that you wrote and published on your website yourself that you use to support your own conclusions).

[RC]

30. So, what you are saying is dental amalgam with mercury dissolve,

and the person excretes more mercury than in is the fillings?

Humph. I have some Mercury fillings in my mouth that are at least 55 years old and they haven't dissolved yet. It is not in any way free mercury. In fact the mercury is chemically lock up in a compound, much like sodium and chloride in ordanary tabel salt.

[cosmik debris]

41. Who Ya gonna believe -- Harvard Med School or philb?

From Children's Hospital Boston, and Harvard Medical School

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16622139?dopt=Abstra...

CONCLUSIONS: In this study, there were no statistically significant differences in adverse neuropsychological or renal effects observed over the 5-year period in children whose caries were restored using dental amalgam or composite materials. Although it is possible that very small IQ effects cannot be ruled out, these findings suggest that the health effects of amalgam restorations in children need not be the basis of treatment decisions when choosing restorative dental materials.

From the Department of Dental Public Health Sciences, School of Dentistry, University of Washington, Seattle, WA

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16622140?dopt=Abstra...

CONCLUSIONS: In this study, children who received dental restorative treatment with amalgam did not, on average, have statistically significant differences in neurobehavioral assessments or in nerve conduction velocity when compared with children who received resin composite materials without amalgam. These findings, combined with the trend of higher treatment need later among those receiving composite, suggest that amalgam should remain a viable dental restorative option for children.

I realize facts will not change the opinion of the OP, but facts do deserve equal time.

[trotsky]

42. Hey, that helpful information came by way of 4MoronicYears, didn't it?

Very helpful, that guy is. Nice to know he's on the side of modern medicine and science.

[dropkickpa]

44. But see, they're biased!

Only those ambulance chasers who parasitize the ill and desperate are unbiased! I have links to my website to prove it!

[cosmik debris]

45. I'm sure philb will tell us how much smarter he is than those

dumb asses at Harvard Med School.

He'll probably tell us he could have gone to Harvard, but he didn't want to lower his standards.

:)

[Orrex]

50. I don't believe I've seen any of those Harvard Med Schoolers post 4,000 links here

And they've done next to zero copying-and-pasting.

So how smart can they be?

[cosmik debris]

51. They're not even smart enough to use Google

They still have to do real research before they publish their results.

:)