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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 05:58 AM
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Study Finds More Allergic Reactions After HPV Jab Compared To Other Vaccines
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN3146783220080901

Young women in Australia who got a vaccine to prevent cervical cancer were five to 20 times more likely to have a rare but severe allergic reaction than girls who got other vaccines in comparable school-based vaccination programs, researchers said on Monday. ...

The team of Australian researchers led by Dr. Julia Brotherton of The Children's Hospital at Westmead studied 114,000 young women vaccinated with Merck & Co's Gardasil vaccine as part of a 2007 vaccination program in New South Wales. Of these, 12 had suspected cases of anaphylaxis, a potentially life-threatening allergic reaction that can cause difficulty breathing, nausea and rashes, they reported in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

Eight out of the 12 young women had confirmed anaphylactic reactions after getting the vaccine, for an estimated rate of reaction of 2.6 per 100,000 doses administered. That compared with a rate of 0.1 per 100,000 doses in a 2003 school-based meningitis vaccination program.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-women/2008/9/2/reality-check-for-hpv-vaccine-allergic-reactions-and-more.html

When the first human papilloma virus or HPV vaccine was approved two years ago to protect against the virus that causes cervical cancer, gynecologists hailed it as a major breakthrough. At my own annual checkup last week, my gynecologist told me that she's seeing significantly fewer abnormal Pap smears, probably because her patients have been getting vaccinated. Many women, though, are opting not to get themselves or their preteen daughters vaccinated after reports have been trickling out concerning possible side effects. A study out today, for example, shows that the Gardasil vaccine causes a higher rate of allergic reactions, such as nausea, rashes, and difficulty breathing, than do other vaccines given at younger ages. Though the overall risk is quite small—far less than 1 percent—doctors should still be on guard for these warning signs, the study researchers say, because they can become life threatening if not treated.

Two months ago, I blogged about a teen who, after getting Gardasil, developed severe paralysis, which may or may not have been linked to the vaccine. I received a slew of comments from readers wondering if their daughters' or their own health problems had been caused by the vaccine. One mother told me her daughter developed seizures, while a 15-year-old wrote me that within one month of getting her last shot, she developed headaches, aching joints, and flulike symptoms that haven't gone away. An emergency room nurse E-mailed me that she had a series of allergic reactions to her shots and now has so much joint paint and tiredness, she has had to take a desk job. No one knows whether there's a cause-and-effect relationship here, but some leading experts are beginning to wonder why this new vaccine was adopted so quickly into general practice, particularly in young girls who may not become sexually active for years.

Pediatrician Catherine DeAngelis, who is editor-in-chief of the Journal of the American Medical Association, tells me that while she thinks the vaccine makes sense for sexually active single women, it's absolutely ludicrous to give it to 11- and 12-year-olds (as federal guidelines recommend) since the vaccine may not last long enough to protect them when they start dating. "This may be absolutely the wrong time to give it," she says. "And what are the risks? We won't know until it's given to millions of women."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080829/hpv_vaccine_080829/20080901?hub=TopStories

Dr. Julia Brotherton, lead author of the study, published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, said some women may be allergic to the vaccine components. So far researchers haven't found which parts of the vaccine are causing the reactions.

Brotherton and colleagues in Australia vaccinated 114,000 women between the ages of 16 and 18 in 2007. They found 12 suspected cases of anaphylaxis, and seven in which the allergic reaction was "quite severe."

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5h9wbmorEfaDeuL_kYIOfrgTx4mOQ

Anaphylaxis is an allergic reaction involving hives or an itchy rash, a quickening heart beat and wheezing or breathing difficulties. The condition sets in rapidly and is generally triggered by exposure to a food or drug to which a person is allergic, or the sting of insect.

All of the girls recovered after being treated with epinephrine, also known as adrenaline. None experienced the most serious - and life threatening - form of the condition, anaphylactic shock. ...

And Dr. Neal Halsey, of the Institute of Vaccine Safety at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said it will be critical to try to find out what was behind the elevated anaphylaxis rates in New South Wales. "We need to look at that very carefully and try to figure out exactly what was happening." ...

"We do wonder if it's something to do with vaccinating very large numbers in that particular age group," said Brotherton. "And that's why we really are putting this out there to say: We've observed this. We need it to be verified in other places."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090101711.html

"These reactions were all potentially serious, meaning that if they were untreated, it is possible they could have progressed to become potentially life-threatening. However, all were rapidly recognized and treated with no serious effects resulting," Brotherton said.

Allergic reactions to vaccines aren't unusual, although they tend to be rare. It's not clear why the HPV vaccine might cause allergic reactions, Brotherton said.

The study authors did find that the rate of allergic reactions to the HPV vaccine was higher than the rates for other vaccines given at schools, including those for hepatitis B, diphtheria, measles, mumps and the flu. In some cases, the rate of allergic reactions to HPV was 5 times to 20 times as high as the rates for the other vaccines.

The results of the study need to be confirmed by other research, Brotherton said. It's possible that the researchers in the new study may have detected more cases of allergic reactions because they used a different definition of them, she said. It's also possible that the young women who got the vaccine may be more susceptible to problems than other groups of people who get vaccines, she said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080901.wHPVstudy0901/BNStory/National/home

With this fall's return to school, HPV vaccine shots will be available to schoolgirls in all 10 provinces, following in the footsteps of Ontario and the Atlantic provinces, which began a year ago. But skepticism is high: In Ontario, for example, only half of eligible girls agreed to receive the vaccine last year. The program is the most expensive vaccination campaign in Canadian history. A Merck Frosst product, the Gardasil vaccine protects against strains of human papillomavirus (HPV) responsible for 70 per cent of cervical cancers. Gardasil is costly, at $400 for the three required shots.

But some experts remain unconvinced, saying policy makers rushed into a pricey immunization program when there is no epidemic of cervical cancer, which can already be screened through regular Pap smears. In a Canadian Medical Association Journal article last year, four researchers led by epidemiologist Abby Lippman of McGill University urged a more prudent course. The New England Journal of Medicine echoed similar feelings in an editorial two weeks ago. “With so many essential questions still unanswered, there is good reason to be cautious about introducing large-scale vaccination programs,” it said.

The Australian study adds some reassurance, but there are still a lot of unanswered questions about the pertinence of HPV vaccine programs, Dr. Lippman said in an interview. ...

“There's still many missing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle,” said Alan Cassels, a drug-policy researcher at the University of Victoria. “This one is so new and the track record is so untested and the disease takes years to develop and is usually detectable with a Pap smear. There's lots of reasons why you would hesitate.”

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=4bf3bb7c-a52a-4c63-9a90-c3eee5db03e4

"Yes, the data do say that if the rates of anaphylaxis are increased, they do remain low. But even if it is shown to have a fairly reasonable safety record, the question still remains: Is this what we need to be doing with the limited funding we have in health care these days?" said Abby Lippman, a professor of epidemiology at McGill University.

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/cancer/2008/09/02/5-things-to-consider-before-getting-the-hpv-vaccine.html

Gardasil is quickly getting the reputation as the "most painful childhood shot." Merck, the vaccine manufacturer, acknowledges that the sting can be bad, most likely because the viruslike particles generate a strong immune response at the injection site, causing temporary swelling and inflammation. Fainting, among teen girls, is also more common after this shot compared with others, which could be linked to the pain. Though discomfort should hardly be the deciding factor, some experts believe it should be weighed, especially for young girls who aren't yet at risk for contracting HPV.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 06:11 AM
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1. This is NOT a mandatory vaccine, and it has been given to millions of people
without anaphylaxis

People will have to weight the risk verses the reward

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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 06:15 AM
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2. That's what I'm hoping.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:56 PM
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27. Our daughters had vaccine series with no problems. n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:06 AM
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3. but Pediatrician Catherine DeAngelis, editor-in-chief of the JAMA, is anti-science, isn't she?
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 11:12 AM by antigop
:sarcasm:
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chicagomd Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 03:40 PM
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5. No way to tell
from the information given, but I doubt it.

She does appear, however, not to be in consensus with most of her colleagues.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 04:01 PM
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6. Ah, yes, her colleagues... these, perhaps?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/health/policy/20vaccine.html

The vaccine makers have also brought attention to cervical cancer by providing money for activities by patients’ and women’s groups, DOCTORS and MEDICAL EXPERTS, lobbyists and political organizations interested in the disease, sometimes in ways that skirt disclosure requirements or obscure the companies’ involvement.


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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 04:20 PM
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7. I guess she's anti-vaccine...
:sarcasm:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:26 PM
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29. American Medical Association is anti science
and staffed by total prudes and blah blah blah and oh VAERS oh VAERS.

Prudes. Anti science. VAERS. CANCER CANCER must over react!
Heretic!

:sarcasm:
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:08 PM
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4. Good thing anaphylaxis is easily treated by trained personnel.
I bet you would get at least twice that rate of anaphylaxis if you fed people shellfish cooked in peanut oil.

David
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 06:24 PM
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8. you would -- but don't point that out in a anti-vax orgasmic frenzy. it's a buzz kill..
that is of course if any of this ACTUALLY turns out to be true.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:17 AM
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11. the only frenzy is your constant resort to personal attack when confronted by legitimate research.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:08 AM
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16. except you purposely mis-state
the results of legitimate research to fit your frenzied anti-vax views.

so you make it personal by spreading bad medical advise.

you're not 'concerned' -- you're convinced.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:51 PM
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19. the medical advice i gave...where is it?
the misstatement i made...where?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #8
44. more of the hate spammers
can't start a thread of your own, so you shit on other peoples that disagree
with you.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 06:52 PM
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9. Oh sure.
And next you'll probably claim that if given the choice, more women would choose the risk of easily-treated anaphylaxis over that of enduring cervical cancer. That's crazy talk, man!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:15 AM
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10. "easily-treated anaphylaxis "
is so easily treated if rxn is delayed (which it can be, up to hour or more) until you leave the doc's office, or if it's anaphylactoid, not anaphylactic - toxic rxn.

"women" aren't the targeted subjects for the vaccine. children of 11-12 are.

lifetime risk of CC: .003%

most in women over 40.

you guys & your constant personal attacks are tiresome.

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 07:01 AM
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13. LOL
Your response whenever you can't counter the facts seems to be to accuse someone of a "personal attack." Where was the personal attack in any of this?

lifetime risk of CC: .003%

Really? What's your cite for that? http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/c/cervical_cancer/prevalence.htm">This site, which uses statistics from the American Cancer Society, says the lifetime risk for women is 1 in 117, or just under 1%.

From the link, the anaphylaxis rate of the Gardasil vaccine was 2.6 per 100,000.

.0026% versus 1%.

Your lifetime risk of getting cervical cancer is almost 400 times greater than having a allergic reaction to Gardasil.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:48 PM
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17. the shock is 2.6/100,000 vaccinations, not lifetime. that's 2.6/cohort
of 11-12 year-olds.

The .69% is lifetime risk of DIAGNOSIS, not death.

"Based on rates from 2003-2005, 0.69% of women born today will be diagnosed with cancer of the cervix uteri at some time during their lifetime. This number can also be expressed as 1 in 145 women will be diagnosed with cancer of the cervix uteri during their lifetime. These statistics are called the lifetime risk.

The probability of developing cancer in the course of one's lifespan. Lifetime risk may also be discussed in terms of the probability of developing or of dying from cancer. Based on cancer rates from 2003 to 2005, it was estimated that men had about a 44 percent chance of developing cancer in their lifetimes, while women had about a 37 percent chance. of developing cancer. Sometimes it is more useful to look at the probability of developing.

The chance that a person will develop cancer in his/her lifetime. cancer of the cervix uteri between two age groups. For example, 0.26% of women will develop cancer of the cervix uteri between their 50th and 70th birthdays."

http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/cervix.html.

But 75% of cc's are non-fatal.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:55 PM
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20. And what's the percentage of anaphylaxis that's non-fatal?
You really seem fixated on an apples-to-oranges comparison. I wonder why that is?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:40 PM
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21. & you seem fixated on equating risk to grown women 30 years in the future
to risk to 11-12 y/o girls NOW, & equating them.

I wonder why that is?

The facts:

1. cc is a rare disease with a 75% cure rate.
2. it occurs mainly in women over 40.
3. the target for vaccination is girls prior to sexual initiation (<12).
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:31 PM
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22. rare or not -- and when you move out of the u.s. and western europe --
rare isn't the case -- but of course you know that -- you can endure the cost and pain of having your vagina radiated.

what a charming outcome you want for women.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:42 PM
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24. still rare, even in poor countries, where the higher rates are due to malnutrition
& lack of screening & medical care.

Your canard about my wishing for "women" to have their "vaginas radiated" is duly noted.

Straw man. Stupid.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:28 PM
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32. your reply is stupid -- do women have their vagina's radiated as a result
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 10:30 PM by xchrom
of getting cervical cancer?

what's the cost per individual for chem and radiation?

the side effects of any one have their vagina or anal tissues are peculiarly horrific.
i'm glad to see you want to continue to relegate to this medical treatment.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:47 PM
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35. Whatever. Radiation isn't first rx, or rx of choice. But the florid
language is useful when you want to disguise the small % of women who are even dx'd over their lifetime, in comparison to the goal of universal vaccination at monopoly prices for a condition most frequently treated by scraping cells, incidence of which has been steadily declining.

Clinical trials followed 18,000 women (few girls) an average of 1.4-1.7 years. Long-term efficacy/effects unknown, effect of differential vaccination on other hpv viri unknown...

But whatever: "You want to IRRADIATE VAGINAS!!!!!" (makes sign of cross)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:01 AM
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43. what a bunch of horseshit.
i've posted about the chosen medical procedure for women with cervical cancer.

your pathetic notion that because something doesn't happen often -- is a reason to subject women to this line of treatment is barbaric.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:14 PM
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49. & your insistence on vaccination for any condition at any level of risk
is idiotic.

99.4% chance a woman will never even contract cc.

Oh, vaccinate everyone!

I guess if we keep adding vaccines, no one will ever die.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:17 PM
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50. gardasil protects against genital warts, more lesions than was
initially assumed, and cervical -- it is 98% effective.

thems the facts -- live with it.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:37 PM
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51. warts aren't cancers, & neither are dysplasias.
no, it's not "98% effective". depends on which clinical trial, which lesions, & which subjects.

guess you didn't read the research.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:16 AM
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52. i guess you distort the truth about the research. -- and that's a fact. nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:33 PM
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23. and gardasil works better than predicting -- preventing
more lesions than expected.

and that's whther you like it or not.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:45 PM
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25. 'lesions". not "cervical cancer".
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:31 PM
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33. and? -- it prevents cervial cancer and prevents against more lesions
than originally thought.

period.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:49 PM
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36. The only "cancer" that showed up in the clinicals was one rare vulvar
cancer - in a young woman of 20 - in the vaccinated group.

No evidence that "cancers" were prevented.

Spin it how you want, them's the facts.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:37 PM
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26. I acknowledge your inability to answer the question. n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. the original question was rhetorical & snarky.
i wonder why that was?

answer the frigging question or i'll harp on it endlessly. Kinda like you do, to avoid acknowledging legitimate news reports from legitimate "medical professionals".

Might put you off the "anti-vaxer fundy illiterate unscientific idiot" taliking point.

you guys are the worst kind of non-scientific folks - the kind that can't tolerate questions or discussion.

if you look at medical history, there's no reason to think of medical or science personnel as gods not to be questioned.

Questions are good.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. notice the "anti vaxer" label feels alot like the "un patriotic" label?
like how people are accused of being "un patriotic" if they don't support a mindless war
based on lies.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Same ancient technique, yes. Used to silence people & end discussion. Heretic!
Witch! Communist!

Puts you outside the "group". Not a comfortable or safe place. Generates unease & self-doubt.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:26 AM
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40. Of course, terms like 'Pharma shill' and 'profits for Merck' serve the same purpose
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #34
46. yep, you're "un-patriotic" if you don't want war, much like you're "anti-vaxxer"
if you don't want unquestioning acceptance of any and every vaccine that
big brother orders you to get.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:29 AM
Response to Reply #31
41. And like people are accused of being 'Pharma shills' or at best 'brainwashed'..
for supporting the vaccination. And like the debate being framed in terms of the *only possible reason* for supporting the vaccine being a desire to increase Merck's profits.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:08 AM
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47. LefitshBrit, take up your complaints directly with those who do it instead of spamming this thread
No one on this thread is accusing YOU or anyone of being a shill.

If anyone on this thread is accusing YOU or any of your friends here of being a shill,
then get off your ass and hit the alert button on that accusation comment.

Instead of repetitive whining about something that isnt' happening.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:19 AM
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48. Thank you for the suggestion,.
I believe in alerting only under extreme circumstances, as, contrary to what you may believe, I am strongly in favour of free speech. I have alerted five times in the four years I have been on DU: in all cases, either for racist comments or for linking to far-right sites. But since *you* have made the suggestion that I should alert every time the 'shill' remarks are made, I will certainly follow your suggestion in the future!

And perhaps you could follow your own suggestion, given your constant 'repetitive whining' (to use your own phrase) that people are trying to suppress you.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:49 AM
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37. You're the one trying to compare the risks of anaphylaxis with those of cervical cancer.
But you only want to focus on one side of those stats.

Not my fault if you don't want to do a complete analysis, but I certainly won't stop pointing it out.

if you look at medical history, there's no reason to think of medical or science personnel as gods not to be questioned.

Good thing that's just a crazy strawman position you cooked up, because I don't know of anyone who thinks that.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:23 AM
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39. Because the vaccination becomes less effective if delayed
(1) How common does a disease have to become in order for it to be important to prevent it? Cervical cancer kills nearly 4000 American women, and a few hundred in the UK, every year. The cure rate in most studies is more like two-thirds than three-quarters; but fortunately it is one of the more curable cancers. This does not, however, mean that it is trivial even for those who are cured. It means unpleasant treatments, usually infertility, sometimes other permanent side effects.

(2) It is commoner in those over 40, but also occurs with some frequency in younger women. In any case, is that a reason for not wishing to prevent it if possible>

(3) The *reason* why the target is girls prior to sexual initiation is that once girls become sexually active, the vaccination becomes much less effective. If one is going to bother with a vaccination it makes sense to give it at the time when it's likely to be most effective.

If people don't want this vaccine, fine; but it should be available. Fortunately, the United Kingdom *are* now making the vaccine universally available.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:12 AM
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38. Cancer diagnosis is pretty serious even when not fatal
And anaphylaxis is not fatal if recognized and treated promptly. Even if the reaction occurred in a school rather than a hospital, most schools have someone trained to treat anaphylaxis, because children can get this for many reasons: peanuts; other food allergies; bee stings, etc.

Bee stings are in fact a relatively common cause of severe allergic reactions, but I don't see people talking about how evil beekeepers are putting the public at risk in order to profit from the honey. Everything in life has its risks. Cancer has far more risks than most of them.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 07:41 AM
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15. *yawn*
Considering people can get anaphalaxsis by eating foods they aren't EVEN KNOWN to be allergic to, I'm not overly concerned..In fact I just had a friend who had a bad reaction to a wasp sting and had NEVER EVER reacted before. Also what the anti-vaxxer screed MISS is that you don't just get a vaccine and told to be merrily on your way..Doctors offices TELL YOU WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN CASE OF SIDE EFFECTS AND GIVE YOU INFORMATION HOW TO DEAL WITH IT. Duh.

BTW, how much of these cases came days later and might have been food and environmental but because of TEH GARDASIL IS TEH EVUL media hype made wrong conclusions?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:50 PM
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18. Considering your post is awash with straw men not part of the post you're
responding to, I wonder at your ability to read & draw conclusions.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:37 AM
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42. Just keeping score of straw men here:
which part of post 15 is awash with strawmen? I couldn't find anything that really fits the definition of that fallacy.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:04 AM
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45. while you mock "anti vaxxers", you act as the "pro vaxxer"
funny how you don't have the desire to start your own threads, but spend a huge
amount of energy spamming other people's threads with your insults and name calling.

Why is it that you don't start any threads of your own, "turlensue"?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 03:23 AM
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53. again which parts of 15 were strawmen -- you're eagre to make non-sensical attacks
but not eager to verifibly maintain your position.

turtlensue has started many of her own threads -- you are no doubt aware of that whaich makes you what?

uh yeah....

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:29 PM
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30. anaphylaxis is good for you
and so is feinting and hitting your head on the floor!

Whoopee! Just what I want for my daughter.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:19 AM
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12. shock doesn't always occur immediately after the agent, nor is it
always "shock". brushing it off like it's nothing is dumb.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 07:01 AM
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14. Who brushed it off as nothing?
I made a simple statement, considering the fact the four of the articles in the original post specifically mention anaphylaxis, it seems reasonable.

David
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