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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:05 PM Original message |
Need help, here!! Flu shots are being given this week in my area- Have a |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Be careful with antibiotics. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. You simply cannot, repeat CANNOT, change your body pH. |
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bukowskiforever (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Sure you can! You can take an acidic body and make it more alkaline |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Ph strips are to check acidity of gastric secretions and urine |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. your blood pH is fixed, certainly |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 06:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. But tissue pH is a symptom, not a cause. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Have there been any studies on this? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. The mechanism is understood like other bodily functions - digestion, perspiration, etc. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. that was not what I asked |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Sure, the studies are walking all around you. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. ummm, not talking about BLOOD pH |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. So riddle me this |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. so riddle me this |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You're the one asking. You do the research. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. by the same mechanism |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I'm sorry you are having difficulty understanding. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. what studies destroy the pH myth? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Still having difficulty, I see. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. lol |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. You've failed to provide any factual support for your position whatsoever. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. it is not about being "tactful" |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Aha!! At least I found a clinical trial on this subject |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Yes, and the trial backs up what I've been saying. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. ummm |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. And why are they having to adjust the pH with medication? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. sure, it makes them easier subjects n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Yes, because their bodies can't adjust pH normally anymore! |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. uh, people don't overnight wake up needing dialysis |
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Heddi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. actually, people DO wake up overnight needing dialysis |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Thank you. I agree with what you write, from yrs of education and experience as a nurse also. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Your study is about blood pH, weren't you arguing about tissue pH. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. here is what interested me about this study |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Why are tissue pH levels less subject to change? |
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Heddi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. There are MINOR differences between arterial and venous pH levels |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Baking soda is not a food. But, if someone ate a bunch of it, AND |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. What do you mean by "tissue pH"? Serious question. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. here |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Thanks. I love biochemistry. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I'd like to see more studies on this issue as well n/t |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Wiki has this it appears accurate at first glance anyway. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. So let's get this straight tissue pH is regulated by blood pH. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Sorry, it is physiologically IMPOSSIBLE. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. ! |
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bukowskiforever (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. I agree with the first poster: colds are the result of viruses |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. If the sinus infection is caused by bacteria, on top of the virus, antibiotics can help. |
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bukowskiforever (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Explain to me (very simply, for my brain, please) about sinusitis |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. 4 yrs Latin, 32 yrs nursing. Here you go. "..itis" means an inflammation |
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bukowskiforever (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Lemon and oranges actually thin out the mucus, which is why they are so great |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. The flu shot prevents the flu, not gives it, it is a dead virus. About having a cold, no, don't get |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Thanks for the info! Will put off the shot until I get rid of the infections. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. If you went to get one and told them what's up with you, they'd say that also. |
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bukowskiforever (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. There are about a zillion different types of flu viruses, though |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. The Spanish Flu pandemic killed over 40 million people in a 2 year period. |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. Given that you admitted to another poster that you work in this field... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Don't listen to someone who works in health care when they try to educate about health care. |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. It depends on what you call "care," doesn't it? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Given that you might be a nut job, your advice may be suspect also. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. "Every year in the United States...about 36,000 people die from flu" |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. I don't know about you, but I am deathly afraid of thimerosal |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I'd give you an answer but you'll just write me off since I'm a nurse. |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. On the contrary, but you'll just write me off because |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Naw, I try to educate everyone. Even the willfully ignorant. |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. If you will stop condescending to me, I will listen |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Since I fit in the same category, and that is the reason for discounting him, am assuming it applies |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I am not discounting you. That is the conclusion you have drawn |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Ah, since upthread you listened, since I didn't challenge, you listened. |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I'll give you another chance then |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. No you won't. Again. Tata. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. But it's okay to discount me. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Oh hell. Do you eat fish at all? |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. No, actually I am a vegetarian (been one for over 20 years) |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Being sick |
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groovysadgesun (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
75. Hey, as long as you know that the flu shot cannot protect against all strains |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Go ahead and don't get the flu vaccine no one is forcing it on you. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. What about Zicam and Mucinex? |
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Betsy Ross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. To the best of my knowledge, |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
17. You don't get the flu from a flu shot |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Or, check with your health care provider who is giving flu shots. I've had both ways. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
20. We are starting to give it next week but won't finish till early November. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
25. This thread is a Perfect Example |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. ain't that right. nt |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. Amen. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
68. Agreed. |
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