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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:14 AM
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Hot Topics: Formaldehyde (And Vaccines)
http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/hot-topics/formaldehyde.html

It's short, but gets the story across.

For more, check out:

Toxic myths about vaccines
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=9

The Toxin Gambit Part 1: Formaldehyde
http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2009/05/toxin-gambit-part-1-formaldehyde.html

Vaccines and formaldehyde
http://sciencenotes.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/vaccines-and-formaldehyde/

Green This
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/green-this/


All right. Well, these pieces say it all. As for me, I'm tired of the dishonest fear-mongering by those who seem to despise vaccines because doing so equates to "fighting the power!" Yeah, I know they'll have their usual responses to that, but the evidence just isn't there to support those responses, and I'm tired of seeing people get fooled.
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Theobald Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:31 AM
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1. Stupid is as stupid does
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:35 AM
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2. I didn't pay much attention to the controversy...
Edited on Thu Sep-09-10 12:37 AM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...surrounding vaccines until last year's H1N1 hype, and in doing some research found this interview with retired neurosurgeon, Dr. Russell Blaylock, to be shocking but very believable:

1 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nWrqIspnQ

2 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnaiubVJv8E&feature=related

3 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktcoJW6mj1U&feature=related

4 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5E2N4pliXs&feature=related

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Note: There are a few Big Pharma sponsored smear hit pieces out there for Dr. Blaylock, just as there are for Dr. Mercola, Dr. Kohls, and any other respected physician who dares to tell the truth about the dangers of vaccines, but these hit pieces do not stand up to even the mildest scrutiny.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:46 AM
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3. Prove that scientists who criticize Blaylock's BS are BIG PHARMA sponsored.
As for your links, you've spammed DU with them repeatedly, and DU has shown that your links do not stand up to the test of science.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:48 AM
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 01:03 AM
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5. It's believable only to medically ignorant people
Blaylock is well known on Quackwatch and other watchdog organizations: "The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a small group of "conservative" quacks, cranks and fundamentalist zealots which likes to rail against such timeless evils as abortion, vaccination and the idea of universal health care coverage.<1>

"Its website offers this ridiculous claim:

"'The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a non-partisan professional association of physicians in all types of practices and specialties across the country. Since 1943, AAPS has been dedicated to the highest ethical standards of the Oath of Hippocrates and to preserving the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship and the practice of private medicine. Our motto, "omnia pro aegroto" means "all for the patient."

"It is listed as a quack organization by Quackwatch<2> and is sufficiently batshit insane to have retained Andrew Schlafly as its general counsel."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/AAPS (much more at site)

You want to check your sources just a little more carefully.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 10:25 PM
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8. QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 07:31 AM
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10. I assume that Blaylock's own writings are not 'Big Pharma sponsored smear pieces' on him
So how about this?

http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/russell-l-blaylock-md-national-health-insurance-the-socialist-nightmare/

Here are just a few excerpts from the article:




National Health Insurance: The Socialist Nightmare
By
Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

'I find it ironic that no one asks these socialists, who is that mysterious single payer? Should the public consider this for even a moment, they would quickly realize that the single payer is the taxpayer and the administrator of the system is the government via an army of bureaucrats. The socialist has, over the years, become quite adept at selling his wares. It was the Italian communist Antonio Gramsi and earlier the Fabian socialists, who understood that most of the West would never bring about socialism (communism) by violent revolution as had Russia. Rather, they would be more successful by a piecemeal implementation of socialist programs disguised as social reform or as they termed it “change” (this term had been used by the socialist long before Obama)...

This is why the corrupted Nancy Pelosi boldly states that people are to do what she says and becomes angry when citizens reject the socialist health care plan. They just do not understand, in her mind, their role as her subjects and as the vassals of the collectivist system.


How Socialized Medicine Arose in Western Societies: Building the Foundation
...

All of this activity was setting the stage for an eventual acceptance by the public of their ideas concerning the social engineering of man, the core of which was eugenics. This would require intense, massive educational efforts. Through his General Education Board, Rockefeller was able to design the education of the population from cradle to grave. John Dewey’s new ideas on education were heavily supported by foundation money, all from the shadows. ...

(Then a somewhat garbled account of the history of eugenics)...

The people in the Obama administration, and those operating this government from the shadows, are driven by equally dangerous ideas, which to them, as with the early eugenicists, seem reasonable and logical. They truly believe that reducing human populations worldwide is critical and is an emergency. This means that the elite must decide who lives and who dies, but unlike Hitler, Stalin and Mao, they will do it, in their mind, in a more compassionate, subtle way. Yet, the victims will be just as dead as those placed in gas chambers, executed in Stalin’s gulags or slaughtered by Mao’s cultural revolutionary gangs.

.....

Edmund Burke has said wisely-”The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion”. People in England were sold the disastrous National Health Service based on the illusion that they would receive their health care free, just as we are hearing today. Of course, nothing in this world is free-someone must pay. The delusion is that the wealthy will be the ones to pay-which is a tried and true prescription of the left. Of course two things eventually happen-the “rich” run out of money and two, they find ways to evade the taxes and shift them below.

Another delusion is that this health care proposal can actually reduce overall medical cost by streamlining administrative methods and cutting the fat out of actual care. After all, who knows more about fat than the government? One would have to be one of Dr. Howe’s feebleminded to believe that the government can do anything at a lower cost than a free market.

Examine any government program, no matter how small or large, and you will observe an exponential growth in cost over time. Medicare and Medicaid cost have increased exponentially since they were originally created and the cost continues to escalate. And in every case the proponents swore that cost would not increase. Those who expressed warnings concerning these programs were attacked viciously-as are those at the townhall meetings. Cecil Plamer, in his book examining the history of British Socialism-The British Socialist Ill-fare State, notes:

The written or printed word is quite another story. The critical condition of contemporary British socialism can be measured by the socialist government’s intemperate disapproval of criticism from any quarter whatsoever.


....The lesson, as F.A Hayek has stated repeatedly, is that every time the government planner tampers with the market, it causes a number of disruptions that can increase cost or result in problems of supply. This, in the mind of the collectivist, demands more intervention, which again creates more misallocation of resources. Soon we have system that looks like a diagram of the New York subway system.
In the United States, we view the individual as important and attempt to provide everyone with the best medical care we can deliver.
Under socialism, the individual doesn’t matter-what matters is the plan and society as a whole-the masses. Under such a system, individuals are mistreated, abused, frustrated and forgotten-they just don’t matter.

.....

If one studies how we came to this dangerous idea of social control and human engineering, he will find that it is based on the Gnostic idea that some men are born far wiser than the common rabble and they are destined to rule. It is a paternalistic view that the populace (the masses in Marxist jargon) have no idea of the great questions that face mankind and that the wise of society must force them to obey to save society as a whole. They are viewed as small children, that is, ones not privy to the wisdom of their parents.
....

One of the other prime ideas of socialism is egalitarianism as an article of faith. Remember in school when a child was caught chewing gum, and the teacher would scold them by saying-”I hope you bought gum for everyone in the class.” -I think the socialist never got over this.


....With each election, decisions are going to be based on who will provide even greater funds and coverage for the various plans and who are its enemies. This is why England cannot get rid of its fraudulent and inefficient health care system-that, and the fact that it is supported by 1.4 million health-care bureaucrats-the third largest employer in the world.
This is also why those who say we have to do something about the 45 million (the number keep growing in their mind) uninsured. Even though many of these include the 18 million who do not want health insurance, 8.4 million youth who feel they are invulnerable, 12.6 million illegals who shouldn’t even be here, 8 million children whose parent have not signed them up and 3.5 million eligible for Medicare who have just not bothered to sign up, a total of 42.5 million who should be of no concern to the government.

.....
______________________
The government will always prey on, and attempt control over, the weak, the ill-informed, the conceited, the greedy, the oblivious, the distracted, the sick, the hungry, and the “dependent” …
They cannot win over a well-informed, the free and creative thinkers, and an assertive public; a public that makes its stand and loudly says,
“NO – We are not doing this, and we will fight back.”

We must make the stand and make the difference !!!!!


In other words, and by his own account he is one of those MONSTERS OF PURE RIGHT-WING EVIL, who oppose all forms of 'socialized medicine', even to the limited degree that they exist in the USA. His opposition to vaccination programmes is just part of opposition to *any* government-run health programme.




Is this really the sort of person who should be quoted approvingly on a health forum on a progressive board??

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 01:56 PM
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12. blaylock is a quack and this is the same as giving bad medical advice. nt
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 06:49 AM
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6. Because the anti-vaxers have no facts on their side,
they have to resort to character assassinations, right-wing looney groups, and just plain lies. This quote from your first link is all that needs to be said about formaldehyde:

...formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant's circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value at least five-fold greater than that to which an infant would be exposed in vaccines.


But since the anti-vaxers hate facts, they can't acknowledge this and will instead ignore it or attack the source.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:26 AM
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7. Indeed.
Your assertion is in evidence on this thread.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 10:26 PM
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9. They engage in the Ad-Hom fallacy daily.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 01:37 PM
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11. The Demonization of Immunization (from Stanford)
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 02:56 PM
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13. Delaying childhood vaccinations does not improve children's health, study finds
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 02:27 PM
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14. Using attacks on science by the anti-vaccine movement as a “teachable moment”
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:49 PM
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15. Making Money Promoting Anti-Vaccine Myths
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