Just a Heads up: Anti - "Was the Moon Landing Fake" show on...

[Up2Late]

...The National Geography Channel. Get ready, They are about to come out of the wood work.

I haven't seen this show yet, I hope it's good, because one that is badly done can do more harm than good.

[Journeyman]

1. But of course the Moon Landing was fake. . .

it was done on the same sound stage where they filmed Watergate.

[Up2Late]

2. WOW, Thanks, I bet the next thing you're going to tell me is that...

the the Earth is round and that the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth.

[Ptah]

5. It's amazing that that was filmed on the grassy knoll.

And James Colburn really was the President's Analyst.



:silly:

[ThoughtCriminal]

3. Great! When is "The World is Not Flat" documentary on?

I know some republicans that need to watch that too.

[pocket]

4. It was pretty good

I only saw the second half of it, but it looked very well done.

[Up2Late]

6. Yeah, I thought so too, but I bet it would take more than that...

...for some people.

I thought it was kind of funny, (but mostly sad) that the guy they referred to as the Father of the "they faked the Moon Landings" theory, is an Old man who lives in his travel trailer some where in the desert.

If you want to hear na example of this type of person. you should here this episode of the "Chicago Public Radio" Show, "This American Life."

In this one, one of the stories is about a guy trying to convince his Friend, who is convinced that Einstein's E=MC² is completely wrong, but no matter who he has him talk to, the guy just will not except that he's wrong.

If you don't care to listen to the whole show, it's Act 3, about 28 Minutes into the show.

A Little Bit of Knowledge
<http://www.thislife.org/ra/293.ram>

7/22
Episode 293

Stories about the pitfalls of knowing just a little bit too little.

Prologue. Ira describes the thing that we all do at some point: talk expertly about something we don't actually know anything about. It's so common, explains This American Life Contributing Editor Nancy Updike, some friends of hers invented an imaginary magazine devoted to such blathering. It's called "Modern Jackass." (4 1/2 minutes)

Act One. Small Thoughts in Big Brains. This American Life producer Alex Blumberg investigates a little-studied phenomenon: Children who get a mistaken idea in their heads about how something works or what something means, and then don't figure out until well into adulthood that they were wrong. (13 minutes)
Song: "Zing Zing, Zoom Zoom," Perry Como

Act II. And Daddy Makes Three. Six-year-old DJ has two dads, Dan Savage and Terry Miller. DJ is being raised by two gay men, but he has a preschooler's understanding of what gay means. Which is to say, he doesn't understand it at all. Though he does oppose gay marriage. Dan, the author of the syndicated column and book Savage Love, tells the story. His latest book is Skipping Towards Gomorrah: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Pursuit of Happiness in America. (11 minutes)

Act Three. Sucker MC-Squared. Bob Berenz had a good job as an electrician. But he wanted to do something bigger. He came up with an idea for an invention. But as he studied physics texts to see if his invention could work, he happened upon the biggest idea of his life: a revelation about physics that would disprove Einstein, and Newton. That is, if Bob's right. Bob's friend, Robert Andrew Powell, reports the story. He's a sports writer and the author of We Own This Game, about youth football. (16 1/2 minutes)
Song: "Modern Physics in Five Easy Verses," Bruce Lesnick

Act Four. The Art of Adult Conversation. Writer Alexa Junge tells about the time when she was thirteen and she decided to have a "grown-up" conversation with her beloved grandmother. (10 minutes)
Song: "Words as Weapons," Michael Fracasso

[rman]

7. The one unexplained thing

For the record: i do not think the moon landing were faked, though i do think it would be possible (though very hard) to fake the landings, or at least the first landing.

I did not see the show, i wonder if this was addressed:

If my information about Apollo 11 is correct, Collins was in the Command Module, in orbit around the moon.
In a press conference Collins says "I don't remember seeing any", after Armstrong answered a question about the visibility of stars.

One would think that being in the Command Module in orbit around the moon, Collins would have experienced several 'moon nights' during which a mere glance out the window would have been enough to see stars.
It seems plausible to me that Collins was not so busy all the time that he did not have the opportunity, or didn't think about looking out the window.
So the question is, how come Collins did not see any stars?

[salvorhardin]

8. Apollo Lunar Surface Journal

If that was said, you will find it at this NASA Public Affairs Office, History Division website. Here are the transcripts from all the communications from all the Apollo missions from lunar descent through return to orbit. Often their is video and audio available as well. Clarifying commentary is weaved throughout.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj

[rman]

9. I'm sure it was said,

unless the press conference footage i saw was manipulated.

I'm just looking for a plausible explanation as to why Collins did not see any stars.

Thanks for the link.

[salvorhardin]

10. Was this a press conference after the mission?

If that's the case, then it is probably that Collins was simply not remembering whether he saw stars or not. If you read the transcripts of those missions you will see that the astronauts were incredibly busy operating the spacecraft, especially during maneuvers.

FWIW, I did scan through the Apollo 11 transcript and could only find one instance of anything remotely similar being said and that was about 103 hours and 22 minutes into the mission. Here is the relevant excerpt from the transcript with included commentary.

103:22:30 Armstrong: From the surface, we could not see any stars out the window; but out my overhead hatch (means the overhead rendezvous window), I'm looking at the Earth. It's big and bright and beautiful. Buzz is going to give a try at seeing some stars through the optics.

103:22:54 Duke: Roger, Tranquility. We understand. Must be a beautiful sight. Over.

<Comm Break>

<Buzz is about to do a platform alignment using the Alignment Optical Telescope ( AOT) to do star sightings. Gene Cernan says that, while standing in the shadow of the Apollo 17 LM, he could see some stars while he was outside. I asked the 11 crew if they had made any such experiment.>

<Armstrong - "I don't recall doing it on the surface. We tried a good bit inside.">

<Aldrin - "I guess I wouldn't have given it any hope at all.">

<Armstrong - "There was a thought that, if you could look through a tube, you would probably be able to see stars. I don't remember that we tried anything like that.">

<Aldrin - "You could see them in the AOT, which was sort of like that.">

<Armstrong - "Which was just one power (meaning a telescope with no magnification).">

<A related question is whether or not stellar images could have been captured in any of the lunar surface photography. A discussion from Sky and Telescope Editor Dennis di Ciccio is linked here.>

103:24:52 Duke: Columbia, Houston. Two minutes to LOS. You're looking great going over the hill. Over. (Pause)

103:25:08 Collins: Okay. Thank you. Glad to hear the system's looking good. You have a suggested attitude for me? This one here seems all right.

103:25:15 Duke: Stand by. (Pause)

103:25:21 Collins: Let me know when it's lunch time, will you?

[rman]

11. great, thanks a lot. nt

[Swede]

12. I just saw one where Kubrick faked the landing in his spare time,

while filming 2001. Is this the same "documentary". They also had interviews with Rumsfeld and other politicians edited to make it look like they where in on the fake landing.

[satireV]

13. The show waited till the end to perform the coup de grace on the nutzoids.

They went to the MacDonald Observatory in the Davis Mountains of West Texas, had the astronomer laser the mirror left by Apollo 11, and prove the moon was visited by human beings and left an object at Tranquility Base.

The astronomer then said. "No, sorry, I have never been interviewed or visited by the anti moon landing people."

The narrator then mentioned that the anti-moon landing people NEVER address this issue.