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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:44 PM
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Underwater pyramids in Japan
Underwater pyramids in Japan

One of the greatest discoveries in the history of archaeology was made last summer, off Japan There, spread over an amazing 311 miles on the ocean floor, are the well-preserved remains of an ancient city. Or at the very least, a number of closely related sites.

In the waters around Okinawa and beyond to the small island of Yonaguni, divers located eight separate locations beginning in March 1995. That first sighting was equivocal - a provocative, squared structure, so encrusted with coral that its manmade identity was uncertain. Then, as recently as the summer of 1996, a sports diver accidentally discovered a huge, angular platform about 40 feet below the surface, off the southwestern shore of Okinawa. The feature’s artificial provenance was beyond question. Widening their search, teams of more divers found another, different monument nearby. Then another, and another. They beheld long streets, grand boulevards, majestic staircases, magnificent archways, enormous blocks of perfectly cut and fitted stone - all harmoniously welded together in a linear architecture unlike anything they had ever seen before.

In the following weeks and months, Japan’s archaeological community joined the feeding-frenzy of discovery. Trained professionals formed a healthy alliance with the enthusiasts who first made the find. In a progressive spirit of mutual respect an working alliance, academics and amateurs joined forces to set an example of cooperation for the rest of the world. Their common cause soon bore rich fruit. In september, not far from the shore of the island of Yonaguni, more then 300 airline miles south from Okinawa, they found a gigantic, pyramidal structure in 100 feet of water. In what appeared to be a ceremonial center of broad promenades and flanking pylons, the gargantuan building measures 240 feet long.

Exceptionally clear sub-surface clarity, with 100 foot visibility a common factor, allowed for thorough photographic documentation, both still photography and video. These images provided the basis of japan’s leading headlines for more than a year. Yet, not a word about the Okinawa discovery reached the US public, until the magazine, “Ancient American” broke the news last spring. Since that scoop, only the CNN network televised a report about Japan’s underwater city. Nothing about it has been mentioned in any of the nation’s other archaeology publications, not even in any of our daily newspapers. One would imagine that such a mind-boggling find would be the most exciting piece of news an archaeologist could possibly hope to learn. Even so, outside of the “Ancient American” and CNN’s single report, the pall of silence covering all the facts about Okinawa’s structures screens them from view more effectively then their location at the bottom of the sea. Why? How can this appalling neglect persist in the face of a discovery of such unparalleled magnitude? At the risk of accusations of paranoia, one might conclude that a real conspiracy of managed information dominates America’s well-springs of public knowledge.

http://mysterytopia.com/search/label/Ancient%20Mysteries

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:45 PM
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1. The long lost continent of Atlantis!!!!!
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:58 PM
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9. But somehow it's been relocated to the Pacific!
:)

Did they have underwater, "Oversized Load" trucks in ancient days?

Read the book. (How many people remember that?)

TlalocW
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:59 PM
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11. They used dinosaurs and UFO's to move it there
:rofl:
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:01 PM
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14. And they were guided by the unblinking gaze
Of that face on Mars.



TlalocW
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:49 PM
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2. Sorry,
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:52 PM
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3. from page 2:
For example, Kimura said, he has identified quarry marks in the stone, rudimentary characters etched onto carved faces, and rocks sculpted into the likenesses of animals.

"The characters and animal monuments in the water, which I have been able to partially recover in my laboratory, suggest the culture comes from the Asian continent," he said.

"One example I have described as an underwater sphinx resembles a Chinese or ancient Okinawan king."

Natural Forces

Toru Ouchi, an associate professor of seismology at Kobe University, supports Kimura's hypothesis.

Ouchi said that he has never seen tectonic activity having such an effect on a landscape either above or below the water.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070919-sunken-city_2.html

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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:53 PM
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5. LOL
you beat me to it :P
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:55 PM
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7. And then there is this:
Neither of the government groups has carried out research or preservation work on the sites, she added, instead leaving any such efforts to professors and other interested individuals....




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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:59 PM
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10. This statement
is absurd on the face of it.

"Pottery and wood do not last on the bottom of the ocean, but we are interested in further research on a relief at the site that is apparently painted and resembles a cow," Kimura said."

I guess all that Greek and Roman and Sumerian and Mycenaean pottery they've found in the ocean didn't last.
Sorry. it's just like the so called Bermuda Road. Natural phenomena.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:02 PM
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15. Not sure how that negates any other evidence being considered
And I don't see much wrong in looking into the matter further :)
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:14 PM
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17. I have seen maps of the place
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 09:17 PM by Prefer
It has a processional stroll that comes around a curve. Its got a different aesthetic than we have seen before.

Here's a picture of the same site on land with the same style of carving.


On the other hand"
"A natural cliff face on Japan's Yonaguni Jima resembles the "steps" of the mysterious stone structures that lie off the island's coast."
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 09:27 AM
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20. Also from Page 2:
"Boston University's Schoch, meanwhile, is just as certain that the Yonaguni formations are natural.

He suggests that holes in the rock, which Kimura believes were used to support posts, were merely created by underwater eddies scouring at depressions.

Lines of smaller holes were formed by marine creatures exploiting a seam in the rock, he said.

"The first time I dived there, I knew it was not artificial," Schoch said. "It's not as regular as many people claim, and the right angles and symmetry don't add up in many places."

He emphasizes that he is not accusing anyone of deliberately falsifying evidence.

But many of the photos tend to give a perfect view of the site, making the lines look as regular as possible, he said.

Schoch also says he has seen what Kimura believes to be renderings of animals and human faces at the site.

"Professor Kimura says he has seen some kind of writing or images, but they are just scratches on a rock that are natural," he said.

"He interprets them as being manmade, but I don't know where he's coming from." "

The lack of any artifacts with these supposed pyramids pretty much supports the idea that they are natural formations. As an archaeologist, I can tell you that urbanized people were damn messy and left behind loads of trash (if they didn't, my profession wouldn't exist!). Compare the supposed underwater city of Japan with Alexandria and what is found there, and the whole thing looks really suspect.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:52 PM
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4. From your own link
Not everyone who's seen these agrees with that hypothesis:

On hearing about the find, Kimura said, his initial impression was that the formations could be natural. But he changed his mind after his first dive.

"I think it's very difficult to explain away their origin as being purely natural, because of the vast amount of evidence of man's influence on the structures," he said.

(Related: "Pyramid in Bosnia—Huge Hoax or Colossal Find?" .)

For example, Kimura said, he has identified quarry marks in the stone, rudimentary characters etched onto carved faces, and rocks sculpted into the likenesses of animals.

"The characters and animal monuments in the water, which I have been able to partially recover in my laboratory, suggest the culture comes from the Asian continent," he said.

"One example I have described as an underwater sphinx resembles a Chinese or ancient Okinawan king."

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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:58 PM
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19. This link shows a carved face, stairs and other carvings + 3d Map
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 01:10 PM
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21. No it doesn't.
It just shows rocks that sort of look like stairs and a face.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 08:11 PM
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22. And the model of the entire "site" is just a mess.
A very angular mess, but not a structure in any way useful. The close-ups can suggest an intelligence at work, but there's no need to hypothesize a drunken Ice Age architect.

It's just a very pretty and very natural formation.
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:54 PM
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6. i lived in a small town in wisconsin
on Rock Lake. there were stories of a pyramid under the lake. my grandfather, who fished every day after his retirement, led a group of from the university of . i remember him taking me down the basement & showing me a map they had made of the lake bottom. he was convinced there were roads and a structured settlement there at one time.i don't remember whether there was a pyramid found or not.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:00 PM
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12. that's a great story
thanks!
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:22 PM
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18. It is said that Lake Lanier, GA is flooded over a town.
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 09:22 PM by Prefer
Apparently there are tree tops underwater and people have gone diving to search for the remnants of fallen buildings.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:57 PM
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8. Freakin amazing!
Thanks!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:01 PM
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13. Great stuff, SS.
I love the latest photo of your wife, too. Hope you both are doing well.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:03 PM
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16. She hates that photo for some reason, I call it her 'Gillian Anderson Look'
she was tired though (was taken via a web cam while she was in CA and I was here in Ohio, she finally made it here after a 1 day delay in flying).

Thanks!
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:08 AM
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23. Heard about this a while ago on the History Channel
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