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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 09:59 PM
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Plants 'can think and remember'
Plants, scientists say, transmit information about light intensity and quality from leaf to leaf in a very similar way to our own nervous systems.

These "electro-chemical signals" are carried by cells that act as "nerves" of the plants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10598926
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:03 PM
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1. Seymour Krelborn was ahead of his time! nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:03 PM
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2. Read about that years ago in a really interesting book..in 1973.
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 10:08 PM by BrklynLiberal
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Life-Plants-Peter-Tompkins/dp/0060915870/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1279162917&sr=1-1

THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird is a wonderful book of wisdom about the plant world and life in general. Like many people my age, I cut my teeth on Disney's "Living Desert" back in the 1950s. That film killed the notion for me that nothing lives in Death Valley and if Death Valley can be alive what else is possible?

SECRET LIFE is like the old Disney films because the book describes science that challenges stereotypical mainstream thinking. Anyone who believes plants are sentient beings will love this book. If you've done much reading on this subject you've probably seen Tompkins and Bird quoted elsewhere.

In the first part of their book, the authors explore the attributes of plants and pretty much conclude they have everything in common with animals-except plants probably came first on the evolutionary ladder and prepared the way for animals. In fact, if earth was invaded by alien species, the authors suggest the aliens were probably plants. But, you say, plants have roots and stay put (for the most part) and plants produce chlorophyll. Shell fish (oysters, mussels) and sea anemones can be rooted to one spot and small protozoa-like creatures produce chlorophyll.

Probably the thing I like the best about this book is that finally, someone links the Chakras to real body parts-the seven endocrine centers--and explains the reasons why these "hot spots" are so important. Also, Tompkins and Bird explain the scientific reasoning behind Bach flower remedies and many other "new age" products you can find at Fresh Fields and other holistic stores.

Skeptics will always have doubts, but after 30 years of organic gardening and non-academic exposure to plants, I know Tompkins and Bird are onto something. So do many modern scientists who have discovered belatedly that much of what the authors described 30 years ago may be true afterall.

Cutting edge scientists are frequently ignored. Once upon a time some people thought George Washington Carver was a fruitcake because he thought plants had feelings (they do). Carver discovered many unusual things as did a number of other later Nobel winners, although sometimes folks like Gregor Mendel were not recognized until it was too late.

If you want to be a better person, a wiser consumer, a great gardener, and healthier, you owe it to yourself to read THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS. It isn't all about them.

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This review is from: The Secret Life of Plants (Paperback)
I am not exaggerating. When I picked up a copy of THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS, to go on a journey into the previously "unknown" world of plants, it was listed as, both, a new age and an occult book. Yes, to some it sounds pretty woo woo and out there that the common houseplant could take such a liking to Brahms, or such a disliking to hard rock music, that it would be driven to either thrive or shrivel. Yet, according to scientists and scientific scholars, stranger things have happened--and, in their words and by their accounts, they really DID happen! For example, plants who were the subjects of numerous tests and studies in a laboratory, were proven to have "human-like" feelings for the people that they were introduced to. In fact, the relationships progressed to the point that when one of the participants in the study nearly got run over by public transportation on the street, the participating plant was recorded in reacting in alarm to the peril that the human subject was put in! This wasn't all. Plants also are also proven, in this book, to respond to human sexuality in a very powerful (if not anthropomorphized) manner. Besides the studies, we are introduced to the beliefs of Goethe and the scientific progress made by George Washington Carver (of peanut cultivation fame).

I can definitely see why this engrossing book inspired a soundtrack and an (as of today) unreleased documentary film. This book, written by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, is, quite possibly one of the most engrossing books pertaining to biology and modern-day symbiotic relationships between plants and humans that I have ever read. If THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS had been assigned reading in my high school biology class, I might have chosen a different path in college (in the plant sciences, perhaps!). If that isn't a vote of confidence from me, the humble liberal arts major, I don't know what is! Read this fantastic book today.

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Wikipedia:

The Secret Life of Plants (1973) is a book by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, described as "A fascinating account of the physical, emotional, and spiritual relations between plants and man."

The book explores the idea that plants may be sentient, despite their lack of a nervous system and a brain, an idea not supported by mainstream biology. This sentience has purportedly been observed through changes in plants' conductivity, as through a polygraph, as pioneered by Cleve Backster. The book also contains a summary of Goethe's theory of plant metamorphosis. The book delves deeply into such unconventional topics as the aura, psychophysics, orgone, radionics, kirlian photography, magnetism/magnetotropism, bioelectrics, dowsing, and (more conventionally) the history of science.

The Secret Life of Plants was the basis for the 1979 documentary of the same name, with a soundtrack specially recorded by Stevie Wonder called Journey through the Secret Life of Plants.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:39 PM
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13. Not this shit again!
I believe I've posted links showing how this book is complete pseudoscience nonsense. Of course a living being like plants can react and respond to their environment...why wouldn't they? Since the environment changes living beings have to adapt to survive...Darwinian principles apply here as well.
This study is saying nothing like this. Will you PLEASE stop anthropomorphizing everything you read? Its really really bad science.
This is why I fucking hate science writers. Something that is LIKE our CNS, is not the same as saying it has one. Anymore than the fact that humans can get some benefits from sunlight means that they are capable of photosynthesis..:banghead:
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:13 PM
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15. *sniff* You made my tomato plant cry!
How dare you speak out against equal rights for plants?!?! I'm alerting on you once I'm done eating this garden salad.

:rofl:
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:05 PM
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3. The only reason this seems improbable or far fetched to most people...
...is that we have such a high opinion of what our own 'thought' signifies.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:09 AM
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10. The other reason is that the words "think" and "memory" are being applied sensationally.
So plants have many and varied reactions to different sorts of light? What the hell else would we expect of a photosynthetic organism that has to adapt to different seasons and pathogens?

I don't see why this is called intelligence. Plants are fascinating enough without inventing minds for them.

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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:40 PM
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14. Thank you. Its a piss poor written article in my opinion.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 10:10 AM
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21. Well that and brains. NT
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:06 PM
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4. So I guess vegans are out of luck then.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:16 PM
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5. Holy crap,I never even thought of that.
:shrug:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:17 PM
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6. It was the first thing my philodendron said to me after I read the article.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 11:25 AM
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12. You almost owed me a new keyboard with that one. n/t
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 12:36 PM
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30. Only for vegans who love animals.
Me? I just hate plants.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:22 PM
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7. You know,
there are those Shamans of indigenous cultures, especially in the Amazon, who say they literally communicate with plants and the plants tell them what they do for health, cures, etc. It seems that certain plants also contain substances that allow a communion with plant life.

Now, in the West, that can seem like hocus pocus and superstition. However, if you ever get to experience it, it makes perfect sense, at least subjectively. We are very much biased and encompassed by our own system of thought and verbal symbolism that we fail to see just how much of abstraction we live in all the time. Most of our problems and mental health issues come from this delusion that we take for granted as the ultimate reality.

We are currently so closed off from nature in the Western modality, (especially in the hologram of corporate mono-culture) that most of us, (not all) have no idea that there is a vast and interconnected form of intelligence in the plant world. No, of course it is not like ours and it functions and communicates organically. Encountering it is a rich and deep experience that is full of awe and amazement. It is one of those types of experiences that borders on what people call spiritual because it relates to our own biology more than our mental functions alone.

Now, leave that as a tale told by an idiot, but consider what some research has shown, (as if it is being discovered for the first time) and then pay more attention to plant life itself. Plants have been around much longer than our species. Our subjective sense of time is not the same as the type of time they exist in.

We are very much out of touch with nature, (which is actually also our own nature though we think ourselves into separation) and making peace with it is a great start towards balance. Things are very Koyannisqatsi at this juncture.
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:46 PM
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8. +1
great post

the Age of Reason Split Western Man from Nature and also made us so arrogant towards everything else living
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:14 AM
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9. Thank you
Blessings
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:25 AM
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11. I had a curious experience, once.
I was being an ugly American tourist somewhere along the west coast of the South Island of New Zealand, where the "bush" is a jungle denser than any I've ever seen (and I've seen South America). There is shit growing off of shit that's growing off of shit that's growing itself, and visibility in this dense, 3-dimensional undergrowth is less than five to ten feet. Even in fenced-off areas highly trafficked by tourists, we were warned not to wander off into the bush, because so many people get lost every year.

So naturally, I did wander off into the bush, at my first opportunity. Within just a few minutes I was all alone, with no sense of direction and nothing to see but moss, bush, vine, and tree in every direction, including straight above. I stood still in one spot for a couple of minutes, watching and listening.

All of a sudden, I had the strangest feeling pass over me, a little like fear, but different, and in my own mind a phrase suddenly began to repeat itself: you shouldn't be here. I got scared and called out to my friends, who it turned out were only about 50 feet away on the path.

That incident can easily be chalked up to my own fears, compounded by the strident warnings I was given before I set off to do exactly what I shouldn't have done. But if it wasn't just that, then I may have experienced something like that which you describe. Perhaps I was the recipient of a chemical message from the plants which I had just disturbed.

Anyway, it was a strange enough experience that I still remember it quite clearly over a decade later.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 08:54 PM
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19. I'm trying really hard to be respectful of your viewpoint
but it's hard I have to admit.

You literally weren't where you should be. You in fact KNEW you weren't where you should be because you were warned not to be where you were at that moment not by plants, but by people.

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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:41 AM
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20. Yep.
I know what it looks like, but I also know how I felt at the time. We already know that plants communicate through ethylene release and other ways. Is it really that much of a reach to think that plants may release a fear-inducing chemical when disturbed? We're about to be able to do that all by ourselves.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 05:16 PM
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24. yes it is really hard to believe
because there is zero evidence that they do, or that they somehow only do it when humans enter the area because somehow "they don't belong" which is, with all due respect, patently silly.

We no more or less "belong" there then any other creature, particularly since I suspect either currently or in the past humans were in that area whether as natives today or ancestral humans.

We are also able to fly to the Moon but I don't think that is going to be replicated by any of the other lifeforms on this planet anytime soon.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:15 PM
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16. There's a reason why it seems like superstition.
I'll let you ponder it for a bit.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:22 PM
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18. There are Shamans in the Amazon who are completely full of shit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:27 PM
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:36 PM
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28. Does that post have a point other than "You're one of the mean ones, I don't like you!"?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 02:30 PM
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22. Make something up. State it firmly and authoritatively.
Plants have no nerves. They have no brains. Some of them have very basic reactions to things like changing light conditions, but that is all.

It IS hocus pocus and superstition and it has nothing to do with the hemisphere we are standing on. There is simply no factual basis to conclude that plants think or feel.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 02:48 PM
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23. I would mock you,
but you would just take it as proof that you're right.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:24 PM
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17. "think" and "remember" are used figuratively in the article, not literally.
That plants respond to light is hardly groundbreaking. I'm reminded of this cartoon:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:39 PM
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27. .
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 05:01 AM
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29. Subtle!
:toast:
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