Question (seriously) for some of you?

[Sancho]

Could all the bird and fish kills be related to the spraying of dispersants in the Gulf? Some tests find dispersant and oil in water and beach samples now, but no one knows how toxic it may be or how long it may last. It's not my area, but I wonder if there's an obvious connection. Has anyone seen research along those lines?

[gateley]

1. That seems more plausible than some of the other possibilities that have been

proffered - but the fact that they all fell out of the sky at the same places, at around the same probably wouldn't support that. In my I-don't-know-what-I'm-talking-about opinion, natch.

[elocs]

2. So, how does that explain the deaths in Sweden and New Zealand?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/mysterious-bird-deaths-in-sweden-add-to-unexplained-finds-in-us-new-zealand/story-e6frf7lf-1225982852074

[gateley]

3. Just now watching Brian Williams and he said that there were fireworks in Sweden,

too -- but people aren't buying it. Another opinion is the bitter cold weather (isn't it summer in New Zealand?) but nothing definite. "Scientists are still trying to determine..."

[TheMadMonk]

4. It doesn't. But our penchant for looking for and finding patterns...

...where none exist, does explain all the reportage.

Hot on the heels of a first coincidence of "mysterious kill events" (or a lot of things) comes someone else in the world cries: "Hey that happened here too." And with each new "piece" added to the "puzzle" the story grows a little bigger, reaches even more people and grows again.

A few weeks later when the tests results come in: Brandenburg turns out to be a thunderstorm updraft; London a disease outbreak; Detroit was the smoke from chemically treated wood burned by some homeless (3 of them have since died to, but that will be two lines on page 23, so I don't expect many will see that); And sorry about that little town out in the boonies of Australia, that was my nephew trying out my home made Nerf mini gun (Not really).

But the latest Issue of Nexus magazine (sent to the presses well before the first test results were in) is on the shelves first: HAARP is now fullly steerable and can be used to disrupt the Earth's magnetic field locally at ANY location; 11 different varieties of GM grains have simultaneously developed identical mutations making them mildly neurotoxic; and Xenu told Tom it was neuroactive pharmacuticals in the waterways of the world.

[elocs]

6. Generally when you look for patterns you tend to find them, real or not. n/t

[Sancho]

8. I was mostly thinking of Arkansas and places around here.

I don't really know (and doubt anyone does) if birds and fish may have been affected. There are unconfirmed reports of dispersant in pools and some early reports of fishermen with illnesses. I suppose birds and fish could also eat or drink in some location that had a high concentration.

I haven't heard of any testing for such toxins if that's possible.

[elocs]

11. Birds and fish die all over the world throughout the year mostly for ordinary reasons. n/t

[Drew Richards]

5. I hesitate to tell you the truth...

I hesitate to tell you the truth...

For fear of disappearing...

But the truth of the matter is...

These were predicted to occur for the next 7 years due to the focal alignment of our sun to the black hole at the center of our galaxy causing enhanced nutrino-gamma ray bursts that passed through our upper atmosphere and will be cooking us indiscriminately till the big Yellowstone eruption in 2012...

The Mayans gave us the clues all we had to do is a little basic astral-calculations to find out that Yellowstone's massive eruptions occur every 644,000 to 672,000 years which coincidentally is mathematically constant with a 28000 galactic center alignment times 23-24 permutation which puts us at that occurrence in a direct relational alignment with all our planets on the left or right of a direct path from Galatic center to the planet Earth. This causes a Magnification effect that cooks our planets core...

Pretty scary stuff when you play with math...

Or heck maybe its the Oil Fracking they are now doing in Arkansas...

[FiveGoodMen]

15. Should randomly cook crowds of people, too then.

We'll wait and see.

[saras]

7. And the conclusion is...

Don't you worry your pretty little heads about a THING.

Everything is normal, nothing is happening, the world is just so peachy keen that it's IMPOSSIBLE that two different bad things happened at once, let alone MORE than two, and of course if you assert that ONE thing happened, you're a crazy wacky conspiracy theorist and we needn't pay any attention to you at all anymore.

C'mon, Dancing With The Stars is on.

[Sancho]

9. There are a lot of us worried about seafood from the gulf...

and for decades we've seen good research that scallops and some species have been disappearing because of pollution (mostly phosphorus) run off. I was curious if anyone was testing for dispersant - if I get worried I can always put on some sunblock and tape up my windows with duck tape and boil water out of the tap. That should do it.

[Festivito]

10. Gulf, bees, ... One thing, I don't trust so many reports ending in three zeroes.

Especially from a people who cannot count a crowd within three magnitudes.

Also, like shark attacks, some things happen all the time and never get reported until at once when suddenly they all start getting reported.

[jberryhill]

12. It is an interesting toxin that causes mass simultaneous death months after exposure /nt

[toddwv]

13. That was my first thought.

My guess is that it's a combination of factors. The fact that there seems to be a concentration in the US is troubling, assuming that ALL mass kills are represented.

This vid of the Gulf Oil dispersion pattern is interesting. Watch the plume reach an Atlantic current at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DS6smLuzBk

[Gregorian]

14. Regarless of precisely why, things are not normal.

And they haven't been for decades. Fish disappearing from rivers and streams back in 1970 or so was one big change that should have resulted in big changes in the way we live.

It's like Fox non-news. If we don't get the feedback, or if we don't pay attention to the true feedback, then the control system doesn't work.

We are not willing to change. So we will see the disasters unfold. I've been witnessing them firsthand as I live in various parts of the country. I saw the disastrous logging. Most people only see lumber stores. But I sadly discovered the truth when I was seeking beauty, and instead found that much of our wilderness is actually a corporate resource. Fish and Game kicked me off of private property. The same property that Deryl Cherney was on before the FBI bombed him. I didn't even know who Cherney was until after that experience. It told me that our government is there for the corporations. Oh what the hell. Nobody is going to care what I have to say.

[Sancho]

16. I'm still not seeing serious testing for all the mass chemical spraying.

It certainly took a long time to ban DDT, realize the harm that phosphates did, and lawsuits against "big sugar" in Florida is a long history. We have reports now of insecticides from lawn spraying regularly found in Gulf waters. It was decades of testing before some of the chemical trails were discovered and even now too little is regulated.

I'm not a chemist, but we hear of many, many gallons of dispersant sprayed during the oil spill and some claim it's highly toxic. I was wondering if fish and birds dying my be related but I haven't seen a single report on what species may be sensitive or if any kills were checked.

If anyone sees an investigation along those lines, I'd appreciate a link.