Do you ever wonder whether "ascension" is nonsense?

[Sanity Claws]

I feel that there is a fundamental shift going on and that things will never return to the way they were before. I therefore buy into the ascension mentioned by many channelers. However, I then read history and see that our civilization underwent profound changes and shifts in the past.

For example, our culture underwent a big shift from about 1914-20 -- houses became electrified, women's clothes became less restrictive, cars were coming into use, women started cutting their hair, etc. These were profound changes that had upset the order of the day. More profound changes came in 1933 when the federal government grew in power and saw a role in helping its citizens.

Is what we are undergoing really any different from any other culture experiencing change? How can we say that these changes are going to take us to the light anymore than any other change? Isn't this just another change?

My musings for a Sunday evening alone at home.

[hermetic]

1. Yeah,

the dichotomy between change is constant and nothing ever changes. What to do, what to do? If you figure it out, PM me. Meanwhile, have a lovely Sunday night. Really.

:hug:

[OneGrassRoot]

2. I'm not real big on the whole ascension stuff, personally.

If it occurs, awesome! I'll be happy with simply a more heart-centered, compassionate, respectful approach to life in general. If that were to become a more commonplace way of being in this world and not something to make fun of, as so many still do, I'll be content.

:hug:

[Celebration]

3. probably

unless there really is a huge solar flare directed at earth.

Then, all bets are off.

Seriously, though, you are right. Throughout the ages, people have felt that they had a special place in history. I remember reading a book one time, written about the expectations of people when the year 1900 came. It was everyone's hope and belief that this would mark a big "change" in mankind. And all sorts of good reasons were given for this belief. But it was written in the mid 20th century, so we know what the author was thinking!! The whole premise actually made me weep, when I realized that the future held WWII, the Nazis, and other delights.

This was by a semi famous author but my mind is blank now. I read this absolutely at LEAST three decades ago. Does anyone remember it?

Anyway, since reading that book, honestly I have felt, the more things change (and they do), the more they stay the same.

Now, if you mean ascension as an individual, like choosing not to come back to earth for another life--well that is just an open question as far as I am concerned. Interesting to contemplate, but I don't know. Honestly, I think I may still have work to do. Sigh.

[SheilaT]

4. I know that many people

who post in this forum believe there's going to be a profound change in how people think, or how they relate to the world, or something that will utterly change mankind. I find that rather hard to believe, myself. There are just too many selfish and mean people out there who simply are not going to change.

Meanwhile there are changes happening all the time, and there are many who are sincerely trying to make the world a better place.

[Fire Walk With Me]

13. I know that a very large change is occurring, but it will not utterly change mankind.

Negativity will still be extant in the form of selfishness, ignorance, and most especially, that negativity which hides behind a layer of light/the positive.

Those who actively seek the darkness, who aspire to spiderhood, will achieve their goals, and experience the predictable results. Those who seek to entrap and allow others to hang themselves with the rope provided, will also experience an eventual karmic return. It is guaranteed, so think clearly.

Obama is obviously not an "antichrist" because the antichrist is said to be able to motivate the majority into following (take a look at health care) :rofl: More power to Obama, however. He is far better than we currently deserve. It may take a while for many to truly see this, and to put his initiatives into effect.

The energy is definitely trending upward in vibration, and it is definitely becoming easier to manifest and to also have to purge personal darkness. Try Japa meditation or Anapanasati Sutra meditation, and the Mindfulness techniques outlined in Hanh's "True Love" and "The Path of Emancipation" if you doubt that the vibration is rising, and that positive results are becoming much easier.

If you are able, read "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind" and "Zen Flesh, Zen Bones" using the third eye. Things are now much clearer.

People, still being people, will make use of the new energy as they wish to. It is best to detach and to pray for as much light to be present upon Earth as is possible for any to do. It is now our responsibility.

http://2012basics.blogspot.com/2009/10/welcome-and-purpose-of-this-blog.html

(When will the majority sense that something is indeed happening/different? I'm not sure, but the changes slated for 2010 will likely make it known that a trend is definitely occurring.)

[Why Syzygy]

16. The 'anitchrist'

is also said to be a man of peace. Since Obama said war will never end (in our lifetimes), he is clearly not.

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. And such "peace" is relative.

Such "peace" is a Trojan Horse. A poisoned apple. The Luciferic, which will still be present in 2012, deceives. If you take bad advice and it hurts you, it is your responsibility. Such negativity prospers through offering just enough truth and light to entice, and then hides poison in otherwise attractive advice.

It is said that the Luciferic opens the door to the Satanic. We will not be prevented from making mistakes with Satanic outcome. This is possible at a species level, as well as at an individual level. (My Mystery School teacher implied/teased that the Human species has a less than positive end result. I have not investigated such.)

>>IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY<< to make the best possible choices, and to weigh all outcomes. To seal any choice with something like IHAD's qualifier, "Only for the greatest possible good for myself and all involved".

[Why Syzygy]

5. I believe in the

ascension of the Ages. Moving from Pisces into Aquarius will bring different energy influences, I believe. We can see hints of this in past history as the eras cycled. However, the last time I posted that it is an ascension of the Age, someone posted a quote from a channel who directly contradicted that; leading me to believe that channel may read ASAH. :eyes: I definitely do not go along with the theory as it is often discussed here. I usually keep my mouth shut. But since you asked ...

[lildreamer316]

8. See my post below!

I don't recall that happening to you, but I'm extremely blonde and ADD. When was this? PM me if you want to. Sometimes I'm really such an airhead it's ridiculous, sorry.
I definitely agree that it is more about the Ages than anything else,but I also feel that most ideas about ascension can peacefully co-exist. But I try to keep a shaker of salt handy at all times.

[MorningGlow]

6. I guess everyone here knows what I think of the Shift and the ascension

after all my blah-blah about the article I wrote on it. :P

I do think that something is going on--HAS been going on for several years, and it's accelerating at a rapid pace. However, I don't think that we're going to wake up on the morning of 12/22/2012 and find ourselves in Oz. What we're experiencing is a gradual process, but it will lead to a different way of living life and a different way of thinking--IF we so choose.

One thing I am adamant about, however, is that this is NOT in any way a New Age version of the rapture, where only those who are "worthy" will be hoovered up into a different, idyllic dimension. Our "new world" is right here on this planet. But it's how we choose to live our lives that will define what "dimension" we're in.

You bring up an interesting point, SC, about other important eras. But I don't think those profound shifts negate our upcoming one; instead, I think they reinforce the concept that we are always shifting and changing our consciousness, always spiraling upward (and sometimes sliding back). Perhaps, instead of the previous changes being "just" cultural ones, we were undergoing spiritual/consciousness changes at those times as well. :shrug:

[lildreamer316]

7. I can go with the basic idea of 'ascension' because of the precession of the equinoxes/Great Year.

In other words, we have no where to go but up, and this scientific studies/theories seem to jive with the whole Mayan prophesy thing. I'm not saying that everything that is attributed to ascension is therefore of it; but there seems to be an actual cycle that we are following - so it makes some sense to me.

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/
http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/papers/history_and_time.shtml


http://www.thegreatyear.com/
http://www.thegreatyear.com/thegreatyear/tgy_facts.shtml


http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1843-year-2012-satyadwapara-yuga/page__pid__66521__st__0&#entry66521__s__c294977e5c4b95c86adca7b8dd7f51a8

The Age Of Aquarius

The Age of Aquarius (c.2000 ) starts at the dawn of Satya Yuga. The beginning of this age was estimated by various calculations around the year 2000. Some astrologers believe that mankind will step out of the mystical age of Pisces right into the luminous age of Aquarius between 2000 and 2050, which means the end of superstitions and of dogmatic religions (apud Bruno Wurtz.)


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Some of these time-lines disagree, and in the great year there are sections of movement forward (on the ascending cycle) or backward (on the descending cycle) marked by smaller sections of time, such as the age mentioned above. But the time-lines across the ancient cultures are not so far apart as to be un-reconcilable, considering the differing languages (interpretations) and ways of interpreting the skies above.

[get the red out]

9. Maybe, there is evidence for improvement anyway

When you think about it there is probably more civilized thought scattered about right now than there has been on the planet since very ancient times before patriarchal war gods took over the fertile goddesses. It doesn't seem that way because there hasn't been much of a "trickle up" effect into the leadership structures of the world, but when you look at attitudes in Europe and Canada, for instance, on issues such as gay rights (unmentionable a couple of generations ago, that gay people deserved rights), it becomes obvious. Also gradually women in the west have started playing more visibly important roles despite the ever-present misogyny generated by the still strong war god worship.

Our leadership structures are stagnant and as difficult to bend as steel because they are either held up by strict patriarchal religion or by corporate power, or in the case of the most powerful nation on earth, BOTH.

People are changing gradually now. When I was growing up in the '70s it was acceptable to say vicious things about someone's race, make the most degrading sexist remarks toward women, and even beat a suspected gay person on a whim. Those things are not automatically acceptable today, they happen, but have totally lost acceptability in our society, and I feel the US to be WAY behind in social development among "Western" countries.

Some of the most vicious things we see coming from groups in our society today is from the patriarchal/corporate power structure as it tries anything to keep it's total grip on power, even trying to turn people against each other, fostering hate and division and sometimes even murder. If we can shake this loose it won't be in a great smack-down but a silent sigh of surrender as our enemy steps back to try to find a place in a new way of thinking. It won't even do that until it creates as much havoc as possible though, not in my mind.

So I don't know about ascension, but we may never know even if it does take place until well after the fact IMO. We may just look back from a newly endorsed perspective and think "My God, it happened", like when my climate change denier husband suddenly got all proud of himself because he got some "squiggly" fluorescent light bulbs free from the electric company by knowing what form to fill out. He used to hate for me to bring them into the house.

But I give myself about 24 hours to become absolutely terrified of American Christians again, they seem to be the group most likely not to succeed right now, LOL! And they will take all the power they can get and use it against as many as possible. Hopefully they will soon be getting their free squiggly light bulbs.

[davsand]

10. I think it is kind of like watching a glacier move.

Look for it as much as you like, or as often as you can, but I doubt you will ever notice the change until well after the fact.

I do think that our emotional states will change with time, and I do hope that at some point our world is much kinder and more humane, but I sure don't expect to suddenly wake up to a changed world.

Just my two cents.



Laura

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. This has to do with spiritual awareness, and its principles.

Acceptance.
Hope.
Faith.
Courage.
Integrity.
Willingness.
Humility.
Brotherly Love.
Justice.
Perseverance.
Spiritual Awareness itself.
Service.

Edit to add one more.

[OneGrassRoot]

12. Are these principles part of a certain spiritual teaching?

I realize they're universal -- :) -- but I've been seeking a nice, neat list of character or moral traits, for lack of a better term. A list of 12. Then, voila! I see your post.

:hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. Yes, the 12 Steps of the Anonymous Groups.

I should be more conscious of the need for anonymity. If I fuck up, it's my fault, not the Program's. Period.

[OneGrassRoot]

15. Sorry....

I'm so clueless.

Thanks for enlightening me.

:hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. In the time ahead, there is a much greater opportunity to grow

than there has been before. There is of course also a much greater opportunity to perceive the need for growth, in increasing juxtaposition to the new energy of spiritual principles.

In responsibility and karma, there is an increasing opportunity to perceive the consequences of not growing.

Choice has always been ours. We are now simply going to have to be responsible for our choices.

[get the red out]

19. We need to grow up

Humanity has been in a child state for a long time and it is time to grow up. I just keep thinking this, "please everybody just grow up".

We are all in the life raft together, time to stop rowing in circles.

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. Trungpa Rinpoche offered what he considered the best mantra.

"Grow up; grow up; grow up."

I often use mindful breathing with "Mankind: Grow up; grow up; grow up."

:)