Earth Changes and what's REALLY going on here

[FirstLight]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=229321&mesg_id=229321


So the arctic is melting *much faster* than all the models...and I am not surprised, are you?

...and the magnetics are falling, the earth plates are groovin, the volcanoes are cookin...

How do you see this unfolding? Do you see a major 'culling' of the human herd? Do you see us embracing technologies that will turn this around in time? Do you see that after the magma stops moving, we have some big shifts in our geography?

I am interested to know what you guys have read and what your intuition has told you.
(I'll post my 2 cents downthread, too)

and please give Hatrack some love on the above link, he/she always posts the important environmental stories and gets very little input...maybe because so many folks are in denial of how to fix it....

[MorningGlow]

1. There will be changes, but I don't see an apocalypse happening

For the record, I used to. When I was younger, I was obsessed with apocalyptic movies, natural disasters, and any sort of gloom-and-doom stuff I could get my hands on. Then, gradually, I became less and less interested in that sort of future. I firmly believe it's because the potential for manifestation of that scenario lessened drastically.

In other words, we WERE on that path to total annihilation. But we CHOSE not to go down that road. Yes, we will have earth changes, and yes, some people will die because of them. But we will NOT experience the level of destruction you'd find in a special-effects-laden apocalyptic movie, nor will we be reduced to "living off the land" in tiny communities with no amenities as though we've been thrown back into the middle ages.

Allow me to say that again: NOT NOT NOT. That is all.
:rofl:

[OneGrassRoot]

2. I'm with you :)

I used to obsessed with the other scenario in my youth as well. I don't know why I no longer sense an apocalyptic scenario...I have no reason NOT to...I simply don't.



:shrug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

5. "...we CHOSE not to go down that road."

Seems like it to me!

Let's work to keep it this way.

[BlueIris]

27. Thanks for this. It's...pretty much what I was going to post.

Sort of. I feel the threat of global nuclear war is ever present, and the long-term effects of the ecological devastation we've inflicted on our planet are going to...suck pretty bad, but I doubt it will get to the "living off the land without money or hospitals" stage for all of society. Nor should we be aspiring to live that way, if you ask me.

[Sanity Claws]

3. The suspense is killing me

C'mon, First Light, I want to know your thoughts on this. ;)
My intuition is not finely tuned. I really don't have an expected scenario in mind.

[Delphinus]

4. Hmm ...

Well, after three attempts to post my thoughts, I'll have to wait - I obviously need to listen to my gut a bit more before sharing.

Provocative questions.

[bigmonkey]

6. My change came in the 80s.

For some reason, I stopped thinking that we were doomed. I don't know if it was after the Harmonic Convergence or not, but I stopped thinking the worst.

Now I worry more about life being miserable (politically) than I do about it being extinguished.

[northernlights]

7. there are already more than a billion people starving

acording to the FAO (food & agriculture branch of United Nations) but it's mostly in Africa, so doesn't make the news. One person starves to death every second, but it's out of our sight so easily shoved out of mind.

The magnetic poles change every so often and that doesn't impact climate -- only wierd things like which way the water circles when you flush the toilet -- right now in the southern hemisphere is circles the opposite way of ours. If the poles completely reverse, so will our toilet water whirlpool.

When predictions are made of mass culling, it's easy to be confused. That doesn't mean that 1/3 of the US population will die, 1/3 of France, 1/3 of Canada, etc. The western nations will fare far better than the rest, due to power, resources and a better geographic situation. The biggest danger for us are the nations with huge hungry populations that have destroyed their own natural resources but are nuclear-armed, such as China, India, N. Korea, Pakistan...

Third world nations will bear the brunt of climate and earth change, FL, so except for the occasional Katrina here or earthquake there, we can very easily look away. The reason most of these nations are 3rd world is largely because they already had such a challenging climate they could never progress beyond subsistence survival -- that will only get worse. Australia is experiencing record drought, but mostly in the outback where the indiginous people and sheep live.

I read not long ago that about 30% of earth's mammals will go extinct, and soon, but again we can easily look away because they won't be mammals that we see unless we go to the zoo. We'll see the occasional article about polar bears losing their habitat and eating their babies, but those get lost in the news about Tiger Woods sex life.

I've also read that we've depleted about 90% of edible fish due to unsustainable trawling methods that take everything. Locally the fishermen are looking for other kinds of work and fishing boats are a dime a dozen here. But again, this mostly impacts indiginous people of 3rd world countries (Somalia for one) that depend on fish for survival. We'll notice when fish hits a zillion dollars/pound and then disappears from the supermarket shelves...but already they make that fake crab and fake lobster, so who knows? GMO-soy processed salmon-like food product, anyone? BTW, the "fish salad" sandwich at Subway doesn't have any actual fish in it.

And island nations (I forget which ones, but have read this recently) are already being evacuated and their inhabitants re-settled, as they are starting to go under. The US and other western countries pay a small amount of money to the countries to help offset the costs. This has been in the news -- in one of the recent economic gatherins (Davos?) the small countries were complaining (rightfully so, most likely) that we aren't doing enough financially to help them. But again, they aren't big name nations, so we don't see it on teevee so it doesn't really matter or count.

In the mean time, back here in the U.S. I read yesterday (thanks to Guilder Glider) that a quiet shift is taking place as states and cities fend off bankruptcy. I think it was Chicago that has stopped paying state aid agencies -- the numbers show up on the books, but the agencies haven't actually received any money for 6 months, and so much aid has stopped within the city. As a result, there has been a quiet migration of poor out of the city and into the surrounding countryside local villages. Described in the article as modern-day "oakies." So the trickle has begun...just a matter of time before it's a flood. I know that once I'm able to dump this place, I'll be heading to a warmer climate. In the current economy you can't give horses away without concern they'll end up on a dinner plate.

In fact, last year a new trend appeared in Florida of people's horses being stolen from their pastures and their remains found in the street, where they'd been slaughtered, butchered and eaten. Scary times for horse owners, but as long as I stay rural where there are still plenty of deer and turkeys, my old man and the baby will be ok.

[Callie McAllie]

8. Detroit will take Chicago's "Okies" in

We need the population boost, and housing is cheap. I think the results of the 2010 census will be incredibly interesting. But then, I am a geek like that.

I think the snow in DC is telling, too. My hubbie says it is because the polar ice caps are melting so fast, there's more moisture in the air, it has to go somewhere. I think it's a signal to those US politicians that this is what you get if you keep ignoring Mother Nature.

Haiti, now there's something to think about. Apart from the fact that it's just so incredibly tragic. Here's an island where they have used up much of the natural resources, deforestation, etc., that they cannot sustain themselves adequately. And now disaster hits. To me, it's a symbol, a foreshadowing, of what could happen to the whole planet if we don't wise up. And who will send troops to help Earth when disaster hits?

[northernlights]

9. it's probably already too late

In the worse-case scenarios, complete melting of the arctic wasn't projected to happen until about 2100. Instead, as the OP article indicates, it looks now like that will happen within 3 or 4 years. Once that happens, we'll be in runaway global warming if we aren't already. Instead of white ice and snow reflecting warming light off the earth's surface, the dark water will absorb it, intensifying the heating effect. That's why the polar regions are experiencing the most dramatic temperature shifts. And the siberian thaw that is just underway will increase, releasing more methane into the atmosphere, dramatically increasing the amount of greenhouse gases.

And yes, your husband is correct. The increase in water in the atmosphere is what is increasing rain and snowfall. However, it doesn't fall evenly over the globe. Instead, wet areas are getting heavier precipitation and desertification is increasing and expanding in other areas, such as Africaand Australia.

The other potential scenaria is for the increase in greenhouse gases to reach a point where more warming light is unable to penetrate the atmosphere at all, plunging earth rapidly into a new ice age.

And unlike CO2, methane is a *very* stable gas, meaning it will take a long time for it to be cleared from the atmosphere.

We notice Haiti because we have direct, historical ties and it is in our backyard. There are Haitis happening all over the world right now.

I don't believe we'll come up with a scientific solution in time, and we lack the political will to do what is necessary. We missed our window of opportunity and we've never put even close to the resources into research that are needed. Obama intends to switch to nuclear, but I honestly think it's too late and that just will create another kind of pollution to deal with. Everybody focuses on the safety of the plants, which is indeed important. But 50 years into nuclear we *still* don't have a viable solution for the waste. Fighting over where to store it is all very well and good -- but even if we settle on a spot, how the hell do we safely transport the stuff there?

And personally, I think the solution is to completely change how we live. Produce locally, buy local, import only what needs to be imported. I think in the end that is how we'll be forced to live. I think the time of super-powers is coming to an end. But maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part :shrug:

[glinda]

13. First the abnormal cold and displaced snow and then the gradual but rapid heating...

[glowing]

29. toilets flushing the way that they do has nothing to do with magnetics... in a large

body of water, yes, but in the toilets.. its a myth. Its the plumbing. (Marine Science degree)

[WhiteTara]

10. I knew someone who felf that it would be better to be in

a war zone, so they could know who the "enemy" was. I kind of see it this way. As co creator, you set up the scenarios and the universe provides the background script.

[FirstLight]

11. Wow, you guys are really 'getting' some stuff...

I agree on many levels, and as much as I don't buy in to the apocalyptic viewpoint, that could just be my ego trying to stay in denial. Yes, 3rd world countries are more screwn than us...but the effects of the planet changing will be hard for humans to avoid no matter where they live.

What hit me most about the disasters in Haiti and even the Tsunami in Indonesia is that the global community gave so much in resources and money to help and it was not a complete 'fix' either. So, what happens when there is a disaster happening about once or twice a month, and country after country is affected? The resources of even the first world nations will be tapped out and he economic relief will cease to exist too. If there is a crisis of earthquake, volcano or hurricane on each continent, affecting millions, there will be nobody to help, because everyone will be dealing with their own crisis. (yet another reason I think being in these wars will lead to our own ultimate demise. If something happens like katrina or a yellowstone eruption, we have no national guard to help, and no money to give aid to OURSELVES)
so ya, first thing I see happening is a bankruptcy of sorts..."no relief for you! we are taking care of our own mess..."

Secondly, as resources deplete and social services dry up...we could very well see some crazy stuff happening in urban areas, and in other countries where peace is tenuous at best. Humans don't need much encouragement to act like crazy monkeys fighting for food...

I think rural life offers a little more safety because the sense of community is there. When we lose out resources we turn to eachother more in small towns, and some neighborhgoods in urban areas may be doing it too even now...building neighborhood gardens and visioning co-ops for services that used to be offered by govt. While I don't see the full "mad Max" scenario, I *do* think we will se some dark times in the next couple years as the polarities of our world finally split...consciousness speaking. There are people today that are buying ammo instead of learning how to grow food...that is a reality and we will have to deal with some of that as things get hairy.

Peak Oil and issues over Water could be the real thing that sneaks up on us too. Pollution is poision, but we are so addicted to our combustion engines and our 'evil' ways that the only think that could really stop our consumption and pollution is if he fossil fuels run out. I am thinking we are closer to this 'edge' than the PTB are letting on as well. However, as human nature has proven again & again...even if we KNOW the egde is right HERE...we will keep going until the car runs out of gas. literally. I don;t need to recount peak oil scenarios.. you can do some googling and see it for yourself. but hmm... no jets for relieF efforts, no trucks to transport food, etc... gets scary real quick. again, local sustainable efforts will be our best bet.
I am already hearing the water wars begin, there have been little quiet stories in the news about countries and big corporations who ome in and take over etc. I actually had a few friends who were into investing say to me that they were going to start getting"in" on it, because water will be like oil soon... :scared: I personally have a hard time seeing this because I am of the Native American mindset that you cannot "own" something like the air, water or land...it is a gift to you fom Spirit, how DARE someone try to OWN it?! but it happens, and it IS happening.

I don't know what the timeline is for this stuff, but it sure does seem to be coming faster and faster than any of us suspected. Pehaps we will go through the 'eye of the needle' in the next 2 years...

As much as I don;t see the all-out apocalypse that we ahve been exposed to in our collective mends...I think there is enough of that in collective consciousness to create pockets of that reality. I think I am living near a vortex high in the mountains so that I can be part of the 'diferent' reality. The migration factor is real ...have you ever seen the "golden cities map"..? (http://www.baproducts.com/asccustompages/products.asp?ProductID=3240) there are certain areas where the energies are shifting to positive 4D 5D reality already and they will offer some protection to us as well.

also- for ME a huge part of my vision of the future has to do with the book , "SpiritWalker, by Hank Wesselman ( http://www.sharedwisdom.com/product/spiritwalker-messages-future ) In the book, the visions of the california/nevada area were striking to me and I realized I could "see" exactly where he was walking...5000 years in the future! The fact that the planet's climate had "balanced" to a place of eden like homeostasis. Civilization was reverted to tribal and nomadic life, but not in a bad way. humans were happy to live with the earth instead of against it. and our evil ways were reverted to legend...and the new humankind could not imagine a world where we traveled and consumed and lived as wastefuly as we do...

So ya, that's a lot to digest and it is still a scratch on the surface of what I think is coming down the pike. I often still catch myself as if in a dream and realize this 20th century, "peak of our civilization" thing is just an illusion. (I have moments of "i'm gonna miss the burger joint" or "I'm gonna miss cable"...silly but true! lol)
And the dreams I have of living in yurts and amongst the trees may realy be closer to reality than I know. and I personally am quite okay with that :)

[Fire Walk With Me]

12. "So, what happens when there is a disaster happening about once or twice a month..."

Per the above posts regarding starvation and areas lacking resources, we're already at that level; it just doesn't come with some massive change attached to draw attention, as Haiti has.

As you posted, we'll have to take care of each other. I believe that we'll have to come into a very new, spiritual way of life (and here "spiritual" can mean "doing the right thing/charity"). Attention to "resources" and their adequate sharing/distribution, one mankind sort of thing being possible (but requires being worked at).

We asked for change. It was on the drawing board already. The challenge is to acknowledge it, and to act toward the best possible structure/outcome.

No one will answer my "economy" post. No one wants to live a different way than they already know (I myself do not care much for change). Face it, we will have to adapt to the various scarious aspects of Change at some point or another. Global warming simply makes it more likely than not.

The potential for greatness lies in this process and possible result.

[FirstLight]

14. yep, humans don;t like to change when they are fat & happy

but take away the ease with which they vegitate, and things will be very different!

I dont think we are seeing the extent of disaster and natural upheaval that we will see in the next 2 years ...believe me, I am talking bigger and worse when I say that we will have countries going bankrupt and unable to "rebuild" or offer relief to one another.

and the only thing that sticks out though in your post is that "potential for greatness" remark...there wont be any 'greatness' unless it is our personal survival skills and how we offer that knowing and growth to our communities (and how we evolve ourselves to a higher plane). ..but this revolution 'will not be televised' - the goodness we do and what we accomplish will be local and personal if anything. does that make sense?

[northernlights]

15. we may see the beginnings of that next week

If the European Union doesn't bail out Greece, then Portugal, Italy, Ireland and Spain will follow, starting the EU dominoes.
If the EU does bail out Greece, then Portugal, Italy, Ireland and Spain will follow, starting the EU dominoes.

And round and round the world she goes, where she stops nobody knows.

I only wish I lived in a better "community." Another reason I'm anxious to move...I'm hated here because I'm a "masshole" and a "transplant." Need to go someplace where climate and people are warmer. Maybe home to Pennsylvania, maybe west to NM or Oregon. Time will tell...

The water wars here in Maine started around the time I moved here, maybe a bit sooner. Nestle (purchaser and owner of Poland Springs) has been trying to open new plants here. Town after town has rejected them, despite the "generous" offer of a few minimum wage jobs. So they've taken to suing town after town, saying we don't own the water. Since corporations have all the money and the towns are broke, it's just a matter of time before they wear one or another down and leave it broke. x(

[Fire Walk With Me]

16. You are interested if I scry anything at the psychic level, regarding this future.

I don't look at it, in order for it to remain a surprise. :shrug:

Not a cop-out. My skill set is "down" at the moment due to extreme release/growth. I'm exhausted. I'll do so when I'm able, but for now, my general take is that "change" is going to happen.

What is most important is knowing this, being psychologically prepared for it, and to rise to the occasion understanding its spiritual meaning and potential outcome. And organizing others into this understanding. Telling people about impending disaster is useless, unless it is applied to counter such directly. I spend time praying to negate any impending earthquakes, for what it's worth.

Unless I'm careful, I won't be there to help. Which would of course, be quite a relief. No, I'm not very strong at all, unless God is involved, Who makes all things possible.

The good news is that (at least) the Fourth and Fifth Dimensions are extant, and may be utilized in such a manner, for such purposes. "Divine Love is pouring into the Earth and Mankind" is a good mantra/visualization. Change is easier, when bombarded by Love.

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. Oh yes, and the concept of the Hydraulic Empire....very very bad.

Note that Enron may have had an interest in such things.

[eilen]

19. I didn't see your economy post

send me a link?

This is a topic that has been on my mind since 2005. I have felt there is a better way to live. It is frustrating to me that I cannot pinpoint the issue, make up better words. I love words It just has not come to me. I am certain that more information will be provided to me in time.

Regarding apocalypse scenerios; like Haiti, instant disaster is very dramatic and compelling. However if you pause and consider that Haiti's apocalyptic experience was really not due to a one day natural phenomena. It was due to a multi-generational slide caused by human greed. Haitians have been trying to escape their home for years before the earthquake. Ask any Floridan. The current crisis is a seal, the island itself in revolt. Aid would not have been so difficult to distribute had the culture and community been intact to start with. People were starving well before any earthquake. Somalia is another example. These nations are our canaries in the mine.

We in the US have two big exemplars -- 9/11 and Katrina on how to manage disaster- of which surely more is to come in the future. We also have many smaller exemplars that don't seem to stand in our collective memories for very long, destructive hurricanes, tornadoes, ice storms and wild fires. Why don't the latter disaster stand out as much as the former? Previously our institutions were intact and we managed acts of Nature as a community, people really pulled together, our resources were localized.

Now our resources have been depleted. Our infrastructure is damaged. Our contracts have changed-- now terms and conditions are subject to change --once the conditions change for the erstwhile cornerstones of communities such as industry and banks, they hightail it to better conditions and the societal terms change. Government has also changed their terms and conditions when it comes to helping the down and out, now the maintenance of commons. The remaining villagers are insecure and hyper-vigilant to the downward trend, the ever decreasing flow of commerce and income that keeps their lives constantly scrambling for homestasis to provide for their futures and their children's futures. They do everything they can to maintain the standard of living that their hard work is supposed to mean something, only because this is the meme that they have been taught their entire lives.

But that is a big lie. Look at other nations, look at our canaries. These people also work very hard. Lack of hard work is not the reason for poverty. We elect our leaders to provide leadership. We trust them to work in the public good for the public welfare. They create policies that have far-reaching effects. Now we see, we are damaged, bankrupted, we are sick and have no care as care is commodified, agriculture is an industry that feeds us byproducts rather than food in an effort to maximize resources and profit and provide more discretionary income for consumers to shovel into the beast of commerce, our industry sold to cheaper labor, our environment mined and polluted, our fine products we have designed and produced made so lean that they are now killing us, our youth with no where to go but to either a debtor's indenture or the battlefield.

It is apparent we are on the same road as Haiti. The only way we can save ourselves is to not continue the path we have been blindly taking as there is little energy after getting up, going to work, coming home and nurturing our families. We cannot do this alone, in contrast to the bootstrap theory. We have to do this together. We have to raise each other up, become families and communities to give support. We have to stand up against those that would commodify or ruin our common natural resources. We have to develop our own local economies, our own industry. Stop relying on highly placed government officials. We need to reclaim our dying city centers, feed our artists, promote our culture. Nothing needs to be open 24 hours, 7 days a week (except the police, fire depts. and healthcare facilities). We can teach our children again. Develop and elect good leaders in our communities and stop depending on, banking on Washington. What is your community's disaster plan? Does your neighbor know about it? If people care more about each other there is enough, plenty to go around. We have everything we need within our grasp.

[FirstLight]

20. wow...hit the nail dead on!

I agree with all of your points...so much of this has been brought on by greed and previous human failures. Our institutions are crumbling and our global help network is spoty at best...so ya, i can see the US being in the same boat as haiti.

much more that i wanna say and process, but I just woke up and the coffee has yet to kick in ;)

be back later with more input!

[OneGrassRoot]

21. This ties in with my "fragmentation" thread the other day...

was it yesterday? It's all a blur right now....

I agree wholeheartedly. That was beautifully written, eilen.

I tried to get my thoughts -- some of which were triggered by DUer, glowing, in the fragmentation thread -- into a coherent form yesterday.

I created a mockup site and probably shouldn't even post it on a public forum, but oh well....this is a serious conversation and I've attempted to convey this vision I've had about a "new way" for the last 15 years. Now is the time to really put it out there for discussion as my contribution to these discussions.

I tried to give one example of how I see new cottage industries forming within what I refer to as The Piece Process, and ways for these ventures to benefit others locally...then radiating beyond the local community to help the community at large...at this mockup site.

It was a bit of an "aha" moment the other day when I realized this long-held vision ties in even more succinctly with Wishadoo than even I realized. And to come up with an uber cool name for it in the process was a nice confirmation. ;)

Wishadoo still isn't ready. :( So close though....

In a perfect world I'd invite you to check it out and you'd see how this mockup site will actually be incorporated IN Wishadoo's site. But, for now, it's informational...mainly for discussions such as this. And for my sanity to hone this vision more and more so people can start to absorb it and see how it can benefit them and benefit others.

For what it's worth, you can read here. :)

Edit to add that I hope to add a flow chart of sorts later today, to show how this is truly a full circle way of being, even within our current system.

[eilen]

24. Wow, I really like your Wishadoo concept.

This is fantastic! I want to see / read more. What an undertaking. I think you are really on the right track.

[OneGrassRoot]

28. Thank you so much!

It really has been a good 15 years in the making. The Wishadoo part...and now integrating what I'm calling The Piece Process part....but, man oh man, finding a programmer to help reliably may be my undoing. lolol

I may post for that in the Prayer Thread. ;)

:hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. I'm not sure how the economy will turn out

but I am certain that there is a spiritual process occuring which results in all of us taking care of each other (at least better than we are now).

But definitely, we cannot sustain things as they are, and will have to learn a better way out of necessity.

As resources dwindle and it becomes increasingly apparent, the cure will be charity. We get back what we give. Giving away the last can of soup may appear to be ludicrous, but in the increasingly positive/increasingly karmic energy it is like buying gold bricks at discount prices. I pray that this becomes extremely evident to everyone, to be the new way, the best way.

BTW, I mentioned the concept of the Hydraulic Empire (coined by brilliant author Larry Niven). Note that Enron indeed were looking into such things, and were already dividing up regions....they and BushCo know that to control energy is far better than to control politics, where people stand a chance of disagreeing with you and making it heard. Control all the energy, and it's the Company Store- and I've been loudly warning about this for several years, it should be all over my Journal and a couple of other message boards.

It will be harder for people do carry off such concepts in the increasingly positive energy, but they can still do far too much damage. Be well aware of what the money people are doing to the country, as it is more important than politics alone.

Excellent post, by the way. You can find my very short "Economy" OP probably on this first page of ASAH topics. Again, I don't know how it will turn out, but the result must be to make us more Humane.

[glowing]

30. Our current economic model is a theory... Its a theory that money will

buy up resources.. We give power to that idea that money = resources/ wealth. As more and more developed nations lose their money within the middle class, the less that idea of money will hold weight... survival will set in. Money will mean nothing. Changing the economic model as is would be most beneficial to world wide survival.

[Dover]

18. I've seen the future, brother....

it is murder.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant.

You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I was the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's RIDING crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide ...

There'll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms
There'll be fires on the road
and a white man dancing
You'll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin'.


-- Leonard Cohen, The Future

[Fire Walk With Me]

23. "Cause I can see the future and it's a place - about 70 miles east of here..."

-Laurie Anderson :hi:

[conscious evolution]

25. I see a major culling

from this

to this

Unless you happen to be one of theones at the top http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence

[FirstLight]

26. photo links broken

I'd like to hear more of your ideas/reasoning, too :) even though it is a sort of depressing topic

[FirstLight]

31. And there was an Earthquake in ILLINOIS this morning?

wow...things are moving more than i thought! did anyone feel this ? di anyone try to see if there may be more coming on the New Madrid fault? that runs north from the gulf of mexico, so it could be exhibiting stress from the Haiti movement...

any dowsers here?

[FirstLight]

32. hmmm and the blizzards in the mid-atlantic too

look at this... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7684779

Maryland has issued a Phase 3 snow emergency, never before issued...


so earth changes are UPON US...wonder what the huricaine season will bring :scared:

[MorningGlow]

33. This is what I was talking about

We are already in the MIDDLE of all the predictions we've been hearing about for decades, and we're still here. While there will be serious crises like New Orleans and Haiti, most of the changes will just be damned weird, like the midatlantic snow.

We. Are. Not. Going. To. Have. An. Apocalypse.

(Not directed toward you, FL, but toward people who might fixate on that and then help manifest it by focusing too keenly and with too much fear. Need to dispel the fear and get ready to cope with whatever is flung at us.)

[FirstLight]

34. yep

I think an apocalypse is more of a singular big event, but it is going to be more about lots of "big-ish" events all over the place, that will tap out resources and money and people...so we will HAVE to turn to community and sustainability to make it through. Nobody ios going to grow your green beans FOR you anymore!

wow, wouldn't it be great of storms and such caused them to open up forclosed homes as shelters, etc...wouldn;t it be great if he empty lots were turned into food producin places for those in need?

Eventually humans will have to learn to take care of one another again :hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

35. "Eventually humans will have to learn to take care of one another again."

Not to nitpick, don't take it the wrong way, but in terms of need we're already there. And the good news is that we -have- started to wake up and respond to the misery we find around us.

There are truly great things going on in the world. Watch them gain steam this year.

[FirstLight]

37. yes & no

While many folks do "get" it, and maybe a critical mass *has* been reached....there is still far too much suffering & GREED motivated paradigm out there!

But I am a perfectionist, until sustainability, peace and earth consciousness are part of the MAINSTREAM around here, I ain't happy!

[Fire Walk With Me]

38. We are both definitely "ram" energy.

:rofl::hi:

Yep, no time for fun until everything is PERFECT. I feel the same way and have to take breaks on purpose. Peace, friend. Remember that every time you visit and stay in joy, it eats away the world's darkness.

[OneGrassRoot]

39. I think I'll envision that when I have a chocolate craving...

I will enjoy and be in joy, and imagine I'm eating away at the world's darkness.

I'll have dark chocolate, of course. ;)

:rofl:

[FirstLight]

40. Sounds like a great Valentines day event!

I am all for that...how about some chocolate cheesecake, too?

[OneGrassRoot]

41. Now I'm really hungry.........

:)

And we're having 50 mph wind gusts (sounds sustained in the last hour) and my lights are flickering.

Hot chocolate may be in order right now.

:hug:

[FirstLight]

42. didn't realize you were in the thick of it...

take care and make some hot chocolate quick before the power goes! :hug:

[OneGrassRoot]

43. I'm not, really....we only have the wind...no precipitation

so I REALLY feel for people north of us. But trees and lines are coming down due to the recent heavy rains and snow/sleet. :scared:

[Fire Walk With Me]

45. Oh definitely dark chocolate.

[Fire Walk With Me]

36. "And there was an Earthquake in ILLINOIS this morning?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1812_New_Madrid_earthquake

"From the historical record, it has been estimated that at least one of them may have had a magnitude as large as 8.0 on the moment magnitude scale..."

[japple]

44. Snow in Amman, Jordan...

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/slideshow?id=9491841



There are snow pictures from around the world at this site. Also a video of a massive snowball fight (1,000 people more or less) in Washington, DC that looked like a lot of fun.