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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 09:08 AM
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So, that upcoming Grand Square I was going to ignore? Yeah, not so much.
Sigh. Silly Iris. You, a weak little Taurus, have limited power with which to resist this particular current.

ACK! Fellow posters, it's already kicking my butt. I don't mind a little hard work, but this is ridiculous. House chores have tripled in necessary complexity. Short journies now wind up taking up half the afternoon. The news issues and my subsequent need to address them on my blog have suddenly exploded in outrageousness. Is anyone else feeling the pain?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 09:55 AM
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1. Well if it makes you feel any better
I am having a chart done because of all the confusion. I literally feel as if my feet have been planted in cement (like those dreams where you try to run but your legs won't move) and all I can do is hope it gets better. Hang in there in time it will pass. :hug:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 10:10 AM
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2. That's how I feel. Confused that is. I've posted about it before.
Edited on Tue Nov-29-05 10:11 AM by BlueIris
This new gigantoid pile of stress for people of the Taurus persuasion to deal with isn't helping me in my quest to sort out all the spiritual, cosmic and astrological static that has been screwing with me since about mid-August. I finally got a major jolt of energy during that time, new inspiration to find direction, and then: splat. It's been hell trying to sift through my indecision and disparate sense of--anything about what I want and how I'm going to get it.

It's good to know I'm not alone.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 12:27 PM
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3. Need to remind my double Taurus son about this
Sure will explain a lot to him.....

Good luck all you Taureans :hug:

DR
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:16 PM
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7. Looking for a way to relieve the stress?
Look at your chart. Find where this Grand Square is falling within it. As you do this, take particular note of any planets that fall at the mid-point between any part of the square. These are points of stress relief between the square. They are also points of opposition to any of the other points along the Grand Square. Make note of these planets. What are their natures? What sign, house and aspects to any of the other points along the Grand Square do they have? What aspects to other planets do they have not effected by the square? These are areas that can be worked on during the phase of this event. They are places of refuge when things get too stressful. Squares are asking us to acknowledge the parts of our lives that have become stagnant or routine. Squares are blessings in disquise because they are dynamic in nature and provide the needed energy to break free of worn out ways of being.

Peace
leanin'green
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:56 AM
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27. Leo here....
but I feel much of what you describe.

My karmic chart suggested August was going to be a "turning point", and by November I would reap the harvest. Well August was pure hell on wheels. Five months into a move to an awesome city (the first thing I've really wanted in a very long time). It took a year to orchestrate. My life was unraveling. Friends going nutty, a total eclipse of the sun. November found me moving to a region I NEVER contemplated.

I'm totally confused. Am at the same point as you. Figure out where to go from here. I need a desire. I had one before my initial move. I totally focused on making that move happen. Now. It is toast. At least for now. May change. I want to go back. Circumstances. Nothing seemed to go right. Except I got into an apartment community which I had aspired to, and found out it totally sucked. Maybe I need to go back in with a more open mind. Maybe I tried too much structure control. Could that apply to you?

The living situation I'm in now is totally off the cuff. Spontaneous, growing pains and all. I don't even understand the dynamic. Another person is involved, and for the life of me, I cannot explain what the attraction is.

I've learned to prepare for the worst. And I wish that would change. How do I make that change?

Hang in. At least we have DU :D


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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:29 AM
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28. Wow, you could be telling my story !!
"August was pure hell on wheels"
"Figure out where to go from here. I need a desire."
"I've learned to prepare for the worst. And I wish that would change."


I'm a Leo, too ... btw. :hug:
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 01:41 PM
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4. If it's a Grand Square
then it seems it would be people with Taurus, Scorpio, Aquarius or Leo being affected.
And it doesn't have to be the Sun, any angle or inner planet in the signs will feel the weight.
(bush for instance)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 02:38 PM
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5. Great. I'm a Scorpio rising. Joy! An increase in pain!
Grrrrr.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:58 PM
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25. My husband is Taurus w/ Scorpio rising.
:loveya: What a wonderful combination!! :loveya:

He seems to be doing ok right now, except he's been tired a lot.

:kick:
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Lumily Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:15 PM
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6. I'm an Aquarius and my husband is a Leo.
Great.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:46 PM
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8. But wait. Look what leanin_green
said about some of how to deal with the transit. And remember it is a transit! I wasn't trying to make more people feel worse, just looking at the geometry of it.

In Western astrology we don't use whole signs either, so it isn't every planets in the sign that would feel the most impact, but those who are in the narrow range of degrees.
This Grand Square will never be exact, Saturn turned retrograde before it reached exact opposition to Neptune, which isn't to say it won't be felt.
The various squares involved were or will be exact on these dates:

Mars square Neptune Nov 7
Mars square Saturn Nov 18
Mars opposite Jupiter Dec 4
Mars station Dec 9
Jupiter square Saturn Dec 17
Mars square Saturn Dec 27
Mars opposite Jupiter Jan 15
Mars square Neptune Jan 18
Jupiter square Neptune Jan 27

The December squares will be taking place at 10 degrees, Neptune is at 15 degrees. We'll be feeling T-squares more then the fixed cross.
The kicker is Mars reversing direction and stationing at 8 Taurus. Between now and the end of the year Mars will be going over the same 2 degrees, from 8 to 10 Taurus. Mars only goes retrograde every couple of years and so it is unusual that aspects it forms in transit last so long.

And this time it is dancing (warring?) with the big guys and this time it has an effect on all of us because bush is president, with an AC at 7 Leo and Mars/Pluto at 9/10 Leo, being affected by transits of Mars/Saturn/Jupiter.

I think most of us can deal with it. We can't fight it, but one way to deal with fixed hard transits is to "soften", to open into it, to face what comes to see, not let it build up and be used to attack ourselves or others. It's a good time to learn the inherent power of non-resistance. Don't get me wrong, my Aquarius Moon is not looking forward to it, but I know transits are here for our growth. Even Saturn always ends up offering more then it takes...(and I hate defending saturn but it is more teacher then it is anything else)

I found an article talking about this cross. When I read these words and think of bush, that's where I get concerned:

When there is a FIXED GRAND CROSS, this indicates a build-up of intensity and energy. The Will to achieve important goals can become so absolute and compelling that, you can endure any and all challenges, yet continue to stick exactly to The Plan. As the pressure builds into a FIXED SQUARE, energy stabilizes and becomes congealed or hardened, so whatever does not support the structure will become obviously weak and need to be fixed. Internalizing or personalizing the tension can create inner blocks of frustrated energy, or congestion that will not let go. The tendency is to hold on tight to whatever you own, possess, or control, including people, relationships, things, careers, power, and money. You may know what you want and feel very certain about what to do and how to get it AND keep it. And during the FIXED SQUARE you can be feeling especially certain of your moral correctness or your right to have what you deserve. You can make plans and set goals, yet to get along with others, you may need to adapt, which may not seem possible. If your determination turns into rigidity, all progress will stop and energy become inhibited, crystallized, and congested. And since Mars and Saturn are included in this Grand Square, ego gratification and glorification can turn a grand plan into a rigid demand and there can be intolerance to opposing views and a refusal to make crucial, timely changes. You may become confused between doing what you feel is necessary for the greater plan to succeed and the immediate consequences to individuals. Negative emotions like anger and jealousy can turn inward and become so critical and judgmental they decay into negative attitudes and contaminating diseases that become so ingrained, insidious, and entrenched they cannot be changed or removed. Feelings that are deeply buried may become apparent through disease or emotional crisis, but there is no simple fix for moving out of entrenched and toxic patterns that are not working. Movement beyond this phase is a softening process, and there is no magic pill or bullet that will make everything immediately ideal. Softening can feel like a loss of power and potency to anyone who realizes that power is built slowly and by holding on, not by letting go. You cannot force anyone to be compassionate, yet by focusing only on absolute goals, we can lose our compassion and become emotionally (and possibly physically) rigid.

So what does all this MEAN??? DENIAL is firmly entrenched. We are certain we are right, everyone else is wrong. It will take a major awakening to change this. Don't agree? That's the point. This is a time of being STUBBORN. NO ONE can tell YOU anything! You already know it all, so no progress can be made because you are unwilling to change ANYTHING and if you are not committed to your growth, you and your situation will remain exactly as it is. If you insist on continuing an argument and refuse to listen or take action, you can start to feel MORE frustrated and stuck than ever. If you always HAVE TO be right and automatically dismiss all other ideas, feedback, and information, you are assuring that you will continue to judge and remain stuck and angry, and even try to manipulate others into your trap. How? By projecting blame and guilt onto others while you, of course, remain blameless. And stuck. We spend a lot of time complaining about feeling stuck, blaming others for this feeling--- it's our parents, or our husband, or the kids, society, or that crazy woman, but all of this time is not productive and while it helps us to vent or invent more excuses, it does nothing to get us out of our bind. Why? Because blaming others does not give YOU any space to take responsibility for yourself and your decisions--- regardless of the outcome. But, when you hold onto all resentment, project blame and guilt, and seek to humiliate others into accepting what you (secretly) see as your faults, and the frustration seems overwhelming that you may finally realize you are INVESTED in keeping things exactly as they are. On one hand, you are stuck. On the other, you have a security system that ensures your survival. It is ok to need a security or support system. It is not ok to blame others and assume the responsibility level of a child when you are an adult. This kind of stubborn behavior will make sure you slip whenever you take big, important steps in your life, somehow finding yourself right back at the starting point--- unless you are willing to take responsibility for your self: faults, flaws, and fabulous. If you cannot stand in your dignity, you cannot let others stand in theirs, and you will continually find yourself embroiled in a battle of wills that is taking you and everyone you contact absolutely nowhere. LOVE does NOT mean never saying you are sorry, but it does mean that when you come FROM your love you need to belittle or berate others, you can allow others their dignity because you are willing to stand in your full dignity, and let others stand in theirs. If you really insist that your astrology forecasts be one word or less, you are looking for excuses, not understanding.

So what's the big problem with projecting your negativity onto others? It may seem like they "deserve" it. The problem is that you lose because you dis-empower yourself every time you deny your own responsibility and put it on someone else. You make yourself into "the victim", you attempt to mask or cover up your inner insecurity by rejecting it and putting it onto someone else, and by doing this, you feel dis-empowered because you feel like a fraud, inside, where it really matters. You give your responsibility over to someone else, and you feel like a fraud for not taking responsibility, so you feel guilty and you hold on to negative emotions that turn into resentment, that sits there, increasing in toxicity until you step up and OWN it. The good news is you can do that any time, no guilt, no blame, no humiliation. Just release and empower. Because if you're not working to improve yourself, you're a burden on everyone around you, like a little toxicity bubble trying to drag everyone down a peg, to your perceived lower level. This is a manipulative emotional tactic because you don't really believe you're any lower than anyone else. Realize it, let it go, move on to something more interesting and uplifting. You don't lose when you encourage and elevate others, but you do lose when you let resentment be your guide



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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:36 PM
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10. Well, you're right, that's scary in terms of what could happen w/Bush,
but thanks for posting it! I feel a little better. Especially about this part:

"The Will to achieve important goals can become so absolute and compelling that, you can endure any and all challenges, yet continue to stick exactly to The Plan. As the pressure builds into a FIXED SQUARE, energy stabilizes and becomes congealed or hardened, so whatever does not support the structure will become obviously weak and need to be fixed."

Yeah, I understand the drawbacks, (stubborness, arrogance, inflexibility) yet this energy, the will to achieve certain goals, is definitely something I need at the moment. Lots.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:07 PM
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13. Good, I think there is a lot
we can gain from the transit. People open enough to post here can probably use the energy pretty well and come out of it stronger, wiser, more focused.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 10:18 PM
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15. That is EXACTLY what I'm going thru lately !!!
Edited on Tue Nov-29-05 10:22 PM by hippiechick
I'm very much a Leo ...

I've been wondering why everyone else seems so STUPID and I'm the only one that has clue. I think I need to go to my cave and meditate for awhile. :blush:


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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 12:58 PM
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19. Excuse me for mentioning this but, you have a lovely chart.
Very curious.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 03:07 PM
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20. Thanks ! (blush)
I wish I knew to read it.
I've tried studying at various astrology links and just get confused with the houses, etc.

Sigh. :(
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:24 PM
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9. I'm feeling okay
but I'm burning out lightbulbs left and right.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:37 PM
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11. Really? Interesting.
Apparently, we have a few people around here who do that. Does this always happen to you during times of frustrating intense astrological energies?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:06 PM
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12. Not as much as the last couple of days
but I've always had a problem with wrist watches. The new digital watches don't seem to be a effected, but back in the 'old' days if a watch lasted more then a week that was a long time. I just stopped wearing the darn things after a while.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:40 PM
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14. Daaaamn.
I remember AZDem telling us about all the watches s/he fries in an old discussion. Didn't know that was as common a phenomenon around this forum as the lightbulb thing.

Sometimes, when I'm reaaally stressed out, lights will flicker or television channels change inexplicably. But that's it. And that's only once in a great while.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 10:44 PM
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16. Fried light bulbs everywhere!
I have to say this grand cross thing is being very kind to me and solving problems beyond my wildest dreams.. I am aries, taurus rising pisces moon..There is huge change but it is beneficent and graceful for me as long as I stay in the flow of what is needed.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:31 AM
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17. Yes.
This week has been...ludicrous is the only word I can think of. The number of events and surprise issues that have come up to prevent me from actually getting any paperwork done means that my paperwork load has gone to about 30 minutes' worth at 7am on Monday to about 12 hours or so by the time today is over. Paperwork that has to be done outside the regular work day. And the big deadline is Friday. And I just got scheduled for a before-work meeting, a lunch-time meeting, and a 3 hour after work event for Thursday, so it won't be happening then.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 12:22 PM
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18. Can anyone suggest any energy supplements that would be good
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 12:23 PM by BlueIris
for this time? I'm going to scoop up some bee pollen later, because that usually helps me deal with stress on my energy reserves, but--anyone else (I can't have ginseng, ginko, echinacea or kelp)? My problem lately is, I get up at 5:30 and I'm down for the count by 9 p.m. That is really, really frustrating.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:05 PM
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21. try Royal Jelly
you'll probably need B-complex if you aren't already taking it. Rhodiola might also be helpful.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:22 PM
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26. mega doses of B complex plus extra B 12 2000 mcg sub lingual
now that you mention it i think I need to take my own advice. For me i would add evening primrose oil to take the edge off and spirulina for the micro nutrients 'cuz the stress and strain are keeping me from eating well.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:19 PM
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22. I feel like I'm going nuts!
This grand square is hitting my Venus in Leo in the 5th square Neptune in Scorpio in the 7th. Transiting Saturn in Leo is hitting my Venus...so I've got the planet of restriction on my Venus, the great illusionist opposing it, Mars (energy, drive, sex) squaring it from my 1st, and Jupiter, planet of expansion, squaring it from the 7th.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.........

LOTS of painful issues are coming up now in regards to issues surrounding love - issues that I thought I had dealt with a decade ago are coming back up again (physical, sexual and emotional abuse in childhood). I guess I didn't clear out all the junk the first round, and it's time to do more.

I'm also coming out of a very bad phase (extremely sick for the past 5 years...physical issues, could not even work) and I feel crazy now with ambition...problem is, I have to watch out for my health, so I don't 'go down' again - I have to take things slowly. It is been such a transitional year (first I had Uranus opposite my Sun), now this...some pretty tough transits.

I know these are necessary for my soul growth...the grand square will be hitting my nodal axis soon, too. I just hope that Jupiter square will bring some good with it, I'm in need of some good right now...:cry:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:03 PM
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23. I'm sorry. That's rough.
I have no idea if it's the result of the Grand Square's influence, but I'm also struggling to tamp down the progress I've made in resolving my own childhood abuse issues. I didn't have the distance you had from your situation, but I did make some real progress in therapy throughout the last year. It's achingly frustrating to feel the resurgence of anger I'm dealing with right now. Like, ACK, I'm done with that, enough already!
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:07 PM
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24. Thanks
:hug:

I'm sorry it's been rough for you, too.

I'm glad you're feeling the anger, as odd as it sounds. I wish I could (that really deep anger)...I'm in a living situation now where I feel that I can't. Once the New Year hits and I'm out of here, it may be quite different. I'm hoping to get to the anger once again...I feel like I have few emotional reserves left.

Physically, anger takes a lot out of oneself, and that's another reason I hope to finally get at it...that I will have the physical resources to deal with it, that my body CAN handle it. As I said earlier, having been very sick for so long (was even bedridden for a year), it will mean - to me - that I am on better ground physically.

I hope, then, I can be done with the worst of it...it really is like an onion, there are so many layers...just when you think you're at the heart of it, you realize it's just the outer layer. x(

All the best to you, BlueIris. :hug:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:36 PM
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29. I've found a bright side: actually having more energy.
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 11:45 PM by BlueIris
Bee pollen and real food everyday are really helping. So is trying to think of this time as a great opportunity for real progress. Also, some of the yucky resurgence of anger over past wrongs that I've been feeling is helping me release some pain that has really been blocking me. Which is good. And there really is something to what other posters here have advised us to do regarding relaxing into the stress of the coming changes. Fighting it really wasn't working for me, anyway. And finally, in a bizarre twist on today's Jupiter-Mars square off--for some reason, this transit really energized me. It's been--great.

ETA: Now, if only my insane roommates could learn to pick up after themselves like normal human beings. Assholes. (I didn't say everything was wonderful.)
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