Do you feel the forces of 'light' will outshine the 'dark'...?

[bliss_eternal]

...eventually in our country? As lightworkers and those that believe in such things--please share your thoughts about this.

I read so many doom and gloom reports when I browse and read in GD, GDP, LBN, etc. It's hard sometimes to not be overwhelmed by it all.

Where do you all stand on this? Do you feel we are all ultimately doomed by the powers of darkness? I apologize for sounding cheezy, I honestly don't know any other way to put it. lol. Or do you think that light will pervade, in time? Or is it already and we just can't see it?

[purduejake]

1. I believe it is already...

And I just recently gained this positive outlook. I believe there is a lot going on behind the scenes and I have a feeling this administration- and a lot of the evil it has brought us is about to crumble.

[bliss_eternal]

18. I appreciate your words, purduejake--

:hi: Thank you! I hope you are right, in that there are some things going on behind the scenes that we are not yet aware of. I pray regularly that the evil and corruption WE all see, will be exposed for what it is.

[Idylle Moon Dancer]

double post

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[Idylle Moon Dancer]

2. yes

despair is too expensive. When you feel it taking hold you can dispel it, and you must, through action, even something as banal as washing your dishes. I was having frequent panic attacks a few days ago, and felt hopeless. Then it dawned on me to do something about the insanity of clutter surrounding me, so for the past couple days I've been cleaning my apartment while watching/listening to The Lord of the Rings. I feel much clearer and in balance now.

Do whatever it takes to keep your spirits up; that is key. I don't know that I'd consider myself a lightworker, but from the little that I know of it I would guess that is the core: do whatever it takes to keep your spirits up.

[bliss_eternal]

19. Thank you for the advice--

what you said helped! :hug: I was getting a bit overwhelmed this morning, and came here instead of just hanging in GD:Alito, gnashing my teeth. lol. Not worth it. Only so much each of us can do individually.

I'm glad to hear that Lord of the Rings and some apt. cleaning was helpful for you! :hug:

[Idylle Moon Dancer]

27. glad to be of service

while I was writing that I had the scene going through my head where they are at the black gate and the mouth of Sauron is bluffing them with an account of Frodo's demise. Aragorn cuts off the head of him and says "I do not believe it. I WILL not."

[LaurenG]

3. I don't think this sounds cheesy at all

It's a valid question and everyone of us has had our down days when someone else here has had to pick us up and dust us off.

With that said I absolutely believe that the dark will FAIL. I have no doubt about it. My problem is that I am becoming impatient while waiting.

I know without a doubt that everyone has at least some light in them. I also know that living in that light is much more comfortable once we realize the light is a much healthier and peaceful place to stay. I honestly believe that more and more "dark sided" people are turning toward the light. Hang on and realize that we will probably see a lot more negative stuff until closer to the end of the year (hopefully sooner). I do believe we will see radical changes at every level this year. Here are some hugs in the meantime. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[japple]

4. I think you're right, OhioBlues, about more and more people turning

to the light. And all of the dark, dirty secrets are being exposed so that they can be transmuted by the light. It does seem to be taking a long time, and I, too, get impatient for instant karma, but just have to keep reminding myself that it's going to happen, and to have faith that the light will prevail.

[Proud_Lefty]

5. Sometimes I have to turn all the doom and gloom off

Yes there's a lot more light out there than we realize. I recently started a progressive spiritual group and have been absolutely shocked how many people are coming forward carrying their light and excited to finally know they're not alone.

[oxbow]

10. You started a group in real lfe or online?

That's very cool. Deeper Spirituality is the antidote to so many problems, from materialism to apathy to fearmongering and warmongering onwards. It was our churches that gave birth to the civil rights movement and the original abolitionists, and I wholeheartedly believe that they will help us again in coming years.

Fundamentalists may have the numbers in America, but we have so much more going for us.

[Proud_Lefty]

13. We call ourselves Circle of Divine Energy

A group of us women with strong spiritual connections feeling a calling, but just not sure exactly what that calling is right now felt a need to come together to share, grow and become active. We just had our second meeting and are amazed how quickly it's growing without us doing anything to try to expand. We have a few people already across the country as members, so we're putting together a website to expand the group beyond our area (Riverside / San Diego, Calif area) and have blogs and virtual chat sessions. If anyone is interested, I'll let you know when the website is up. The website will be opened to "register only" members to protect ourselves.

[bliss_eternal]

17. Sounds wonderful, ProudLefty--

I would be happy if you kept us abreast of your developments. :hi:

[Proud_Lefty]

21. Will do

I'd love to get to know people in this forum a lot better. Everyone is so intriguing and advanced.

[oxbow]

6. In all things there must be balance

A storm now and again is good to clear the air. I know we've been under these clouds for a long time, but perhaps we needed this insanity for the world to see how destructive their way is. I don't see it as a coincidence that there are so many more healers and lightworkers in the world these days. I do think that they will be needed in the coming transition, and so they have all been called to their power.

[bliss_eternal]

16. I hadn't considered this oxbow--

that maybe everything had to get much worse, before it could ultimately get better. How can one get past fearing for how bad things may ultimately become, though?

It IS a comfort though to consider there are more healers and lightworkers in our midsts--this is a good thing.

[oxbow]

22. GOOD question

One that I'm still trying to come to grips with myself. On a logical level, it's easy to say "I have no control over something this big. There's nothing gained by worrying about it, so I wont' do it anymore." Emotions are seldom logical though, and we end up spending much energy worrying about things better left to God.

We can't hurt mother nature. We can make her a little bit imbalanced, but she'll always even things up in her own time. Yes, people will suffer as things go back into balance. But life will continue. The sun will still shine, and people will still be here afterwards. Everything will be ok.

In the end, all this pain and suffering is an illusion. We get so caught up in it though, because we think that we are our bodies, when we are just little pieces of God that are living in these bodies. There is a certain detachment that comes when you think of yourself in this way, as more than the part of you that can be hurt. It allows you to stop trying to fix things, and just cherish existing.

I cannot be this way for long yet, but its something I'm striving towards. To be compassionate but also detached, to see through the pain and go deeper, to the place where life is one and God says that everything is ok.

[bliss_eternal]

23. What lovely thoughts--

such a beautiful post. Thank you so much, oxbow! :pals::hug:

I am hesitant to write anything, as I don't want to deter from the beauty of the truth you just expressed. Yes, I think I will go with that and say nothing else but I appreciate your words. Thank you.

[oxbow]

30. I can't live up to half of what I just said yet, so don't feel bad

The truth is much easier said than lived. We are half angel and half animal and for now, I am doing the best I can.

It's hard to be empathic AND connected to the news and happenings of the world at the same time. You're doing the right thing, though. You have to nurture yourself and be gentle with yourself until you get stronger. As you grow in strength and wisdom, you will be able to take your light into all the dark places without it dimming. When you come into your full power, you will not fear the darkness anymore. You will see it for what it is, a dream that burns away with the morning fog. The only real power in the world comes from God, and it is good and pure and intelligent beyond imagining.

I say these things as much to myself as to you, Bliss, so take heart. We are all learning how to live centered in love.

[yellowdawgdem]

7. Not if, but when

I have very mixed feelings about being in the middle of all this political turmoil. I never really bought the whole thing about the U.S. needing to have shrub in office to bring us down. Or that we have to be brought down before other countries can do better. imo, the U.S. having wiser leadership would only benefit other countries.
I've read lots of stuff lately, from Matthew, and Kryon- As well as lots of regular newsish information. I'm at a place where I don't believe anything at all that I read. It seems that the information coming from the other side is well intentioned, but detached from the intensity that we are living firsthand.
The news on msm isn't reliable, as we know, and internet sites are much better. But I often experience alot of fear and anxiety if I read too much of that. So all I can think is that we are going thru a very unstable period, and that could last anywhere from a few years to 6 years. Or it could last even longer than that, but hopefully not.
In response to your question, I do feel that the light will prevail. I just do not have any sense of when that will be. I mean, yes its happening right now and its a process. I think that many people are taking spiritual and emotional risks, and growing from that. But ultimately I'm not someone who subscribes to the no pain no gain theory. I have no interest in this sort of turmoil as a basis for increasing light. And so, I find myself detaching more and more, and feeling alienated when other people go on and on about this or that news program that I do not keep up on.

[bliss_eternal]

20. yellowdawgdem--

I'm sorry to hear of your feeling alienated. :hug: I hope that is only temporary and only in terms of not watching various news programs. I recently decided to 'unplug' from many of those shows. They're so worthless and so little truth is represented on them--why bother?

:grouphug:

[yellowdawgdem]

28. Great thread

Thanks, Bliss. I'm sure it's just a temporary thing, and it is very nice to have a place to vent. I agree that it is easier to unplug from 'downer' shows. Not only bcause they are negative, but they are intellectually blunting. And there are so many other things to do that will be relaxing and vitalizing. Thanks for starting the thread, it is appreciated.

[Desertrose]

8. Yes....I do.

I know in my heart that there are big changes coming...I think there is much in how we perceive things, but I don't doubt for a second that the light will prevail. It may be hard to perceive in this muddle of a world, but that doesn't change the balance....

I find that listening to the msm and even reading articles here on this political site really does not serve me at all. Sometimes I look at the headlines to see what the latest spin is about the latest distraction. But its all lies and manipulatons. Once you know that, why go there?

I agree - it IS overwhelming and I think that is really the point of the "dark forces". The more they can keep lightworkers or anyone who is searching for the truth..for light, in a state of confusion, depression or doubt, the better it is for them to control & maintain that fear.

Why put yourself in a place that makes you feel bad? We can change things by our thoughts...even if only in our immediate world, then we are that much stronger to stand up to and walk through the "outer world".

I guess I am saying that we should do whatever we need to do to stay in a positive space and that will help the "light" more than giving in to the fear...it ain't easy but its part of our walk. And the fact we have places to come & talk about it is a big help too.

The light will..is now..prevailing. I have NO DOUBT. Will it be easy for all of us...clearly no, but staying strong will help us through it.

:grouphug:
DR

[bliss_eternal]

15. Thank you, Desertrose--

Your words are SO comforting!

It's so easy to get caught up in everything, reading all the headlines, trying to stay current and trying to do our part to help the current issues. But ultimately, we can do our part but none of this is in our control--what good does it do to worry, toil, twist and obsess over that which we have no power over?

I have to keep telling myself that there is a divine purpose to all of this. The purpose or outcome may not be easily seen at this time,...

[yellowdawgdem]

29. DR

thanks for your abundance of light.

[NMDemDist2]

9. yes

we have already reached the tipping point

just keep on beaming the lovelight

it is sad that it will take a major upheaval to "wake" people up but it's gonna. there will be huge disruptions and loss of life (not a tragedy remember, just folks either needing to recycle once more or deciding to work from the other side)

how I manage not to sink into doom and gloom is to remember that the folks like Cheney and Bush signed on to do the work they are doing, it is a massive karmic payoff but without deep darkness, how would we realize we are living in twilight?

the time for twilight is past, there is only darkness and light. look around you, it's getting harder and harder for people to "stay on the fence"

even the fundies are seeking the light albeit in a frightened, blind way.

and the political scene is just one vignette of people all over the world choosing to help their neighbors, love their children, save the earth, fight the machine

take heart my friend, have faith and remember God either is or he isn't, there is no "maybe"

Godlightlove IS

that is all

[Delphinus]

12. AZ, there's something profound in what you just said

re: deep darkness.

There's something roaming around in my head and my heart that I just can't put into words - and this has a lot to do with it. I hope that, what you've just said, it will help me put it into my own words so that I can own that knowingness about light and dark.

[LWolf]

11. It already is.

To manifest on a large scale more quickly, more people have to let go of fear and negativity. That light does not "shine" in that state.

You might consider the current problems in the U.S. to be a last ditch effort to keep people fearful and negative. No matter which "side" a person might be on, there is something to fear and hate. Of course, we can choose to shed that fear and negativity like an old skin that we don't need any more. When we do that, and focus on light-filled things, our own light shines brightly. It's really an individual decision that leads to a collective growing light.

[bliss_eternal]

14. Thank you, LWolf--

I appreciate your wise words.

I agree, that a lot of what we are seeing is a last ditch effort to keep everyone fearful and negative. Personally, I'd like to reject the darkness and embrace the light. It isn't easy. Sometimes I feel by not looking or focusing on what's going on, I'm burying my head in the sand. But honestly, what's the alternative? To be destroyed by the negativity and darkness?

[LWolf]

24. It's a fine line to balance on, isn't it?

To pay enough attention to be aware, without being engulfed, is a perpetual challenge. I do better on some days than others. When I feel myself sliding into negativity, I take some time off and deliberately "ignore." Once I'm centered again, I begin to pay attention, trying to be aware of what's going on and still keep all the "dark" energy at a distance.

I strictly limit my time spent on the media; no tv news, very little radio, no talk/debate shows, etc.. I read the headlines on my computer every morning, and scan articles to get the main points, then move on. I do the same at DU. I try to spend my time watching, reading, and listening to things that help me move forward in the light.

Hang in there and keep moving forward, one step at a time! :hug:

[bliss_eternal]

26. That's a good idea--

just scanning the headlines and reading for the important points. I would think it's easier to not get engulfed by doing that by getting overly involved in threads that start to pick apart the issues at hand.

Like you I'm good about not doing any talk/debate shows. I've abandoned most newspapers--too much spin, now I just have to stop the tv news I occasionally watch--for the weather usually, and local stories. But then I get sucked into the rest of it. Bleh.

Anyway, lol, thanks so much for the great suggestions! :hug: It's work, but worth it I think.

[tanyev]

25. Hello, lurkers.

I pray that you will find the truth and light that you seek.

[cassiepriam]

31. Yes. Eventually. But this is our karma for now.

I believe that most of us on this board are old souls. That is, we have evolved and have wisdom, courage, an inner morality that transcends the politics of the day. Unfortunately we have incarnated in a world with many baby souls. These are soul infants and toddlers who are immature, self centered, greedy, corrupt etc. Also some older souls like the Bushes who over many lifetimes are evil dangerous leaders who harm many people, souls who refuse to evolve.

We look at these infant souls in disbelief and disgust. But we have incarnated with them for a reason. Do we have some collective karma we need to burn off, some karmic debts to pay for past problematic behavior or thoughts? Or are we meant to help the baby souls evolve by guiding and teaching them? The reason may be unclear but the fact that we are suffering a great deal with the current political reality is a fact, and it is for some karmic reason. We are meant to learn some lessons with this pain.

Karmic theory states that we will all evolve eventually. It may takes take eons, but we will do it. This planet is a hard taskmaster but we will all evolve eventually.

[Desertrose]

32. You know, I used to feel the same way about karma.....

but there has been a lot that happened in my life since then and I really do think times ...they are a changing- faster than ever before. (Time..heck, its such a fluid thing anyhow......but that is another thread).

Honestly, the stuff about baby souls and old souls just doesn't cut it for me anymore. It strikes me as hierarchical as any other religion. Basically we all sparked off from Creator pretty close to the same timeless time so the idea of being older & more mature ...well, I have a different take. I understand where it comes from cause I once viewed the world that way myself but anymore I don't think its a matter of older wiser but more a matter of light and dark.

Those souls we label as immature or young...they could just be less light...more in fear and have no memory of who they really are. As a matter of fact, I'd say thats our biggest problem here on earth really...that most people here do NOT remember who or what we really are. (and really, who are we to judge the growth or maturity of another soul?)

Just as oxbow said (post #22)"We get so caught up in it though, because we think that we are our bodies, when we are just little pieces of God that are living in these bodies. " If we forget all else, this is the most important thing that we need to "know"...that we are all pieces of Creator/God who are having this experience in these physical vehicles. We are NOT our bodies...WE are all creators in our own divine right...and this is the biggest thing religions don't want you to know...that we all have our own access to Creator and we are also creators in our own rights.....but again, another topic for another thread

As to karma...I honestly don't see karma as something we have to continually trudge through. Awareness erases karma...knowledge erases karma. Forgiveness and acceptance erase karma. Karma is not an eye for an eye. Nor is karma payback or a balancing of some sort of scales of justice. These are all earth realities. What may seem like justice to us here in 3D, in the larger picture,could simply be an action to get things moving.(Its all about the "energy".)

Sometimes I think that karma can be as much of a copout or excuse as any religion. It doesn't have to be "played out"...if it does, quite honestly this game will go on forever and that is not the point of our being here. How can your learn something and expect to remember these lessons when you come back to earth(3D) when the veil is an intentional forgetting?? The only way you can change things is to fill yourself with light(love) and see the illusions we all walk through everyday. I think this is what is happening politically. So many people are waking up and turning on the light so to speak. Those who attempt to control by darkness and fear are merely doing what they have done all along...only more blatantly. I think the fact so many people are seeing through their lies and manipulations only makes them more determined to try to hold on to their own illusions of power.

(Oh yeah, and don't forget, these dark guys...the ones controlling things...they also know the rules and know how things work, and use those things to keep people cut off from the light. Fear is a great tool...so why would they ever want or allow people to find their own light and truth and connection to god/creator? There goes their power to run the show!)

Their energy is so unbalanced and built on so much that is not of the truth(light) that it will not be karma that they fall, but by the unbalanced energy they have created.

So, hell no, its definitely not an easy time to be living through...yet it is the most incredible and powerful time ever...how amazing to see such intense and beautiful light shining through despite attempts from so many (in fear) to shut us down.

Well, it's not gonna happen. We are already too bright and it is only a matter of time. So hang in ...never forget your power my dearest friends. We are not helpless. We have the power to create all the beauty and joy this earth can hold. Earth started as a paradise and fun playground for all us little sparks of the creator...it was never meant to be what she has become.earth is what we create it as....I for one have had quite enough of hard taskmasters. I do not believe nor accept, that I (we) need to learn by pain. Lets create the future with joy...its way past time!

Never doubt how brilliant and strong your light truly is. We are in this together and we, all of us, can hold this brilliant and beautiful light for as long as it takes to shine in all the nooks & crannies.

:grouphug:
DR

(forgive the rant...it was not directed at anyone...just some thoughts coalesced when I actually had some computer time) :evilgrin:

[oxbow]

33. I've been thinking a lot about pain lately

It is a great teacher. There's nothing like it to get things moving, because it lets you know that something is not right. Of course, some people won't listen no matter how much it tries to tell them something (I'm thinking of my old self here).

Progress through pain works on the principle of fear, though. It's fear of pain that goads people forward, often in the wrong direction. It is a blind, unintelligent way of changing the status quo. It breeds hysterical energy, which can make things happen, but is inefficient and ultimately exhausting.

I am interested in your thoughts on this, Rose. What is the teacher that is greater than pain? How do we, both personally and as a species, move beyond this old teacher and embrace the new?

[Desertrose]

34. Really good question, oxbow.

I'd really like to think that love would be the greatest teacher...pain is certainly a motivator, no doubt about that - both kinds of pain...physical & emotional.

I've been thinking about pain. I agree that it can sometimes be a useful warning as to problems with the physical body....that there is something that needs to be changed or fixed or addressed in some way. Usually an energy imbalance that needs to be examined closer.

I've been thinking, too, about the kind of physical pain that just grinds a person down so there's nothing left ...so that the light is dim and the joy is out of reach. I suppose in some cases it teaches or gives one the opportunity to dig deeper and find the strength that is needed to get through the difficulty. The same can be said of emotional pain as well. I do think there must be other ways to get the same answers or results. I agree that it is a blind and unintelligent way to change and move us...and the direction is not always "forward". I think pain scatters focus more often than it sharpens it.

My motto is that there is ALWAYS another option...another choice, even though it may take us awhile to get to it.

I wonder if knowing who we are, that we are all sparks of god ...all brother and sister creators, if the need to cause and/or endure such drama in our lives would still be necessary. Masters learn to "be" in this world yet don't get caught up in the imbalances of energies. Is that what we should aspire to as well? Wonder if it would stop the "energy feeding frenzy" that I see so prevalent in this world.

Maybe when we realize we don't need to live it or create it, we will find a better teacher than pain...or maybe its not even a matter of needing a teacher or learning but simply a matter of remembering and knowing who & what we are....that connected to spirit/creator/god, we already know everything we need to know?

:hug: good thoughts indeed, oxbow.
DR

[NMDemDist2]

35. thanks DR, you articulated what I was feeling

i, too, used the think life was "lessons" but that just doesn't work for me anymore.

it's more about "ye reap what ye sow" than "what goes around comes around"

[Desertrose]

36. So...makes ya wonder what was sown in Phx to be so dang dry...

:hi:AZDem
Did you guys ever get any rain yet? we were blessed with a whole .29" the other day.

How ya doing??:hug::loveya:
DR

Did you see Michael Sharp has his new "Book of Light" out? Another good one from Michael.

[NMDemDist2]

37. well.. it is a desert

:rofl:

not a drop of rain for over 100 days.......

i'm closing my business next month (or by March 15th at the latest) so I'm somewhat at loose ends and working through the grieving process on that.

thanks for the MS book, I downloaded the pdf and will check it out. just in time I'll bet....."funny" how that works huh?

:rofl:

[Desertrose]

38. You are sticking around the city?

Sorry to hear about your biz...things are definitely tough...its super slow here right now.,,,hoping it'll pick up in another month or so...it "used to"...but that was before *.
sigh.

Glad ya got Michael's book...lemme know what ya think...:)
:hug::loveya:
DR

[NMDemDist2]

39. for a little bit more, we have some loose ends we need to tie up

before we can sell the house and move to higher ground.

hopefully the Phoenix housing market will hang in there a few more months.....