From a spiritual perspective, how does one explain a sociopath?

[Grateful for Hope]

I was watching Lifetime today, and that was a mini marathon on Diane (lastname?) who murdered one of her three children, and crippled the other two resulting from an attempt to kill all three of them.

Apparently, she also lied about her past...accused her father of being a tyrant and molesting her. She later recanted on the molestation charges.

At least in the television portrayal of her, she was incapable of feeling remorse or empathy.

I have a Master's degree in psych (research-related, but, we had to also study pathology), and, I do know that there is really no good explanation of the etiology of this phenomenon -- and, largely, merely a description of the pathology is provided.

While I watched the movies, I found myself feeling very sorry for Diane. She obviously did not have any idea how it felt to love and be loved. (But, hey, I sometimes feel sorry for Bush...go figure).

So, my question here is if anyone knows of a spiritual explanation (i.e., "drop in", past-life experiences, etc.) that would explain this type of pathology?

Thank you all in advance!

[LiberalEsto]

1. Maybe she is working out her karma

from a past life. If that were the case, it must be one hell of a ghastly karmic past.

Of course that doesn't excuse what she did. I prefer to think that she is a severely ill individual, defective in having no empathy.

[Grateful for Hope]

2. I value what you are saying

Thank you!

But, what I am really asking is generic. What causes some of our children to have no concept of love -- either to experience it or to be able to give it back?

[crikkett]

25. abuse?

"What causes some of our children to have no concept of love -- either to experience it or to be able to give it back?"

[cassiepriam]

3. From a karmic perspective it can be many reasons.

There are about 30 types of karma and it would depend upon which one this lady is working on!

That is why "one size fits all" answers don't really work very well.
But some of the reasons according to karmic theory:

She has been an offender in many past lives and in this life she was supposed to learn to overcome her rage and acting out behavior. In this life she was supposed to turn it all around. (this is supposed to be the kind of karma Bush is working on. Many past lives as a bad leader, was supposed to get it right in this life.)

She has been a victim in a past life, and needed to experience the energy and feelings of an offender. As a way to balance out her self pity and martyrdom roles. To understand that things are not black or white, that perhaps offenders have been abused themselves.

Or she volunteered to take on some karma for someone else as a gift, and a way to obtain grace.

She is part of a soul group who made a pact to work on victim/offender issues. Someone in her soul group for example may be working on victim issues and she volunteered to act as the offender to help her soul mate learn some life lessons.

Often times soul groups incarnate together over and over again. They can work on the same dynamic over many lives. And the various souls can switch roles. In a past life a man murders his wife. In this life the wife hurts him back. And on and on. The point it to finally heal the damage and let it all go. That releases the karma and you don't have to keep acting it out life after life. And usually the natal chart will tell you what is happening if you look at the interaspects.

There are many more reasons but you get the drift.

And yes from the human perspective we don't really know why someone becomes a sociopath. Can be from childhood abuse, neglect or trauma of some sort. That damages the ability to have normal empathy. Or perhaps due to some brain defect or injury that makes a person unable to experience normal empathy. Some are thinking it has to do with frontal lobe defects. And along with rage that cannot be controlled.

[DemExpat]

4. Well said, Cassie,

You stated my view (with more knowledge of karmic relationships) so well I have nothing to add to this. :-)

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

6. There are many books written that explain the answer better than I could!

I just gave a very short answer. If any body is interested I can recommend a very good book, one that is nice and easy to read.

[I Have A Dream]

7. I'd like to hear about it. n/t

[cassiepriam]

10. I just looked at my copy, not short, but easy to read and covers

the whole range of karmic issues. Such as: types of karma, karmic themes, karmic causes, karma of suffering, karmic disease, work, relationships, and karmic consequences.

Judy Hall is a past life regressionist and karmic astrologer, but this book contains no astrology, so it is suitable for everyone.

You can buy it at Amazon.

Way of Karma (Paperback)
by Judy Hall

[I Have A Dream]

11. Thanks, cassie. I'd definitely like to check this out. n/t

[DemExpat]

8. Well, your short answer encompassed the

main points of my understandings and learnings, I know there are many more elaborate answers out there....:-)

:hi:

DemEx

[Grateful for Hope]

12. Thank you very much, Cassie, for this wealth of info

I guess I was hoping for a simple answer, but, as with most things, there isn't one.

I just wonder how anyone can progress in this lifetime if that person lacks basic things like ability to feel remorse, ability to empathize, etc.

[cassiepriam]

15. There are no simple answers it seems on earth or in heaven

for most things! That is why I am usually skeptical of simplistic type approaches.

To answer your question about how someone would progress as a sociopath again depends upon the reason they came back in that role.

But one short answer is that we are all born with challenges, tendencies toward some sort of problematic personality issues. Maybe a tendency toward drugs, alcohol, escapism, or passivity, whatever. We chose our bodies, our family, all of it. To learn the lessons we want to learn, or to keep some karmic agreements with our soul group.

The karmic challenge is to overcome these issues and do the right thing.

We are meant to transcend our human frailties and foibles and speak to our Higher Selves. Not succumb to the lower common denominator.

Some are born with seemingly everything against them. Physical, mental, family, poverty etc. But they overcome all of that to be good people and live a life of love, service, following universal law.

Others are born with it all, looks, wealth, family, etc. But they blow it. And live in the dark side of their natal chart.

[Thirtieschild]

46. Others are born with it all, looks, wealth, family, etc But they blow it.

And sometimes they come back determined NOT to blow it. My granddaughter has it all - she's magazine-cover beautiful, brilliant, an incredibly talented writer, has a rich father, a scintillating personality and she's nice. When she was six weeks old a psychic friend said she was going to have it all and was determined not to blow it this time.

Case in point: When she was 15 her sister told her she'd heard she was the most popular girl in the sophomore class. After denying it several times, she finally said, "Okay, I could be, but I don't want to be. To be the most popular I'd have to hang around with girls who are jerks, who treat everyone badly, and it's not worth it." How many of us would have all but sold our souls to be most popular when we were 15?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. From a physical and spiritual perspective

I hang around healers and doctors, and from what I have picked up from them, here's what I would say:

Inability to feel emotions, etc, can be connected to an inability to absorb certain vitamins, and also an inability to get rid of toxins in the body the way most folks do. I don't know about sociopaths, but this is often the case with autistic people. Also, there can be some spirit inhabiting them that causes a lack of empathy or normal human feelings. (And yes, I know people who work on sending these spirits on their way-and no, its not for big bucks or fame, and no, they don't want publicity)

[Grateful for Hope]

13. This is interesting

And, it is more in my line of thinking as it does seem to me, as I mentioned in a previous post, that it would be very difficult for a soul to progress lacking basic abilities in this lifetime.

I also worry that we may have some such individuals in very powerful political positions.

[bliss_eternal]

9. Oh, was Small Sacrifices on Lifetime today?

with Farrah Fawcett as Diane Downs? I'm kind of bummed I missed it. I liked that movie. I thought Farrah did a great job portraying a sociopath. It was also such a fascinating story. It blew me away that Diane Downs would try to kill her own children to get what she wanted in life... :scared:

I also appreciated seeing that the children got a family healthy parents that could love them when it was all over. I've got to read the actual book one of these days.

I don't think it's odd that you felt badly for Diane. I think that's admirable that you can. I kind of bounced back and forth between disliking her a great deal and wondering what had happened in her past that attributed to her being the way she was. It wasn't really clear in the Lifetime movie if she really was abused by her father. One of the other reasons I've wanted to read the book.

[Grateful for Hope]

14. Yes, this was the movie

and, like you, I would like to read the book. Farrah Fawcett did a remarkable job, IMHO.

Thank you for your kinds words -- it is sometimes difficult for me because I tend to emapathize too much with others at times.

[stellanoir]

16. Okay I agree that there are no simplistic explanations.

Yet from my observation and experiences and having had the misfortune of encountering more than a couple of these sorts if I was to venture a basic explanation it would be this.

They often feign good intentions but have no conscience whatsoever.
They do not feel guilt so the negative repercussions of the havoc and carnage they leave in their wakes is often seemingly pushed into the next lifetime.

So go figure.

[Cerridwen]

17. Thank you for asking this! And thanks to all for the answers!

I was wondering something similar a couple of days ago.

I finally watched "Schindler's List." I'd avoided it because I tend to react badly to such examples of extreme hatred, evil...call it what you will. Anyway, the question running through my head was, in what form did Hitler's soul return to this planet? What Karmic Contract was he embodying? Does this kind of soul ever heal?

Now we're watching "I, Claudius" and I wonder much the same about many of the Roman aristocracy. Caligula has just cut out his child from his sister/wife's body. Is it the man who is insane or is it his soul? Are they separate? In what form did he return to earth? What about Livia? Tiberius? Oh, you get the idea.

[DemExpat]

19. My strong feeling is that it is the man who is insane

not the soul. Souls IMO are light, love, and strength (in variations) even when they are on a mission to carry out something the essence is not insane or evil, but something gets twisted along the way, bad choices, not taking responsibility, not having the strength to learn what really is needed.
I know there are many ideas about karma, but this is my understanding at this point in my life and from what I have seen in myself and others.

Astrologically the woman who drew up our Birth Charts assured me that nobody is born under a bad sign (when I brought this question up in a moment of self-pity:-)) - that every lifetime's Horoscope has strengths and weaknesses, gifts and burdens. We all go through periods and lifetimes of experiencing it all IMO.

Agreed, though, sometimes it really does seem to get incredibly out of hand, but that also has almost as much to do with those people/souls around these people who enable them to carry out their deeds, or who have had a hand in shaping the youngster in human form in the early years.....

I think it is very complex and not to reduce to simply one person, or soul's "fault".

Funny, though, I do take personal credit for the positive things I have manifested in my life, while it took me a very long time to take credit for the negative as well....:-)

What is called for is a balanced view of personal energy crediting/'blame' as well as help or hindrance from others. (Spiritual and in living form here on earth)

DemEx

[Cerridwen]

20. Thank you DemEx for taking the time to respond.

I agree with much of what you said. And your comments directed me to think in another direction; or perhaps to make clear the direction in which I was thinking. I do hope my previous post didn't sound like I was fault finding or trying to assign blame. For once, I think I wasn't standing in judgement. I'm actually trying to explore my own feelings of being soulsick using these more extreme (and psuedo-fictional) characters as mirrors.

I too believe the Soul/Self/Consciousness to be light, love and strength. What, I wonder, happens when the person/ego/lower-case self, sets out on a path incompatible with or contrary to the Soul's path? Or if the person incarnates into a family/system/society which denies the needs of the Soul? Is the result insanity? Sickness?

To answer my own question, yes, yes I think that insanity and sickness would be the result. And if there are several or many people who "deny" their Souls' purpose, then I believe, we have an insane and sick family/system/society.

While I guess I could, or others could, use this as a way to blame people for their misfortunes and hardship, I find I'm more inclined to wonder how it is I can help bring more people to consiousness rather than to try and judge myself and others. Wow! I think I just had a breakthrough! LOL I come from a very judgemental family and I've "taken on" that personality type in spite of my best efforts. Perhaps, for today, I'll try to stay in wonder rather than in judgement.

You struck a chord with me when you said "I do take personal credit for the positive things I have manifested in my life, while it took me a very long time to take credit for the negative as well" as I have always taken the blame for the negative in my life but rarely taken credit for the positive. It's yet another manifestation of early programming to judge and be judged.

Well, I've gone way off topic here. Mostly what I wanted to say was "Thank you!" Your words have helped me to process more pieces of my personal path towards healing.

Cerridwen

[DemExpat]

21. Cerridwen....

I love the freedom and openness of this little forum, for from everybody here I learn a a lot each time I come here!

That's what this forum allows for - free-flowing thoughts on our experiences and learnings which in turn may spark someone else's.....

Glad my musings stuck a chord with you today here, and I did not at all get the feeling that you were busy judging and blaming.

We here are all trying to understand some complex and "hidden" to our consciousnesses stuff that would give the promise of more complete understanding of what makes us and everything else tick!

:hug:

DemEx

[Cleita]

38. Something about Caligula. He started out being a reasonably

good emperor, but came down with a near fatal fever. When he recovered, it was then that bad Caligula emerged. So it seems that the fever affected something in his brain. It could be that psychopaths and sociopaths have something missing in their brains that doesn't allow them feel empathy for others. It could be that it's their karma to inflict harm on victims and that the victims are here working on their karmas as victims.

:shrug:

In parochial school the nuns taught that sometimes God is working through us in ways that we don't understand. So that when bad things happen that we have no control over, we should trust that God has a reason for this and that it will be revealed to us either in this life or in the afterlife. Also, there is the element of free will and people who can't feel the suffering of others, should be able to intellectually come to the conclusion that hurting someone is wrong and that they shouldn't do it.

[peacetalksforall]

41. The way you phrased this connects with my only thought-answer to the

question. Might there be a parallel to our physical DNA genes that applies to soul-spirit DNA 'genes'? Ancestors are very important in other belief systems. Maybe it's only in stories, but don't many societies aspire to higher beliefs, thus lifestyles relating to and interacting with others, because of knowledge of their ancestor heritage? Their soul-spirit DNA would be faciliated by the heritage of transfer and reinforced by those around them? One of the soul-spirit DNA genes would apply to self-dignity? Thus, we may be deficient in a parallel way and evolution is a purpose? Very fragile thought - definitely not scientific. Only borrows.

[cassiepriam]

45. Yes it goes something like what you are saying.

Soul DNA, Ancestral DNA, Collective DNA, Body DNA.
(that is only a small part of it all.)

...... All crammed into one body and one soul.

Actually I think it is layered in the aura somehow.

I keep trying to figure out how it could be done on a technical basis. To do that, I have to brain storm with some of the computer experts here on this forum. Very interesting idea.

[Cerridwen]

50. Race memory?

Could this be a form of what I and many others refer to as race memory? A storage container within our DNA or soul-spirit DNA of what has gone before; of past lives; of past lessons; of past hurts? Perhaps, since time is not linear except in how we view it, perhaps we even have race memory of future events; potentialities; future lessons learned, etc? Memories of past and future?

That was my first thought when I read your post (finally, I haven't been checking on my posts lately).

Could race memory or what you call soul-spirit DNA be what it is that results in so many people appearing to have the visceral reactions to events? For example; an overwhelming feeling that we are "all in this together" and a feeling of coming together in Consciousness at one and the same time. A growing awareness that monumental change is in the air? 25,000 years of lifetimes on this planet lived and shared with who knows how many more thousands of years of lifetimes in our future.

Future memories. It could explain the intense fear I feel in the world around me these days. The feelings of fear have replaced the rage which I was inundated with up until only a few short months ago. As if those whose world view is so narrowly defined for them know, I mean really KNOW that their values will be proved wrong, anti-survival, counter-productive and are about to be replaced by more Conscious ways of living and Being in our world. They appear to be coming out of a rage so intense I'm surprised they weren't eaten alive by it. It's recently been replaced with such fear, intense, overwhelming, mind-numbing fear. It's as if their whole world, their very being is being attacked. They hang on as one dangling on the side of a cliff, the rocks below known but unseen. It is gradually being replaced by a profound sadness, of things lost, of things once desired and now seen as undesirable, of thoughts and acts committed in error and wrong-heartedness, of un-mindfully harming others and that they have contributed to some of the most horrific acts in our short human history.

Aw well, I went off-topic a bit...again.

edit: forgot to spell check

[I Have A Dream]

18. Another possibility is a soul that has repeatedly refused...

to walk in the light. I don't think that all sociopaths are because of this (I think some are karmic lessons and others might have physical causes), but I think that some people are sociopaths because they've almost snuffed out the light that is within them during repeated incarnations.

[Grateful for Hope]

22. Interesting thought

And, it does make some sense.

Thank you!

[oxbow]

23. I've done some past life work...

I know that I've murdered and been murdered, and I can see how both those things have affected my present life. The person who I killed in a past life for example, came back as someone who abused me in this life.

As DemExpat said, soul groups are involved, and we as a group are working out our karma now. As far as I know, I am the first one to have awakened, so it's incumbent on me to do what I can for the others.

Still, we all have a choice. I was abused, and though that brought out urges to abuse others in me, I didn't. I was killed violently, and though that left karmic scars, I am healing myself with God's help. We can choose to overcome our past or be vicitmized by it, but in the end, tho choice is ours to make. Of course, knowing what happened to us in the past helps. But even without that knowledge, we are still strong enough to choose...

[rumpel]

24. Just from observation

I have not seen the program, but my ex is a sociopath (and I think bush is one, too). He has absolutely no remorse, exploits others for his own gain and belittles everyone for his own pleasure. He is very defensive of his own birth family, not relatives, but only his immediate family and there seem to be some secrets in the family.
I had asked a therapist once; "how can someone do these things?" and she said: this is what we call a "criminal mind".

I had many years to think about the why and how he is the way he is and this is what I observed.
Generally, I think sociopaths, could have experienced some trauma related to deprivation in childhood. This could be perceived trauma or factual.
Abandonment, some sort of abuse or public shame resulting in the loss of trust in the parents or not feeling loved perhaps?
He had spoken of his father having to send his family to the "countryside", because he could not make ends meet. Later this man was very successful and pretty much spoiled the kids rotten. He also spoke of his shock upon learning of a mistress and a half brother. I personally suspect there is more and something worse.

In order to compensate for the deprivation experienced as a helpless child, the sociopath tries to control his environment at all cost, lying, stealing, violent outbursts, deceiving etc. He feels entitled, may also have a hidden inferiority complex and thus places value on material things not relationships.
Quite charming and funny, he makes a good impression for a while, is very calculating and he controls others through undefined fear.
So, I do believe you are right, it may ultimately be deprivation of real love in early childhood, and I believe it is still possible that she experienced some form of trauma.

Spiritually, I believe depending on the choices the soul makes, you could experience tremendous growth, empathy and resilience under such tremendous pain. Some choose to confront their pain and will grow up and help others, some crumble under the pain and choose to close their heart and victimize others. But for a child it must take exceptional strength to overcome any unresolved issues without a supportive environment.

[DemExpat]

43. Well said, and I share similar observances

of personal experiences and of others in my family and friends circles.

DemEx

[jokerman93]

26. Spirituality, the Feral Child and the LH Path

I love questions like this! Great post Hope2006.

There's a side to all this - actually a few sides - that come to mind for me here.

But before that - in terms of the real "sociopaths" referred to in the OP. My take is that occurrence of so-called sociopaths in human society is simply a habit of nature. That there are atavistic variations of every "consciousness" out there is Nature's way. A human body doesn't necessarily express a crowned human consciousness. If you want to frame it in occult terms, elementals can embody in human form as readily as any other. And elementals can be ferocious, seductive and extremely dangerous. This doesn't make them evil or even spiritually un-evolved - merely of a different order - existing entirely within the framework of the Natural order, and a legitimate part of the whole. If we use an ethnocentric psychological, moral or religious compass to judge the spirituality of another, we're likely going off on a wrong vector from the beginning anyway.

Then there's this: Some children, born with all the sensibilities of a potentially complete human being, grow up in severe "sociopathic" environments. They learn their social behavior from the ones (often true sociopaths) who create those environments. These children grow up using behavior patterns you might call pseudo-sociopathic, or even "feral" in a certain sense of the word. They simply were not trained to, and don't know the "rules" of the society they were born into. Add to this "wild child" scenario an emotional vocabulary that's been severely limited by the narrow range of expression they knew early on, and you may very well end up with a person who for all appearances seems sociopathic. When too much of the wrong kind of pressure is applied to these people, they can become dangerous. No doubt.

If they're lucky enough to be resourceful and creative though, they may eventually learn the rules of social discourse and acquire a wider range emotional expression. Though by that time it might be a little late to psychically separate the wolf entirely from the child. And probably it's not possible or even desirable for such a person to ever adopt any real respect for conventionality.

Spiritually, such people need teachers, guides, and social environments that allow for exceptional discernment and sensitivity. Our fast-food, acquisitive culture doesn't encourage this much and such people are often given the wrong medicine for what ails them. Personally, I don't spend much time wondering about seed karmas or "past life" scenarios generated by the brain to give a snapshot of the pattern. It's easier, I think, to simply approach the issues practically instead of mystifying them too much. Patterns continue until there's enough new information for them to be changed. Such people often merely need a competent source of reliable information and feedback they can trust - as well as the sheer luxury of the time it takes to integrate all of what was missed early on.

The struggle to draw out one's own submerged humanity sometimes becomes the path for these people - one that can be fraught at times with terrific psychological and physical danger. If these people are of a "spiritual" nature they may take what's sometimes referred to in broad terms as the left-hand path - a much despised and misunderstood subject. If they survive the harsh metal-on-metal, earth-on-earth process, they can emerge eventually with unique and unusual inner faculties, a compassionate and passionate heart (and also some less endearing qualities, but that's life in the wilderness for you :-)). Despite conventional wisdom, the middle path isn't always the correct path for every "being". And as is usually the case when we judge such people, it says more about us than it does about them.

Ironically, everything that the "feral" individual witnesses and participates in along the way of such a life path can become invaluable resources for the community that once tended to reject them. If the patterns of myth have anything to teach us about life, then it's safe to say that such people who survive these lesser known pathways can be, and are, strong allies in the immense transformation of consciousness taking place all around us now.

So...have you hugged your sociopath today?

Yadda Yadda Yadda,
B-)
J

[lildreamer316]

27. Been wanting to ask this question; thank you.

I just kept forgetting; damn ADD.

I tend to get angry at people who haven't "woken up"; so to speak. I know that is a bad reaction; but I think that I have been strong-willed when it came to being true to my soul's mission; and I guess sometimes it is hard for me to understand ppl who aren't like me. It's as if I assume that everyone is aware of the higher self and that I think they all act accordingly; and when they don't; I'm surprised. It comes across as being naieve or "blonde"; and it has gotten me into trouble a few times--fortunately; I always seem to muddle out unharmed. I see it this way: either you step up and stay true to the challenges you set yourself before incarnation; or they overwhelm you and you give in to the easy way out--if that makes any sense. I need to deal with my impatience with those who I perceive as "lazy" for not living up to their true selves. I 'm working on it............and I hope this does not come across as self-righteous or such. I AM a Leo; despite being slightly on the cusp..:eyes:

[DemExpat]

28. I see this also as something to learn to deal with, as you seem to

be doing, lildreamer. Anger management, meditation techniques/practice might help here.

I'm pretty fiery about similar things too, but my rants usually only come out if I feel that the behavior of others who are not aware of what they are doing causes harm to others. :grr:

Those Leos can be like that, that is for sure!
:D

:hug:

DemEx

[lildreamer316]

36. Thanks...

somedays, as the lovely one said in the next reply; I want to scream "EVOLVE already!!'
Breathe.
Thank goodness I live with my family on the outskirts of town and stay home with the baby. I'd probably be screaming alot more.

Actually; all jokes aside; I think the impatience with BS is a good thing for me right now.I spent a lot of time growning up and in my 20s putting up with being walked all over and snowed under by people I loved. Now I'm learning to see what is REALLY going on, and not to put up with it. Part of my life lesson; I believe.

I'll get to the happy medium soon.:D

[cassiepriam]

31. I think of Earth as a soul school, every one is in a different grade.

And I try to not get angry at the first graders for not knowing calculus or physics. But I admit it is not easy. I want to shout: evolve already!

[cassiepriam]

35. PS However

I believe we incarnated as humans to feel human feelings.
And I think that when we see grave injustice or wrong doing we should feel negative feelings. That is what separates us from the sociopaths who feel nothing.

But it is a question of balance, and learning how to handle it all in healthy and appropriate ways. I love the quote from Edgar Cayce: Be in anger, but not in sin.

I do a lot of meditating, praying and reading. And working as much as I can to help others. It all helps.

And keep in mind that we are all in a very karmic time, we are here right now to learn some very hard lessons. And we all need to work our lessons, and let others work theirs. Of course, easy to say, hard to do!

[yellerpup]

29. My first time in this forum

Interesting question, well-reasoned compassionate replies. What a gift! Thanks!:hi:

[cassiepriam]

32. Welcome yeller. Please join our discussions if you wish.

I confess, the spiritual side is only one side of me. If you want to see anger and lack of compassion, see my posts in the GD,GDP. I can really let it rip when it comes to *. I have to say a prayer so God forgives me :(

[yellerpup]

37. Thanks cassiepriam

I find I have to pray constantly for forgiveness with all the hateful thoughts I've been having since November 2003. I thought of this forum late, late into the night last night after attending a friend's book signing party. I was thinking of how groups choose to be incarnated together--which is a concept I had not heard much about before--and quietly meditating on those in my circle, both good and bad (not to be too judgemental, I hope) have been and are now affecting my life at this time. What a journey! Thanks for the invitation. I will be joining in for more discussions in the future. Oh yeah, ** can piss off a saint, so don't beat yourself up too badly! :hi:

[I Have A Dream]

39. Welcome to the forum, yellerpup!

:hi:

[yellerpup]

40. Happy to be here.

:hi:

[cassiepriam]

42. My faith has helped me a great deal during this dark night of the soul

called the Bush Cabal. But I still have anger and angst about it all.
I do not beat myself up too much. My comment was a bit tongue in cheek.

I do know that we are all here to learn some lessons, and all of this is happening for a reason. And it will all work out in the end as they say. May take eons. But we will evolve eventually. I am learning some very hard lessons every day.

That said, I know in my heart and soul that I will never ever get to a point where I can ignore and not feel pain when in the presence of such evil. It will hurt me always and it should. But that is part of my evolution as a soul.

[Grateful for Hope]

30. I want to thank all of you who responded to this thread

I am amazed and in awe of the depth of knowledge this group contains.

Thank you very much, everyone!!

:toast: :grouphug:

[cassiepriam]

33. Thank you Hope and everyone. This is such a great forum.

I love all the open discussion. What a blessing.

[Grateful for Hope]

34. Yes, Cassie, it truly is,

:hi:

[Ecumenist]

44. I'd say she's a classic example of a "Witterschlantz", (sp?)

She hasn't got a soul, at least not a human one. WE believe that there are some bodies that are issued, for one reason or another, the souls of what most would characterise as daemonic or discarnate souls. These sorts are noticeable from early childhood as being extraordinarily cold, no empathy or feeling. for another living things.

[Thirtieschild]

47. Cut off from the higher self, terrified & therefore emotionally dead

How does that happen? My take is that when we are threatened - physically, emotionally - we close down, e.g., the kick in the gut when we are shocked. And sometimes we slam shut so violently that we can't open up again. If we carry that into another life, we may eventually find ourself isolated from who we really are and dead emotionally. When Ted Bundy was executed I wondered if electrocution was necessary for his soul growth - that the shock might boost his onto a higher level.

Pure speculation, of course.

[DemExpat]

48. This is my guess based on experience and observation

Disorganized.....

I also believe that sociopaths are more extremely shut off from emotions, feelings, higher self, our truth, than many of us here reperesenting mankind.
I even believe that many people with mental health problems are actually "healthier" than many who go through life as if everything is A-OK and under control....at least they are to some degree in touch and are more honest.

just my speculation too. :-)

DemEx

[Thirtieschild]

49. Agree re mental health and. spiritual health

I may have mentioned this before - I'm sometimes repetitive and repeat myself - but I once went with a good friend to visit her son who was in the middle of a psychotic breakdown. When he's in recovery, he says that the breakdowns feel like a spiritual trip. I wouldn't go that far, would call them psychic trips. I sensed a complete disintegration of his personality, as if a necessary protection had dissolved and he was wide open to everyone and everything, that he was picking up the thinking, feeling of everyone around him, the other patients, the staff, visitors, people driving down the street. A good comparison would be if we lost our skin - there would be nothing to contain our muscles, organs, etc. In the case of this family (and psychosis runs rampant with this particular DNA) I suspect that the culprit is drugs - that they have some kind of allergy and even one puff of a marijuana cigarette sends them over the edge.

Once again, pure speculation.

[seabeyond]

51. free will. i believe some people totally embrace their ego and purposely

shut off spirit to not hear. i believe spirit is always their to guide them, and they refuse to not listen, be connected to spirit allowing them any behavior in the 3d world.


and i think there are a whole lot of different reasons for that

karma i have walked away from. i have learned that nothing has control over free will and to be free of karma, is to go beyond into the 5d of life. then it is no longer being a part of the 3d world that karma has hold of so as far os the action reaction of karma.

[leanin_green]

52. So many so-called spiritual answers fail to take into consideration. . .

personal resonsibility for actions taken in this life and prior lives. Karma is necessarily the results of cause and effect. We reap that which we sow. It really IS that simple!

The sociopath is a soul that has embarked upon the path of service to self to the exclusion of everyone else. They are essentially egocentric in nature with no compunctions to be of service to anyone or anything, save their own needs and desires. Within this spiritual distortion(rather a lack of spirit)these souls see others as a means to their own desired ends. If a person is an obstruction(be it ordinary people, their own children, what have you)to what is desired, then these obstructions are dispatched without remorse. Oftentimes these souls spent lives as despotic rulers where their word was law and their desires the object to be met by those they ruled.

They lack compassion or understanding of the needs and suffering of others. They are the Sun and all revolve around them. It is Leo run amuck.

It is easy for the spiritually-minded to place compassionate, understanding tomes upon the meaning of such evil. But they are only coloring the subject from their own spiritual perspective. There is evil in the universe and it has a face. If there is to be any understanding of such souls, let it be this, that they have chosen the course that they find themselves on and that it is the sole responsibility of that soul for the actions and consequences of that course. While many equate spirituality with the seeking of understanding and knowledge of the divine, there is an equally divergent path of spirituality that seeks understanding of the darker forces of our nature. There is power there too. However, ultimately this path lead to destruction.