Mars conjunct Saturn 8-degrees Leo on the 17th

[Matariki]

And square Jupiter in Scorpio to boot.

The sparks sure are flying here in the GD. Anyone notice other tensions around them?

[BlueIris]

1. In my life, it feels not so much like tension as paralysis.

Which is appropriate.

[lildreamer316]

2. Ain't that the truth..

I mean in general; not as it applies to you.
Everything here seems to be in stasis.
Patiently waiting.............

[LaurenG]

3. Kineta

What does it mean exactly when Mars conjuncts Saturn 8-degrees Leo and square Jupiter in Scorpio to boot?

I know that I've had enough negativity around here to last me for the rest of my life. lol I have been getting bits of news about stuff that I can do NOTHING about. Is that what it does?

[stellanoir]

4. Although you didn't direct this question to me I felt

like chiming in anyway.

"stuff that I can do NOTHING about" pretty much summarizes the nature of this aspect.

Of course it'll vary wildly depending house placement in all of our charts and lives.

I know I've typed this before in this forum but I can't say it enough.

A Mars Saturn conjunction is akin to feeling as though you have to go sculp Mt Rushmore equipped only with a plastic butter knife. The tasks at hand are often dauntingly overwhelming and it is often fraught with more than a modicum of frustration.

Mars in its healthiest essence, rules free will and the sense that one is a unique individual who can make a difference in the world. Though notorious for being the "god of war," that is an aberration of its expression as conflict generally results only after and in reaction to a violation of one's core essence.

Saturn is the archetypal authority figure and rules the laws of physical reality, conformity, commitment, legalities, responsibilities, familial obligations, work, amongst other weighty things.

So the merging of the two influences that rule individuality and conformity respectively, can certainly create more than a little angst.

Ideally this can result in redirecting and reassessing one's priorities in terms of what is worthy of one's time and effort and what really is not.

The Jupiterian square to that aspect whilst that planet approaches it's station can create some extraneous malaise as external opportunities don't exactly feel as though they are looming very large and somewhat illusive. Introspection and reflection is far more advisable currently.

Things will lighten up in many regards by July 7th, though Mercury will go retro on the 4th. It's sort of like one step forward and a half step back.

[LaurenG]

5. Thank you for the information!

Well, misery loves company as the old saying goes, lol. At least we're in some good company!

[Pathwalker]

6. Well, I'm not happy about it, let me tell you!

The Mars/Saturn conjunction opposes my natal Moon, exactly. EXACTLY. Which means the Jupiter square creates a T-square for me. So, I will be spending the entire next week stuck in my house, unable to let the sun TOUCH me anywhere. This spring I planted over 400 seeds, all healthy wonderful plants now. I have planted, or given away all but 50 of them, but the rest are now sitting on my porch, crying for my attention, but I won't be able to talk to them, water or feed them, except by moonlight. This # does not include the 30 Spruce trees we purchased to line our property, that need to be put in the ground.

But at least I'll be able to see clearly again, for awhile anyway.

I think these aspects will nationaly mean some shocking Supreme Court decisions. What do the rest of you think?

[BlueIris]

9. If you need validation for your upcoming "shocking SCOTUS rulings"

prediction, just check out the individual charts of any of the justices on the Court. Alito's is especially interesting. In my amateur's view, it looks like he's going to be under a great deal of stress between late July and late August. My guess (while knocking on wood) is that he decides to rule in an entirely unexpected way which makes him most unpopular with the neo-cons.

[jbnow]

7. bush's Mercury

is at 9 Leo, his AC at 7 Leo so Mars/Saturn will be right on the midpoint, hitting both.

Chiron is part of this too...opposite Mars/Saturn at 9 Aquarius and squaring Jupiter at 9 Scorpio.

Mars is the lesser malefic and Saturn the greater malefic (in ancient astrology terms. Mars is about assertion and aggression, frustrated by Saturn...this doesn't have to be bad...but bush will feel that pressure more than many because it's best dealt with using a bit of humility. Across from this is the wounded warrior, Chiron...and bush isn't great at looking at his own woundedness. Jupiter makes it all "bigger". Jupiter expands. In this case it is expanding stress.

To add to this on that day the Sun and Pluto are in partile opposition at 25 Gemini and Sagittarius.

Then the North Node is at 0 Aries...the power point (and obviously the Aries point). It's about to change signs.

Some strong energy.

I haven't looked at the summer solstice chart yet but it is just a few days later.

[Matariki]

8. as I understand it - Saturn and Jupiter cycles affect the bigger picture

of politics and world events. not to mention that a country's leader's chart can affect the whole country. This is not a good astro-configuration for bush.

Saturn and Jupiter square is part of the cycle, adding Mars on top of that makes me think this could be a volatile week.

[u4ic]

10. I've got the Mars/Saturn

conjunct my natal Venus. (square Jup, and opposite Chiron)x(

I've been feeling terribly lonely lately. :-( Paralyzed, a few posts up, is bang on.

[Matariki]

11. saturn transiting venus can do that -

make you feel lonely, that is. hang in there, it will pass.

[u4ic]

12. Thanks

It's a weird energy, conjunct my natal Venus in Leo in the 5th, square T Jupiter in the 7th, and opposite T Chiron in my 11th.

My feelings seem magnified, maybe because the social houses are involved.

[ccpup]

13. Great!

So I'm not the only one going crazy with pent-up frustration, loneliness and an overwhelming sense of NOT knowing what to do? (and for a 0 degrees Aries Sun/Aries degrees North Node, that's highly unusual!) The Mars-Saturn conjunction happens just over the cusp in my 1st House (thankfully nowhere near my 22Leo Ascendant) and is Trining my Natal Mars (9 Sag) and squaring my MC (10 Taurus). It's felt like Hell recently just trying to see the sunshine through the clouds for me. A project I'm raring to go on is being held up by other people's schedules -- and I need to respect that as there's no other option BUT to respect that -- and even going to the gym, my usual escape, doesn't hold any allure for me. Hopefully after the early July date mentioned above, things will free up a bit and it'll no longer feel like I'm walking through quick-dry cement. LOL

[leanin_green]

14. Really guys, it's not that bad!

This is where traditional astrology does us all a disservice. While true that Saturn can be all the traditional aspects assigned to it, there is a deeper and more meaningful application that I feel needs to be touted out from time to time.

Saturn defines and adds structure to anything it touches. If it didn't you wouldn't have a skeletal system. Rather than seeing the limitations of Saturn, I prefer to see what boundaries are presented to me. For instance: This Saturn/Mars conjunction falls exactly on my Uranus in the 11th. It opposes my Mars and Squares my Neptune/Scorpio. Now Mars would like to aggressively go after what it desires. Saturn is providing a more cautious approach. I recently started a new job that I have great enthusiasm about. I have big ideas(Uranus)about how to accomplish things. But with Saturn and Mars sitting there I am beginning to realize the limitations and boundaries(Saturn)that are present. Now traditionally, with the Mars energy being limited by Saturn, I could react with anger or frustration over what could be perceived as a quelling of my enthusiasm. There has been some of that frustration over how things have been allowed to fall into a state of maintaining the status quo. Rather than rebelling against the limits that present themselves to me(Mars/Leo transit opposition Mars/Aquarius), I have decided to allow for the release point of the opposition(Neptune/Scorpio, 2nd house)to be my guide. So what does this mean?

I could vascillate between rebellion(Mars/Aquarius)against the limitations(Saturn/Mars conjunct Uranus/Leo)and stew in frustration and dissatisfaction with things as they are. Or, I could bring into it Neptunian energy and effect change through steady understanding of the shape of things as they are NOW, knowing that nothing remains static for long. That if I busy myself with what I am good at, function within the boundaries as they are(like water in a vessel), maintain an attitude of service and infuse my work with creativity and an ascetic quality that the work would be its own reward.

If we open ourselves to what Saturn is trying to teach us about limitation, boundaries and a more reasoned approach, we mature(Saturn)and find a more solid foundation from which to act(Mars). This conjunction of Mars and Saturn, depending upon which house they fall, can help us to obtain a greater self-discipline and focused quality to the issues of whatever house they find themselves in. It's all a matter of perspective and a willingness to work within the energies presented to us rather than perceiving them in the time honored tradition of, "Saturn is oppressing me with Mars on my Uranus in my 11th house!" Saturn and Mars does nothing of the kind. They are but symbolic representations of the nature and quality inherent within the quantum field that earth is passing through and the level of its vibrational frequency. We must take responsibility for our own actions within these vibrational shifts and quit crying to the gods that things are happening to us, but rather, because of us.

[jbnow]

16. I agree that "Saturn

is our friend". On an astrology forum I used to get teased that outer planets paid me to be their defender. But I scared myself when I started speaking so well of Saturn. It is not just limitations and frustrations...Saturn is a teacher, a guide, a discipline. Focus. It can be a bit more difficult to handle before our Saturn return but if you take in the lessons of Saturn it really is a gift.

People would see descriptions of Transit Saturn opposite Sun that said things like "29 year low". But I looked back on when I had it...I was in college, had a small child and to me I saw "focused light". It's energy just supported the focus I needed to get through that time well.

It might have been more frustrating if I wanted a party lazy way of life then, Saturn asks for more. But if you have aims, it's a blessing.

I appreciate my Sun's Saturn. It's in the midst of a big Gemini 9th house stellium. He lives up to that stellium...a great love of travel but I see the Saturn energy that could organize the trips efficiently, use the money well, make wise choices as he went to Europe or out west or whatever grand adventures. He thrives on it, he absorbs cultures and languages, but Saturn makes it go well. He has the 9th house Gemini love of learning things of all sorts, but Saturn sat him down to study, get papers done, He has a flirtatious Venus there and adores women, but Saturn helps keep him very honest and when he loves, faithful.

In my chart I have Saturn loosely conjunct my 5th house Scorpio Venus.Now Venus/Saturn is not a "good" conjunction but I love it there. I have the most overly aspected Venus that trines or other happy little aspects most of my chart. Venus in Scorpio is not fluffy but it could have many excesses. Saturn gives just enough restraint. Nothing will take the fun out of a 5th house Venus but Saturn helps her honor limits. It structures my creativity somewhat, brings more honor to romantic flings and Venus sweetens up Saturn when it comes to disciplining children.
Saturn and Mars also exactly trine my Cancer AC. I credit that for stabilizing some of the Cancer over emotional ways.

Well you get the idea. And in transits I have seen it help much more that hurt...though it can be stern if you ignore the lessons. People who know nothing about Saturn or any astrology still respond to the energies. I am almost glad I didn't get into astrology until later in life, Looking back at transits of key days and times is mind boggling. You see the energies you knew nothing about coming to life in the stories of the times.

But I guess I will add one more thing. After I write hear earlier I went to see what one of my favorite astrologers had to say about the time. Eric Francis is this realistic, optimistic guy I always like to read. A friend subscribes to his biweekly horoscopes and letters and shares them. We joke that he has been peeking in our windows. He's very into politics, just a great guy. In the years I have been reading him I have never seen a note like this. He hasn't written more on it, I wasn't sure about sharing it but he has real concern about this period. I'm going to look it back up and come and share. He does point out he could be wrong and hopes that he is. I hope so too. I've never seen a warning/worried type post from him in the last 3 years. Maybe he is so politically weary that it adds angst to his view?

[jbnow]

17. Ok, Eric Francis

started expressing some concern in early May

While it is on different pages on this site he has it all on 1 page here.
http://planetwaves.info/blogframe.html

I'm hearing from many places that something, something big, is UP.

Yeah, something is definitely up.<snip> I've just finished writing the Inner Space horoscope for June and had a long look at the summer solstice chart, on which I based the column. The solstice is connected with the 3/29 eclipse because both involve the change of seasons and 00 Aries being so electrified. In the solstice chart, this has the lunar nodes coming within a tiny fraction of a degree of the Aries Point exactly on the solstice, so the Sun squares the nodes to 1/15th of a degree as it changes signs. This sets off a whole sequence of extremely sensitive previous charts like a kind of domino effect.

And I don't mean just any charts. I mean charts from the summers of (pre 9/11) 2001 and (pre Katrina-Rita) 2005, as well as a very interesting (non eclipse) New Moon exactly on the Aries Point the first day of spring 2004. I have no doubt that there's something brewing in the ethers, and that it's going to affect a lot of people. <snip>

Speaking from the best of my spiritual training that I can offer you, what's most likely to screw up any such plan is that there are too many light workers on the case. There are too many people with genuinely strong connections to Source who are tracking, in truth, stalking every move of the black T-shirts

A week later he is still debating how to look at it. He posts links of those who saw the election of 2000 coming or 9/11. (Robert Zoller, ancient astrology, was talking about it for years before hand, though I am not sure the link goes into all that. Zoller's words were all published or recorded well ahead of time.) You can see those on the May 8th posting.

But still he isn't sure how to see what he is seeing.

Monday, May 8, 2006 | Probability fields
The idea of prediction, though, usually assumes a linear model of time. That model might work like this: You're driving down the highway, you see a sign that says "rest area five miles," you're doing sixty and you know that if you manage to keep going at the same speed, in five minutes you're going to get there and have a coffee. But the universe doesn't really work so simply. Imagine that actually getting to the rest area is one probability. Imagine that getting a flat tire is another. Imagine that there's an exit right before and you can take that exit and go someplace else. Imagine the rest area is closed or out of coffee.

You seem to be in control of some of those probabilities becoming real, and maybe not others. Maybe there's a nail on the road that causes a flat. Maybe you just put new tires on your car and it won't happen. Maybe you have really old tires and it does. You had an opportunity for influence -- earlier -- and may or may have not used it. Maybe, in the present, you have certain opportunities to take avertive action later on. Pretty clearly, you have no influence over whether the manager ordered enough coffee to get through the day.

<snip>
I call these probability fields. There are many potentials; charts (and the cosmos) work on many levels. The question is tuning into the level we need to and working with the energy in the most constructive way. One thing is pretty much certain: we know the transits are coming. But hey we don't know everything.
snip>

Part of the issue is understanding how astrology manifests in 3D, how the various potentials associated with given transits or aspects manifest. Since there are a variety of possible outcomes...there needs to be some way that we choose or some determining factor...some path of manifestation...or some way we relate to the energy that makes the difference. It's like waves at the beach. The exact same wave can drown one person, be something another person dives into and is undisturbed by, and which a third person goes surfing on. Much of what makes the difference is awareness...imagine if we could not see these transits coming.

Then he decided to speak up about his concerns


Sunday, June 11, 2006 | The Day the Sun Stands Still (revised)

LET'S keep a close watch on the date range 6/17 through 6/23 -- with particular emphasis on the 19th and the 22nd. I say this with some concern that we need to take care when reporting potential global trouble spots, so as not to perpetuate the religion of Fearism. This is the little cousin of a religion with a more authoritative name, but he's a little brat and we need to keep an eye on him. However, it's worth bearing in mind that awareness is usually the one deciding factor on the Earth plane, even where luck is involved.

An article has appeared on the front page relating to the upcoming summer solstice, which gives some of the details. I'm now looking at the date range of the Sun's northernmost extreme with new concern, and am corresponding with two of the best mundane astrologers I know and getting back some confirmation. Their methods are a little fancier than mine but we're getting the same basic information: something is up on those dates. Whatever is up involves the supposed killing of al-Zaquawi last week, who has ties to Iran; charts for Iran and Israel are involved. The solstice, as I've been writing here and in other venues (including Astrology Secrets Revealed) is the cosmic trigger. This was covered in an ASR edition called "From Beltane to Solstice" about two months ago; my how spacetime flies.

http://cainer.com/ericfrancis/may5.html

To sum up: the Sun is about to oppose Pluto, then oppose the Galactic Core, then it will square the degree of the extremely powerful Sept. 22 solar eclipse, then it will square the lunar nodes and finally enter Cancer. This sets off a whole stack of Aries Point charts that have been involved with everything we've witnessed in the world from Sept. 11 onward.

The new chart in the mix was for the alleged killing of this guy who is being billed as the leader of "al-Queda in Iraq," al-Zaquawi. The weird thing is that the chart indicated something about to happen -- not something that had already happened. <snip>


What we can do for our society as citizens is a tough call. The best thing, I feel, is to pay attention. Keep your awareness open. Be conscious and stay clear with the ones you love. Keep your personal business up to date. If you're someone who is curious about how the world works, or is in the process of becoming aware how history is being synthesized like so much plastic right now, you can watch the pieces come together.

I suggest picking where you want to be that week and potentially a little while longer, and sticking there. It is just basic responsibility as an astrologer to advise not flying inside those dates. I realize that everyone can't avoid that, but if you can, you might want to consider it. The important thing is this, if you choose to fly, or must do so: follow your intuition. If you hear a voice in your mind that says "stay home," then listen to yourself. Very, very often, there is a loud warning sounded on the psychic fields and many people hear it. If you feel safe, if you feel willing, then go where you need to go.

And look, I could be wrong and I hope I am. We could be wrong; the astrology could be meaningless or signify something later in the season. But, given that I'm noticing something, that I have been for a while, and that two older, better trained and far more experienced astrologers are noticing something, and have been for a while, it would be really stupid of me not to say something; to just neglect to say anything, or to say it in an encrypted, coded way. I say all of this knowing how precious days off are, how rare travel is for many people, and how on any given day, the vast majority of people are perfectly safe. So, once again, once and for always, follow your intuition on those days; do what you feel safe doing. My sense is, if you FEEL safe, the overwhelming chances are, you are safe.

The point of my saying any of this is to both alert people to the astrological weather and to give us a chance to shift the events based on awareness and intention, and we CAN do that if we focus.

The next day

Monday, June 12, 2006 | What's in the Stars
We have many questions to ponder about what to do with astrological information. The mission of Planet Waves is to make that information, all of which is based on interpretation by a human (me and the human astrologers and newswatchers I listen to) as much as it is on objective data, available to you; this way we can at least consider it, and at most apply it and use it to change ourselves and the world in some way.

Astrology is a source of information that world leaders have tapped into for millennia. Now it's available to those who seek it out. But it's not the world from the Almighty; it's not The New York Times; it's an interpretation and an opinion, in the current instance by a guy sitting in a hotel room at 6:40 one Monday morning.

SNIP

So while we seek involvement, many also deny the impact of events. We live and experience life as if nothing matters to us. One thing that's crucial about the charts for June 17-23 is, 1. The involvement of so many past charts that have affected so many people and 2. The presence of astrology that joins us as individuals with the world, with one another and with the largest, widest, deepest turns of history. This is Aries Point stuff. It's related to eclipses, too, since three full strength eclipses, one from 2001 and two from 2006, are involved in the developments
So: all I can tell you is all I've been saying in this space for years -- pay attention: to yourself, to what you learn from your environment, and to your state of mind. Interact with spirit and ask to be protected. Stay in touch with your mission and let that keep you on track, including the mission of loving and caring for the people you're traveling with, and the perhaps more important one of being loved by them.

[Matariki]

18. While this can be true on a personal level -

on a trans-personal, social and political level, 'psychological' astrology doesn't really apply - that's the realm where 'traditonal' astrology is your best predictive tool. And a Mars/Saturn conjuct while also hitting the square of the Jupiter/Saturn cycle has the potential to be explosive.

[KAT119]

15. A simple thought on Mars-Saturn conj. is 1 foot

on the accelerator and 1 on the brake! Yes, frustrations! Maya mentions on her www.daykeeperjournal.com wondrous site that 18-19th June could bring a crisis.

The Washington Post had a recent article re Cheney and 4,000 gov't employees going to undisclosed locations on Monday, June 19th. If this is still "on" certainly hope it's only a drill. The last Cheney "drill" was 9-11...another "drill" was London subway bombing last July 7th (7-7) w/ Guliani advising the Brits on the "drill". You will remember that his 9-11 "drill" Headquarters was in WTC bldg. # 7--far away from the 2 main WTC bldgs. but destroyed any way to hide the "evidence" of their supposed "drill" plans!!

Let Us Pray!!