Is anyone watching the Lisa Williams show on Lifetime TV?

[lavenderdiva]

I caught it yesterday, for the first time. I think it just recently started on Lifetime TV. Lisa Williams is an extremely gifted clairvoyant. I think she's from England, but she's living in the Los Angeles area, and that is where she does the bulk of her work. I was amazed at some of the things she was able to share with those who came to her for answers. I just thought I would throw this out there, and see if anyone else watched, or wanted to...

link: http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/lisawilliams/index.php?gclid=CK-_7N_atYgCFQNrUAod_VTa4Q

[hippiechick]

1. I watched last evening too ...

... interesting. She seems to work in a manner very similar to the clairvoyant I sometimes meet with.

The skeptic in me will reserve judgement for a couple more episodes, though, to make sure she doesn't show any 'John Edward' tendencies.


:hi:

[TNOE]

2. Was it decided somehow

that John Edwards was a fake?

I've watched the Lisa Williams show twice now - she is really amazing. I love when she says "thank you" to the spirits. That just cracks me up - for some reason.

[hippiechick]

3. I don't know about 'officially' decided, but ...

... I think he's a crank. All one has to do is study demographics and assess his audience, and anyone who can think quickly on their feet can be as 'correct' as he is ...

The main reason people go to see him is to contact a dead loved one.
If it's a woman, chances are that loved one is a parent.
Depending on the age group, there are very common illnesses.
He also tosses out very common letters of the alphabet or names, again, given generational demographics.

"I'm getting a male figure ... and an R ... Robert, Richard, Ron ... who died from ... something to do with the chest or heart ..."

Yeah, I could pretty much walk up to anyone at my nearest grocery store and give them that same "reading", and be damn close to accurate.

[jbnow]

4. I have no opinion, just a story

A friend of mine, a nonbeliever, was given a ticket to see John Edward when he was in our state, before he had his show. She went to be polite. The tickets weren't purchased in her name. They got there just before the show started, didn't stand around talking to or near anyone.

It was a crowd of about 200 people. Her own experience was this. He came to her and said he was getting an older lady )common) and then said he was getting the same name twice. Mary and Mary, did it make sense. Mary is a common name but she is 100% Japanese, less common there. After a pause he said one Mary was who was passed over, one was here. My friends name is Mary, her grandmother, her only lost loved one, was named Mary. He was quiet awhile and said this didn't make sense, didn't know if it was names, and repeated some sounds he was "hearing". I can't repeat them but I know she could. It was the Hawaiian words her grandmother use to say to her before sleep every night. He said a couple other things that were right on too, can't remember now, it was years ago.

But she said she was just as impacted at his interactions with other people. He was quite specific, brought odd details that I bet you would never say to people at a grocery store. I don't remember any of those stories now. After the event many in the crowd stayed and talked to each other and hearing their side impressed her even more.

When the show came on she hated it. She said it didn't come across anything like he was in person and she thought it made him look fake.

You mention a grocery store...I have another story. I am not psychic, I don't talk to the dead but I guess sometimes messages get across. I can't say which way...if it's picking up the strong thoughts of a person or picking up the message of the passed.
I was in a grocery store in the freezer aisle. There was this very obese lady I didn't know standing and looking at cheesecake. I went up to her, squeezed and then patted her shoulder and said "You have to get the cheesecake, you know it's August X". I don't remember the date now, but it had no significance to me. I do not go up and touch strangers, I do not tell obese people to buy fattening food. I couldn't figure out why I did any of that when she burst into tears.
It was her daughters birthday, the daughter had passed away the year before. They always had cheesecake on their birthdays. She also said her daughter always touched her shoulder exactly like I had, even same number of pats. She couldn't thank me enough.
It could have been a coincidence, I sure didn't feel like I was picking up or passing on anything. But that happens from time to time. Same odd way, words just fall out of my mouth, I don't even think them first or I would never say them.

More recently I was on a business call to an older lady I'd never talked to before. She mentioned her husband had died several years ago, I gave a normal sympathetic response and we got back to the business talk. As the conversation was ending I heard myself say "Don't worry, you and your husband will dance again and he know it" and thought "What a stupid thing to say". She started crying too. Before he got sick they always went dancing. When he was very ill he told her he wanted to get up while he could and have one more dance. She worried that would be too much for his heart and said they had to wait. He died that night. She said she had grieved every day since that they hadn't had that last dance, that she had let him down not granting his wish. She thought how good it would have been to be in his arms one more time. he was thankful too...feeling it was a message from him and he wasn't angry and would be waiting.

Like I said I don't have psychic skills at all and if I have at these times without knowing it, it could have accidentally been picking up strong thoughts that they were having. But I have to figure that if I've had this experience several times people that are attuned that way, that really are psychic, might really be able to pick up those strong messages on purpose. Just seeing what it meant to the people who thought I was passing on some message I can imagine what it means to people who get some real communication.

I haven't seen this show yet but I'll be looking for it. The few times I watched Edwards I saw better things than you did and remember wishing if he was always that good that more people could experience it. Death really sucks for those left behind. For other reasons I know life goes on (and it still sucks) but for those not sure it would be a lessing to know.

There was another guy I thought was good, don't recall his name but he doodled as he "listened" to the messages. There was another who seemed fake to me though, just like you described. James Van something. Very early on I saw him on a couple shows and he seemed good, specific. Later he had a show and he seemed vague, fake, he drew the information, changed what he said to fit.

Made me wonder if fame or pressure of demands (you have to perform every show) either dims the ability or makes them fake it when they don't get anything. Maybe that happened to Edwards to and that made the difference between what my friend experienced, the times I saw him and then what you described?

[hippiechick]

6. James Von Praagh

... is the "doodler".

Thanks for your thoughts - I think almost all of us are 'psychic' to some extent and if there's someone "over there" with something really really important to get across to someone "over here", we will get the message. 99% of people go for readings because they want comfort, which is what irritates me about the "parlor psychics" - the audience is already so fervently looking for something to believe, that they can unconsciously feed cues and confirmations to a skilled listener that can be fed back as a "message" with little real psychic effort at all.

I've heard many stories - urban legends maybe ? - about Edwards' crew mik-ing his audiences as they wait in line or they're sitting in their seats prior to the show. I'm guessing he too does have the gift to some extent, but I have a hard time believing that any clairvoyant can just 'turn it on and off' - performance mode - and always have someone in a given crowd that needs a "message".

By no means am I a trained or even oft practiced clairvoyant, but like you, occassionally, "someone" will "stop by" - most often its the guy I was goofy stupid in lust with when I was 16 who died in a plane crash in 1993; and rarely, Kef. And neither of them "feed" me info about - or for - others who are in the room with me.

Anyway, maybe its my own hyper-critical eye, but when I see folks like Edwards and Von Praagh, and even some "visiting speakers" who pass thru the little Progressive/New Age congregation I attend ... one can often see the pattern of the readings, the symbology they'll use, and if you see the same "reader" over time, the same 3 or 4 general messages slightly tailored to fit the recipient.


:shrug:

[jbnow]

8. Oh not Von Praagh

maybe he took up doodling since I last saw him, but he isn't one I am impressed with! At least by the time he got his show he was just so fake appearing.

This guy never had a show. I can picture him but not recall his name. A big, soft spoken, humble seeming guy. As he talks to a family he will be drawing or doodling on a pad of paper just to get out of his own way. I tried to google him but the key words I put in didn't turn anything up.

I saw Von Praagh just as you describe in your last paragraph. Perhaps Edwards became that too though the times I watched early on I saw some very specific readings, He might have used spies. He didn't with my friend, no opportunity.. I agree it's hard to always be on and if you have a show probably hard to say "I'm not getting anything"

But I think there always IS someone in the audience that needs/wants a message, just not always someone there to read it.

Before my son started school he was very psychic, always. He thought everyone was and we puzzled him when we didn't know what he knew. I was not a believer in anything like that but that didn't discourage him, it was just a natural state.

After his dad died he often told me about talking to daddy and what he said. It took mental manipulation on my part to figure he was just reading my thoughts when he'd say things he couldn't know. (Since I didn't believe in that either) But a couple of times he said daddy told him something that I'd never heard of that I found out later was true. Not that it convinced me. I was a happy, agnostic skeptical chemistry major and managed to shrug it all off.

It came up recently because his wife felt he was too calm about his dad having died when he was so young (not yet 5) and took him to her shrink. The therapist said the same thing I had...he had grieved very well, got to talk about him as much as he wanted, life goes on, you don't grieve that forever and memories dim. BUt she was fascinated by the psychic stuff and some shared dreams we had. Well I was dreaming, he said "daddy told him" and that he was awake then. One was when I dreamed he was OK now, at peace and my son ran in to tell me he was OK now, had done the work he needed to and he was happy. The other was this long dream I had where he was telling me about the 7 levels of heaven. In the morning my son told me daddy told him to remind me about the 7 levels of heaven.

The therapist was going to a workshop or something led by some famous Jungian analyst. She hoped to get input about what those dreams meant.

She did. He listened, asked questions and said she was making it too complex. It interpreted itself because it was literal, His dad was OK and happy and there are 7 levels of heaven. The therapist still laughs about it.

I never feel like I pick up on the presence of loved ones who've passed, maybe I'm not open to it. Must be nice to feel the pop in greetings.

Speaking of pop ins I hope I recall the name of the doodler. Maybe someone else has heard of him.

[Delphinus]

26. Doodler:

Perhaps George Anderson?

[SouthernBelle82]

12. I agree with you

Everyone has it but when we come here we forget or "grow out of it" because we're told it's silly and fairytales or something like that. I've always been able to at least be an empath and my ability to be a psychic has really grown in the past few years with just practicing. You can't turn anything off. You can put a shield up and that can keep it from being quite as strong and protect you from other negative energies but even with my shield on I still have things happen. Whenever a message comes to me it just comes. I have no idea how it works but it's what happens. If I try to get messages on my own sometimes they end up being wrong. That's why I just wait for them. Very interesting about the guy coming to you. Have you ever tried talking to him about why he comes by?

[hippiechick]

13. Which one?

The clairvoyant I work with most often, Angela, thought (after I related several of my 'visits' from Alan) that he appeared to have been "stuck" - dying so suddenly & violently at a relatively young age - and apparently I was the only one he could connect with to get thru to him that it was time to move on. The visits came in fits and starts - several in a week, then none for months and months, over the course of about 8 years. During the very last one - about 2 years ago - I actually managed to make 'contact' with him and tell him YOU CAN'T BE HERE. IT IS TIME TO GO. "Something" touched my arm and I got a visualization of him walking away. I've not had a visit since.

Kef was one of the early members of DU, and in my second month here we exchanged PM's and realized that we lived about 6 miles apart! We started talking on the phone and going to political events, out for coffee, etc ... became best pals. He passed suddenly in Jan 2005. I'm still in touch with his mom and I think he drops by just to make sure I'm keeping an eye on her (he was an only child and she was a single mom so they were extremely protective of each other), and also keeping track of things here at DU. :)

Speaking of readers who are maybe-close-but-not-quite-on, service this morning was especially interesting. Our Reverend went thru the room and did the usual - messages to people he already knows - and he was doing his closing when he stopped and said that he needed to give out one more message, and went to the gentleman sitting directly behind me. Said that it was a female figure who died rather suddenly, and it was something with the head ... kept rubbing his right temple ... and asked if the recipient had or was thinking about getting a pet, because he (Rev) kept seeing a dog ... then went on to say that the female figure first just wanted to make contact and second, wanted to say that this is the time to open up to new things, to let new people in, to consider new directions, and know that Spirit and the guides etc are closer than we realize, and to know that that which may seem like a coincidence, is not.

The recipient was clueless and couldn't relate at all.

But today is the 20th anniv of mom dying from brain cancer - the main tumor was in the area just above her right eye/temple - and lord knows I have a dog and my share of "coincidences" over the past few weeks.

So maybe he was getting/giving the correct message, but it wasn't attaching itself closely enough to the intended recipient.

:shrug:

[SouthernBelle82]

11. Oh wow

That's some amazing stories. Perhaps you do have something with you that makes you pick things up easily. Have you ever tried strengthening your gifts or speaking to your guides to see as to why that happens to you sometimes? Those two stories you told were very touching and sad. :(

[SouthernBelle82]

10. Yep

Don't forget his last name is "Edward" not to confusing him with the former Senator of North Carolina. ;) I had a few people do that to me in 2004. Heh. But anyways I don't like him quite honestly and whenever I did see his show I always felt weird vibes and didn't like him even before I knew I could sense things (this was a long many years ago). I just don't trust him or Sylvia Browne. I have no idea why but it's just the feelings I get and my feelings haven't been wrong on me yet.

[Grateful for Hope]

16. Absolutely

I have long thought that John Edwards was bogus.

[Why Syzygy]

5. I always say thank you

to the Spirits. I'm no John Edwards. But they won't leave me alone until I say thanks.

Is that a bad thing?

[hippiechick]

7. I don't think its bad ...

:) I think affirming to the 'sender' that you've heard them is a good thing.
Otherwise they'd have no way to know that you heard and understood them.

[SouthernBelle82]

9. Interesting

I don't really watch Lifetime much. Sometimes they have interesting and good movies on. I'll have to check her out. What are the times she is on? I don't get any iffy vibes from her unlike I do with Syliva Browne.

[NJCher]

14. I think they're all around us

I sure enjoyed reading your post, jbnow. What interesting, touching stories. My perspective on this would be that we often go into another brain wave state when we're doing things like grocery shopping. I call it a "daze." I go on automatic pilot and I don't really think about what I'm doing. I know the store and just do what I have to do without really thinking about it. Maybe you do that, too.

I'm guessing that at that brainwave state (there's alpha, beta, and delta states), it might be easier for a discarnate entity, spirit, whatever you want to call them, to "get through." My theory is that the daughter herself was speaking through you. That would explain the tap on the shoulder, the date, etc.

I once read a book that said that they are all around us and that there is a huge influence they have on how we think, act and function.

That is just such a wonderful story. If that had happened to me, I would have been so pleased to have been able to convey that message to the mother.

Re the Edwards show, I've no doubt at all that the production of the show could have a lot to do with how he functioned as a psychic and how he came across.

Hey, everybody, Lisa will be on at 9 tonight EST. I saw a portion of the show and was sufficiently intrigued to race home from class tonight to see the entire show.





Cher

[Cleita]

15. Thank's for the heads up Cher. n/t

[lildreamer316]

17. Watching now.

Ok---I admit it.
I'm hooked. I really like her energy. I thought she was goofy,but she's just really open and sincere. I do have the salt handy,but am not thinking I'm going to need it.

I have a theory that all of these people (Edwards, Brown, Van Pragh {sp; sorry) DO have the ability,but if pushed past a certain point, and doing it more for the money than to help people, I think the gift may be "yanked" from them, or limited, so they end up playing the charlatan for part of the time, when orginally they were the real thing.
Sylvia turned me off specifically with her condemnation of Madeline Murray O'Hare. In one of her books she said that she passed through the left door and immmed. reincarnated without a grace period. Brown effectively passed personal judgement on the lady, which she has no right to, and I think she is compeltely and utterly full of it. The One is love, and there is no room for such lack of compassion just because someone did not believe in itself in the way others think you should.

[Why Syzygy]

18. I totally haze out on

tv. Meaning I don't watch it. People even tell me, you should just get some shows.
I don't have any. I don't find it relaxing. All I need it for is a few times a month to keep me company while I'm cooking for the week.

I am so out of the loop on tv.
I think that might be because I used to be a big soap opera addict. And this little fireball woman told me she was praying for me to stop doing that. I used to dream about those characters even. All I can figure is someone heard her prayers because I have not been interested in tv since. This is why I don't like people praying for me. Unless I assent and agree.

So, as to the tv psychics. I guess they only appeal to people who watch tv.

I never respected MMO'H enough until she was gone.

You are so right about the One.

[Cleita]

19. Considering MMO'H was most likely murdered, I doubt if

she was punished in such a way. In a way she was a martyr for her beliefs and I do believe the Catholic dogma that states that martyrs (real ones, not the self-appointed ones) go directly to paradise. I'll bet it was a pleasant surprise when she realized she was wrong, but no one was holding it against her as she was sincere in her beliefs.

[Why Syzygy]

20. What I'm finding

a bit amusing is how everyone is changing avitars. I like to switch mine around and feel that the one I'm using now is a bit more loud than I would prefer. But I'm not in an avatar shopping mood.

The turkey looks nice on you, though.

She was totally sincere. Some people don't even realize she stood up for freedoms that we took for granted. They have, of course, been bashed around lately. We need Saints standing in for us.

[Cleita]

21. I'm just doing it through the holidays because they are available.

I'll be back to the Starship Enterprise in January. It so suits my "beam me up Scotty and get me off this planet" mood these days.

[Why Syzygy]

22. I sure know that feeling.

Nice that we can still recognize each other. I am so dang visual.

[Sweet Freedom]

23. Does anyone remember the show

where the woman had the famous dad (singer or guitar player?) and during her reading found out that someone else wrote a verse in one of his songs?

Does anyone remember the name of the dad?

Thanks!

[Love Bug]

24. I remember that one

but sorry, I don't remember the name of the Dad. What happened to Lisa's show? It hasn't been on for a few weeks.

[Sweet Freedom]

25. I don't know what happened

Maybe they only made a few shows to see how well it was received. I hope it comes back. I enjoyed it.

[Love Bug]

27. I checked the Lifetime website adn she's still on there

In fact, you can send her a question. Which I did.

[Sweet Freedom]

28. I saw that

...I was trying to find the dad's name (thought maybe they'd have a video or something). Let us know if she answers you (how cool!)

Oh well, I have a co-worker who's a total music lover and trivia buff, so I was telling him about that show and he wanted to know who the musician was. Maybe the show will come on again and I'll pay better attention.