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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:02 PM
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OMG
The energetic fallout from posting on GD with my "magical thinking" thread has sent me through the ringer.

Why I do these things I haven't a clue but love you all for your support.

Of the two dissenters of the many responders one inspired this and then didn't bother responding to it aside from a somewhat offputting PM. Hurrrrrumph to him.

The other dissenter inspired the hysterical "Oooga, Boooga, Smoooga Woooga," battle cry and that was a total hoot.

But still, I spent a fair amount of energy on this and didn't want to see it wasted.

He was in his totally left brained space and thought that my post was exclusionary instead of inclusionary.

He said something to the effect of "I'm an evidence kind of guy."

Here is how I responded. . .

"Yes emperical evidence is a very fine thing indeed.

That was another part of what motivated me to post this.

Amongst progressive thinkers are some of the greatest intellects in this land. I've watched in bewildered astonishment for the past six years, academics and experts in diverse fields. . .statistics, computer science, history, culture, the environment, education, economics, psychiatry, etc. had all of their emperical evidence dismissed and minimized as being "reality based."

I've watched the land I love that was once respected around the world as the "land of the lively discussion" deteriorate to intractable divisiveness and the disempowering myth foisted upon us that there are now only two possible points of view. Our national dialogue has digressed into shouting matches when it used to be far more inspiringly nuanced.

I'm saddened by the perversion of the labels of both "conservative" and "liberal," the former having morphed into extremism and the latter having been inappropriately demonized. Most of us are more complex than those two catagories would suggest.

I watch our leader get away with misrepresenting everything of which he speaks. That coupled with the "disingenuous nomenclature" of most all recent legislation irkes me to no end. The media's complicity and the public's apathy and lack of focus has disheartened me totally.

So in this regard we agree. My reaction was different than yours and that's okay.

If their approach is one based on illogic, and our finest minds have been drawing solely from fact and intellect and it has seemed as though these brilliant minds are doing nothing more than repeatedly hitting their heads against a huge wall of deceit, I thought why not engage our right brains AS WELL AS our left brains. . ? Thereby we may possibly trump the obfuscation of the truth which has had us in a virtual stranglehold for all these years.

I responded to the other dissenter down thread as he, as perhaps you have, assumed that I was suggesting that prayer and affirmation would solve everything and therefore I might be encouraging inaction or complacency. Quite to the contrary, there have been many times that I've been stymied in my life and felt as though I couldn't think my way out of a paper bag. Those like I, who employ the methodology of prayer and affirmations have often recognized practical solutions to possible resolutions and rectifications of problems that we had not been aware of prior to employing these techiques. So they help some to overcome blocks and motivate redemptive action.

Prayer and affirmations were never suggested as panacea for all that plagues this land. It would indeed be laughable to think so. However as supplemental techniques to help empower people to recognize their options for curative action, many find them helpful.

As to inadvertantly contributing to a Democratic defeat through prayers for fairness that is totally unlikely. Most of those of spiritual orientations learned long ago to balance the physical and spiritual planes and too much focus on one of those levels can undermine the other. Again these suggestions are supplementary and not exclusive of other nobel and traditional endeavors.

Now I'm very pleased that you contributed here and I hope you recognize my appreciation because clearly this warranted further clarification.

peace again."

OMG this has been exhausting but exhilarating at the same time.

Can I thank you all again. . .?

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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:28 PM
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1. tyell the evidence kind of guy to larn himself
a little physics.

A little bit of old Heidigger's uncertainty principle and what we do to the subatomic universe by observing it.

I haven't kept up myself, but I do think physics, the science, those really smart guys who do astrophysics and string theory and such, have come around to think very seriously about parallel universes and how we create reality, or affect it, by our perceptions.

There's also Schroedinger's cat. I forget the specifics, but you put a cat in a box with a radioactive something. It has a certain half-life. Now, at the time that the half-life is up, the cat will either a) be irradiated, and die; or b) not be irradiated, and still be alive.

You don't know which, however, until you open the box to see.

So, the question was, could the cat exist in both states until you open the box and look?

Something like that. It's been a long time, so forgive me if I've really screwed it up.

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:34 PM
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2. You did fine but so also did poster #32
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:14 AM
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10. missed that one...
I wonder whether it was digestable by someone who automatically blocks out material which sometimes requires the understanding, or at least the willingness to, of the other dimensions beyond 3-D in physics.
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:58 PM
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3. I really enjoyed this post, stellanoir
and the responses have been fascinating. Thank you for your energy!

Oooga, Boooga, Smoooga Woooga :woohoo:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:11 PM
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4. LOL
that silly saying will indeed have some staying power I feel.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:43 PM
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5. I have nothing of scientific merit to add, except
to say that I found that chanting, "Ooooga Smooga, Wooga Booga" was at least 98% as effective as the original chant, with a 2% margin of error. :silly:

Seriously, stellanoir, great job!
:yourock:



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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:48 PM
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6. The way in which that chant evolved is just too darned funny.
Thanks for noticing and I'm laughing about it still.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:53 PM
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7. One thing I have to say is that I thought throughout that
thread you showed great generosity and restraint. You were a really good sport, and I admire you for it. I don't think I would have handled it nearly as well. Thanks for representing!
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:22 PM
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8. The scientific community knows that intention and belief are very powerful.
So powerful, in fact, that they conduct double blind studies to remove those influences.

The naysayers say that our intentions can't have any effect? Let them argue the matter with scientists.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:16 PM
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29. That's the best argument I've ever heard for the secret.
Very Good Point! (And I'm quite the skeptic - see my post below.)
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:44 PM
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30. I don't know about "the secret".
Someone posted a link to a video, but I couldn't watch it for some reason. (Dial-up & Mac)
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:53 PM
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9. yeah but IT worked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and that's all that really matters!!!!!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:25 AM
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11. yes, and you put a spunk into this election
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 03:26 AM by rumpel
I bet you the Princeton EGGS were hopping red.

Can you imagine - the whole World must have been praying. Including the one my Mom and I were so touched by:

An interview of an Iraqi. He said he was praying Kerry will win.

:grouphug:

now back to exposing problems with the systems and work towards no more disenfranchised voters. cheers

We are on the right path...
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:32 AM
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12. I know how these interactions can be exhausting, stellanoir,
and let me tell you that I really admire and respect you for taking it on yourself to put yourself out there like that.

I thought it all was brilliant.

:kick: :hug:

DemEx
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:26 AM
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13. The ignore button is a wonderful thing for sanity.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:48 AM
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14. Stella you are very brave.
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 06:49 AM by cassiepriam
Doing hand to hand combat on GD. :(

Great job.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:26 AM
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16. As I said on another thread,
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 08:05 AM by stellanoir
the line of demarcation between bravery and foolhardiness is often hard to define, so I'll defer that determination to the "cosmic parole board."

Keyboard to keyboard combat is far easier than hand to hand.

You killed mr. charm with kindness and he couldn't stand it but it may have softened him up at bit. Who knows. . .?

Still the times I've put spiritual stuff in GD the response has been overwhelmingly positive. I think a lot more people have been exposed to metaphysics either in their younger years or they are justt inherently spiritually wired, than we might presume. Politics often inspires folks to cling to their logic and rational. Yet when we are up against a regime that continuously attempts to manipulate our emotions on a visceral level of our very survival, a more enlightened bicameral response may just be required.

Two hemispheres are better than one I figure. I certainly don't want to draw from my reptialian brain exclusively.

I'm gonna ruminate over this for a while and if I do manage to start another thread in GD at some point, perhaps I'll dedicate it to mr. charm. :)

Thanks for your feedback and insight as always.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:47 AM
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18. I tend to run close to that thin line myself..
I always wonder if I am a brave, or just a fool. :(

Yep, I suppose the karmic board will let us know
whether we get karmic dings or kudos. Frankly the way I am
wired, I just have to do the right thing, and I don't
really care who approves of it. Even the karmic board,
I will take my lumps.

And sometimes I know I am doing the wrong thing, but they can
just put it on my karmic credit card to pay off, like the time I said some very bad words to the republican person who called me telling me to vote for bush before the Bush/Kerry election.
My husband was shocked. Funny, this election I only got robocalls, no live person. )

Who knows on Mr. Charm? I like to plant seeds, you never
know when they will take hold. Can be immediate, can be
decades from now.

I think that living under a ruthless and corrupt dictatorship has made many look deep inside themselves for some answers and guidance. And caused many to examine values and priorities. Watching our country rob, torture, murder women and children makes a person do some real soul searching.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:15 PM
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19. A restoration of our Constitutional rights
and a philosophy of spiritually tolerant humanism and could be an amazingly inclusive approach.

As for mr.charm. . .he wouldn't have reacted in such an extreme if you didn't get to him.

I'm reminded of clients with whom I've nailed with humor but they were somtimes in denial and then much later sought me out and thankfully and profusely acknowledged my assistance.

You know I work with college kids. At one school last year, I was setting up and this girl strutted up to me. Understand I read from about 25-50 kids at these gigs so I don't always remember them all. Usually I only see them once as they graduate or transfer or just move on.

This girl roared into my space and was suddenly in my face and said, "You read for me last year and I thought you s*cked." I could only laugh. She then said, "Then I thought about it for a month and realized that I was unhappy in my relationship and I was not thrilled with my major and I changed EVERYTHING and now I'm so happy and I owe it all to you."

Some people just take time. That girl did crack me up though and sometimes you never know for sure.

I'm sure you won't suffer from blasting a * caller as long as your husband got over it. :)

Maybe we can make a deal. . .I'll be your character witness before the "cosmic parole board" in defense of any assorted foolhardiness, if you'll be mine. Oh forget it. I'll be yours anyway but being mine might just be too excessively a tall order.

LOL

I hope you are right about more people taking ethical stock of themselves. I'm praying they are.

Best

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:33 PM
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21. you are a treasure.
I was quite inadvertendly blasted into a spiritual healers circle a couple of days ago. I don't know if I will ever see him again. And it doesn't really matter.

Setting someone on the right path must be so awesome.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:19 PM
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25. LOL Stella thank you, but you don't want to testify on my behalf
at the Karmic Inquisition :(

Might get a tad bit ugly and I want to spare you. I know I am supposed to be working on my stubbornness, pride, and independence in this life, these are issues for me. I just can't seem to get the hang of submission, teamwork, and moderation. So there will probably be words about all of it.

One of the main things I remember about my last LBL karmic session is that my spirit guide and I had a bit of an argument about something during the karmic board hearing, I don't know the topic. And I insisted that something in this life be done a certain way. The board just looked at me and said little. Whatever the issue was, it was done the way I wanted but others did not think it was such a good idea, it was somehow not reasonable. But there was enough karmic energy and credit in my account that they respected my request, whatever it was.

Oh and even when I did my LBL regression I had an argument with my LBL therapist while I was in delta waves, deep in trance. My conscious self felt totally embarrassed by my soul self. I am a hothead to my soul. What can I say. All that Druid Celtic blood.

The argument with my LBL therapist: I had done a perfect morning of past live regressions, to my amazement since it was a while back and I did not really believe in any of this. But the past life stuff just came up perfectly on cue. I couldn't believe it. I was a perfect client.

Then in the afternoon we started with the LBL part of the session where you go to the spirit world. I was so excited since that was the part I was really looking forward to.
But I refused to go. I keep flying around in circles playing games with the therapist. Finally she asked what the heck I was doing, and I told her I refused to go to heaven. She asked why and I told her that if I go home to heaven, I refuse to come back to earth. I am tired of this planet, and have no need to come back. I was horrified as I said it, I have a home, child, duties and responsibilities I certainly am not going to leave.
And earth is my home, I don't remember heaven at all.

The therapist took control of the session, and nicely told me to get my behind in gear, and get with the program. I did so without any further drama.

But no wonder I kept getting sent back to earth :(



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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:00 PM
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31. Ahhh if memory serves, they aren't at all like heavy handed inquisitors
They're of much better humor and far lighter judgement. Besides it would be quite funny to see who's actually been more scandalous over the breadth of time.

It might be entirely entertaining. LOL

I'm of mostly Celtic heritage as well and that may just be where we share in some of our rebelliousness and hyper sensitivity to this sometimes plane of onerous density and duality.

I've been resistant to some facillitators as well and have generally gotten most of my best revelations directly from spirit. Still we all crave interaction with others.

Funny I was just telling someone about when remember having been a cloud being on another distant sphere. I was perfectly happy out there minding my own business, making glorious sunrises and sunsets. It was on beyond finger painting. Then a messenger came and demanded that I return to earth post haste. I still don't know what her HUGE friggin' rush was. I was really resistant but begrudingly complied. It's been mostly a mixed bag ever since then. Oh well.

Still I have felt for this entire life that it would be the most interesting and crucial one in nearly 5000 years. Just doing as I'm told until the real shift comes, and probably forevermore with some notable exceptions. My guides just fake me out sometimes so I can relax and freewheel it.

I've got a kid and I'm totally convinced that I'll be stickin' around for all of the coming excitement. Hope you do too and we don't have to go before that board prematurely but you know, we can check in anytime and still come back in the same form.

Maybe I'll do so tonight, especially after this week. :) Yikes.

As for confusing the gentlemen charmers. So many men so little time.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 02:23 AM
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32. Yes
Oh I know it is not the inquisition, most of us will be our own most severe critics, not the board. And as I said, last time the board
said virtually nothing to me. It was my quide and I who were having words. And it was more like a business meeting not really painful.

LOL yes quite entertaining. I still think the spirit world could generate income (if they cared about such matters) by selling tickets to karmic board hearings, of course probably a violation of cosmic hippa rules.

Oh Stella, being a cloud. How glorious. And they pulled you off that job for an earth gig? Cruel and unusual punishment for sure :(
But not as much opportunity for karmic evolution in the cloud end of things?

I am hoping that next time they just transfer me to another galaxay and call it a day.........

Yes, celts fiercely independent, rebellious, march to no one else's drummer. And in touch with the ethers, I think that is why they spend so much time in pubs, trying to wash away/medicate all of the gunk.

What do you think about all the Ascension business? You think you are going to stay put?
Or perhaps as you intimate, that it is going to be a dual reality and we are going to come back and forth? 3rd dimension/4th dimension? I wondered if the election was the beginning of moving into the 4th?

Yep on the charmers, tell them to take a number, and stand in line with the others.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:20 PM
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27. PS Hubby got over it, he knows how I feel about bushco....
He is just not used to me cussing out someone.

Some years back DH wanted one of those big screen TVs.
(I do not watch TV, so no TV is fine with me.)

I agreed on one condition, that I never had to see * on the big screen as I passed by the family room. If I did, the darn TV would get kicked to the curb. And DH knows I would do it :(

DH doesn't like the oil mafia any better than I do so it works out fine.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:40 AM
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39. The two of you make me giggle so much on this thread!!
I can just *see* the both of you in front of this board! Hilarious!!
I'll buy a ticket.........
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 04:50 PM
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43. Buying tickets? Casstella a road show?
I am too shy and an introvert, could never ever
go in front of an audience except to teach a class of
some sort. Boring classes.

Stella has this raodshow gig for sure, she would be great.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:52 AM
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15. This was a great answer.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:04 AM
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17. Well just so ya know
The one not known as OMC hangs out in the religion forum, or used to and he makes fun of everyone. He believes that when he dies he will go nowhere.

It should be fun when we're all there hanging out together and taking him to his first remedial spirituality class. :rofl:

I'm glad that you posted that and gave others the opportunity to do something with the "other" side of their brains.:hug:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:34 PM
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22. Very interesting
So OMC is a regular trouble maker? My sense about him was that he does not necessarily believe or disbelieve anything he is saying. He just likes to argue and stir things up. And no matter what you say he is just going to fight with you. I think he must have a lot of Gemini in his chart and use it to aggravate the heck out of others! Too bad, Geminis can be such interesting, fun and lively people.........

LOL on the remedial spirituality class, let's hope he gets a real strict teacher. El Morya maybe, the one who kicks cosmic
bu**.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:14 AM
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33. No the one I was talking about was the one you prayed for, lol
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 07:04 AM by OhioBlues
He has a difficult time with any faith. OMC has strong beliefs and can irritate but at least he has some faith in something if only himself. Good news on the Geminis, my moon resides there. :7
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 07:32 PM
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41. i like OMC a lot. he is usually open minded about many things
but he loves the debate

i've crossed swords with him many times and then find him singing my song a few weeks later on another thread

he's worth the effort I think :evilgrin:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:50 PM
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24. Thanks for the heads up dear
he first unfortunately entered my consciousness here. . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2403794

but cass might be confusing him with mr. charm. Not sure but those were the two token detractors.

e-gads still that's a small number and I understand why they misunderstood my efforts so it's cool.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:41 PM
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26. If there were only two that is good.....
Oops. sorry to get them confused, so difficult to keep
the charming gentlemen straight.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:26 PM
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20. Kind of off topic, my favorite post election cartoon:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:41 PM
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23. too cute
where kpete finds all this stuff I'll never know.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:43 PM
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28. I think it's good that you have found something you believe in.
But, you can't expect everyone to always be open to your beliefs. Just as my born-again Christian friend keeps hoping I'll "find God", my brother preaches this "The Secret" style (I think bull-shit) stuff to me all the time. I simply don't believe it. I've had positive thoughts and intentions and been hit over the head with tragedy that I didn't see coming, maybe because I was over-confident. (Like thinking I could "cure" my brothers addiction; an addiction I think is partly due to his relentless "positive thinking" that has made it difficult for him to deal with the harsh reality of life.) I've also spent hours worrying about problems that never materialized. Maybe they never materialized BECAUSE I worried about them, then took steps to prevent them. I know this forum is more about "The Secret" than Astrology lately, but I've been hearing this for almost 20 years, and I've never liked it.

However, I know that a lot of people here, people I respect tremendously, do believe "The Secret." I think that's wonderful. We all are unique and sing different songs. And I also know that my born-again Christian friend gets a lot from her faith, even though I think that's BS too. We have to be tolerant and respect others beliefs, or lack of belief.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:14 AM
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34. Ummmmmm. . .I don't really expect anything of others.
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 07:16 AM by stellanoir
I generally preface any suggestions I offer up with the word "consider" and am always pleasantly surprised by learning that my thoughts have any resonance with any others whatsoever.

Someone said on another thread that "worry is prayer for a negative outcome." I've a whole schpiel about that I've not time to type write now.

It is normal to have anxieties and worries but there are many ways of neutralizing or mollifying them. Yes. I believe that one can burn off a potential negative outcome through contemplation and I've experienced that as well.

I am reminded of a joke I made to someone last year. . ."I'm having an inner argument. Do you care to referee?"

Haven't posted anything about the "Secret" but do empathize with your concerns about imbalances between one's inner life and one's outer reality.

I love diversity and enjoy interacting with people with different points of view.

Of the two dissenters on the thread from earlier in the week, one contributed a great joke and the other inspired my to start this thread and contemplate some issues of which I had not been thinking which lended some clarity.

I'm sorry if you perceived anything disrespectful or intolerant going on here. I happily find a lot of sincere curiousity and mutual support within this forum.

Finding a balance between dogma, blind faith, common sense, inner wisdom, creative intention, and redemptive action is an on going challenge for many.

Wishing you greater peace in your and all of our journeys.

ps. . .I've never been compared to a fundie before LOL.







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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:28 AM
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35. The secret isn't really a secret anyway
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 07:30 AM by OhioBlues
We can't expect everything to go our way 100% of the time because others have their wishes as well and there are times we have to accept that our plans don't always work out.

The secret is really basic common sense with a twist. If you have ever planned to do something like take a cool vacation or get a new job you are using the technique of the secret. It's about forces that are already there just waiting to be directed.

Consider it this way; what beverage do you want to choose in the morning? I personally plan on coffee and each morning my plan comes to fruition. That is really all the secret is. Basic laws brought forth and directed and all coming from inside yourself.

None of us have the right to interfere in other people's "plan". Sometimes it's in the best interest of others to be drug addicted or even to die. We all learn something with each interaction whether consciously or not.

If you want to practice the technique (which is only making a plan anyway) start small and try not to include anyone else in the picture. Make it about you. Manifesting is just so mundane that people don't even notice it 99% of the time.

Each day "plan" something small for yourself. For instance, plan to acquire a rose and keep thinking about having that rose in your hand, how it smells and feels, the rich color and the softness of the petals. Know that you will have a rose today and be prepared to buy one. Many times people just end up with a rose that someone just happened to give them that very day. It doesn't always happen but it happens frequently enough that it makes practicing fun. But either way you will have a rose because you planned on having a rose that day. Even if you bought it yourself. That is how the secret works, it just gets us to focus on the plan that we've made. Synchronistic happenings just tend to show up more often when we're aware.

I hope that makes sense to you because it's not magic but it is the law of attraction. What you think about expands and keeps us meeting our own needs time after time. Just think of it as a plan, nothing more and keep it about yourself. Try for a week or two. It will become more clear as you go along.

Even if this doesn't resonate with you I'm glad that you stopped in.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:54 PM
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36. I agree that there is something to the secret. I just don't think it's all there is.
I've gotten amazing things that I've visualized, but mainly because I worked for them and didn't give up until I got them. I didn't attract them, I went out and got them. For example one time I was traveling with a different brother in Europe and we had been driving all night and we stopped in a small town around a lake and I told him - I want a room with a window over-looking this lake. He thought that was nuts - but the second hotel we tried had a room available. In fact, just working in Europe was something I wanted to do since about middle-school, and I did it. But I wanted to work in France and instead I worked in Germany and Spain. But again, I didn't "attract" this - I totally went for it. My oldest brother (the one who now has a drug problem) told me the IT consulting firm he worked for was sending people to Europe. I had a Marketing degree and I was making just over minimum wage. I went to grad school taking courses that would get me hired at his company, got hired on there as an intern, and two years later I was working in Europe. That was pretty hard work, not just sitting back and letting it come to me. Then, I've always wanted to live right on the ocean. I knew exactly what the condo would look like from the color of the tile to two master suites and a washer/dryer and garage. I'm not rich and this sounds insane - but I got exactly that in Melbourne Beach Florida. (I have the soul of a gypsy!) But it took about 6 weeks to find the place.

Having said that - I'm also a firm believer in "shit happens." And some things are not as terrific as you imagine they will be. That condo on the beach? I ended up hating it because of the spiders the size of my palm and snakes outside and sharks in the water and crabs everywhere and my dog getting ticks - and we thought it was haunted. I'm glad I got over that desire to live on the ocean, but now I think it's a better idea to just VACATION on the ocean.

Also, there were many things that I've wanted over the years and didn't get because I didn't feel like working for them. I just don't think life is so easy you can just "wish" things and they will materialize.

I also know that I shouldn't try to run my brother's life. But I can't help it. My heart is broken. My father died when I was very young and I grew up idolizing my oldest brother. He was fantastic and a "star" - not just to me - but to a lot of people. Terrific athlete, National Honor society, fantastic drummer. Now he is approaching 50 and he is a homeless crack-head. How sad is that? He has two wonderful daughters and I can't imagine what they are going through. I just can't believe it. I also feel like without him, I would still be making just over minimum wage and I never would have been able to travel like I have, which is something I greatly enjoy. He is the one who introduced me to most of the music I listen to - and I work I often tear up when I listen to my MP3 player. That is the biggest mystery in MY LIFE. How could such a "star" become a homeless crack-head? And like I said - he is a big fan of the secret. He even told me to "visualize a red ribbon" - like your rose. So, maybe that is why I have such a reaction to all of this.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:07 PM
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37. oh sweetie
The ache you feel is palpable. Far too many of those we love have lost those to addictions.

I am concerned that you may be falling victim to worry though. The best thing you can possibly do is to visualize him the healthiest and happiness you have ever seen him.

But fundmentally, we've all got to do it for ourselves.
That is the scary yet wondrous part of it all.

Blessings to you.

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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 08:12 PM
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38. Thanks a lot!
I feel so helpless - and sad. No matter what great things happen, I've always got a sad core because of my brother. Thanks a lot!!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 07:56 AM
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40. Oh dear. . .
It is so-o-o tragic often those with the greatest potential take the steepest falls. There is no logic to it aside from the old adage. "to those who much is given, much is expected."

Here's something I've posted a bunch of times here. When I've been down, just reading it once a day seems to turn things around somehow. I didn't write it. I send it to anyone I know who is suffering or grieving.

Maybe it'll touch your brother's soul.

BLESSING

"I send you light to hold you in love.
I send you light to heal you in love.

May you love, honor, and cherish the preciousness and uniqueness of your own being and of each other being in this world.

May you see your own goodness and beauty reflected wherever you look. May you be contented and appreciative of all life's bountiful gifts.

May the splendor and majesty of your being guide your thoughts, words, and actions.

May your pain and fear be transformed into strength,
understanding, and compassion.

May the shining light of your being radiate peace and harmony wherever you are.

May you be suffused with happiness, joyfully celebrating each day you are alive.

May you be abundant in all wealth and rich in generosity, sharing your feelings freely.

May you be a soothing balm of kindness and a fragrant blossom of love to everyone you meet.

May you be well whole and healthy.

May the great love and compassion of your heart embrace and help to redeem the suffering of all beings everywhere.

May the inner light of your purity and perfection dissolve the clouds of discord, despair, and conflict.

May the intelligence and wisdom of your infinite mind give you clarity in a confusing world.

May you trust that you are loved, cared for and supported by the infinite always.

May you possess the precious magic jewel of gratitude that transforms all life into a paradise.

May pause for a moment each day to remember this blessing upon you, and calling forth the full power and magnificence of your own being, may you pass it on to all beings everywhere.

I send you light to hold you in love.
I send you light to heal you in love."




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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:51 AM
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42. That's WONDERFUL!!! Thanks!
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