HELP! What does this mean?

[elehhhhna]

AND A WORD ABOUT THE AMERICAN ELECTIONS

Astrologers, remember

the Democrats took control of Congress

during a retrograde Mercury

during a transit of Mercury



http://www.michaellutin.com/dailyfix.htm

[Angel Wings]

1. hmmm...I don't know

[stellanoir]

2. It could have been construed as being corrective.

Mercury changed direction during election night in '00. When it had looked as though Gore had won.

Also the Mercury transit to the Sun may have enhanced all our prayers.

Besides the new Congress will not be sworn in until January long after this retro period.

Gotta love Mikey though. :)

[cassiepriam]

8. Mercury to sun

is going to instill a strong drive to communicate and express oneself, make for a strongly self expressive energy.

[BlueIris]

3. All I can say is: this outcome is NOT what I was predicting.

At all. Which is not to say I'm looking the proverbial gift horse in the mouth or anything...but it's a shocker for me.

I'm not the most gifted psychic or astrologer here by any means, but my sense of potential futures is getting better and better and...I didn't think we had it. I thought corporate media and the GOP would steal this one, too, in a BIG way. This is not to say I feel Dem wins are illegitimate. I happen to know that the GOP in various key races (Duckworth, anyone?) did effect its usual thieving schemes.

I don't feel entirely...comfortable with this outcome is all I'm saying.

[cassiepriam]

4. Yes, as happy as I am with the outcome, I have some degree of discomfort too.

Glad you brought it up. Can you say more what your feeling is about?

For me I am not sure what it is, can't quite get my finger on it.

But it is a nagging feeling that something seems off somehow.
Perhaps it is just my shock that the American people came to their senses, or that the sociopaths in charge of this country didn't steal the elections again... Or maybe that I know that cleaning up after the crooks is going to be a big job, so much damage has been done.

??

[stellanoir]

5. Well I can empathize with some angst

It's probably a number of factors. I do concur the mess the sociopaths have wrought is daunting.

1) that both parties are still completely beholdened to big corporate $

2) that scarcely few of our Dem representatives have stood up for our Constitution or the blatant repeated and culpable treason committed by this misadministration.

3) that * has had in reserve all the ink in his veto pen for 6 years.

4) that the rule of law and habeas corpus has all but been summarily decimated.

5) the ongoing quagmire of Iraq and the new Sec of Defense not only participated in the implementation of HAVA but is an all star from Iran Contra and generated bogus intelligence (aka sheer stupidity) back then. He's likely to be confirmed and the AG is Senor Gonzolaws and a presidential apologist and enabler.

I could go on but still, I'm pleased to see some modicum of checks and balances restored. We can still celebrate that and that alone, and continue to pay attention and support each other in that.

Still smiling anyway.

[cassiepriam]

6. Yes

perhaps all of that lurking underneath my obvious
elation.........

I have so much Pisces in my chart that I am supposed
to be connected to the collective unconscious. So hard to
tell what I am picking up...but world wide people are happy.
I do feel that energy, like Metta, I felt it very strongly the morning after the elections.

Or it could be my Virgo Asc and my loaded 6 h....just being practical and service focused about all the hard clean up work ahead.

[Why Syzygy]

30. it just feels good

:bounce:

But your explantion sounds better.

[BlueIris]

10. I just have this nagging feeling that a shoe is waiting to drop somewhere.

Because...I do. My knowledge of abusers is pretty deep at this point, and the collection of abusers running the GOP are a typical abusive lot. Abusers don't change. Criminals don't change. They had no reason not to try to steal this election. Even the whole "they 'let' Democrats win because they want the coming economic meltdown to be blamed on Democrats while Dems are in power" theory doesn't totally wash with me. They had no incentive not to steal it and yet...here we are. I don't know why they folded. I have this yucky hunch that when we find out--well, I can't say it'll negate the significance of the victory, but--it may be even more shocking than this outcome is to me.

Another reason I'm uncomfortable is that I sat in a Dem campaign office each day for six weeks making phone call after phone call after phone call, and even in a district in which Democrats have been highly motivated in the past--trying to get people to come in and volunteer (or even discuss how they planned to vote) was like pulling teeth. It was pure apathy. And then there's that little matter of our internal polling--not the rigged polling the GOP puts out, what our own people were telling us about how they planned to vote--which suggested that many formerly Democratic voters were "trying to remember to vote," but might not actually turn in their ballots. That scared the crap out of me, because in Oregon, people vote. I just--I thought we didn't have it because it seemed to me that the GOP voters weren't ready to let go even now and the Democratic/Progressive folks were so exhausted that they had ceased to care about the outcome of even this most crucial election.

So, I'm kinda stumped. And I haven't totally relaxed yet because, apparent facts aside, it's too quiet.

[cassiepriam]

13. Yes exactly. Sociopaths do not change color over night.

And an election loss means nothing to them.
Just a hiccup to be worked around.

And yes I hear you about the voters.
Hard to get too excited or proud of them.

Like trying to feel proud of a healthy 10 year old who finally gets potty trained.

Yes, other shoe waiting to drop describes
it very well.

I see things like a big puzzle in my head,
with lots of pieces, and some of the pieces
are not fitting together right now.

It will come to me, it usually does.....

[BlueIris]

14. "Like trying to feel proud of a healthy 10 year old who finally gets potty trained."

OMG, that is hysterical. It may be gallow's humor, but still. BWAH!

[cassiepriam]

15. I am bad, I know :)

[smirkymonkey]

16. I'm with you - It's kind of a relief to see this thread in here, as

you are not allowed to rain on anybody's parade in GD. Although I am pleased with the results, I have had this nagging feeling that the GOP is up to something ugly. I am very suspicious about how easily they rolled over this time. Unless they know something that the rest of us don't - which frightens me even more.

I hate being so cynical, but I am just don't trust this for some reason - I wish I could.

[elehhhhna]

17. They "let" us win so we won't suspect the jacked machines when "Jeb" wins in '08

that's my gut talking

[I Have A Dream]

18. I suspect the same thing. They are master chess players. They...

take the long term approach, and I think that they've decided to lose this battle to make it easier to win the greater battle up the road.

However, I refuse to go into fear because I think that they are energized by fear. Now's the time to be the lighthouses that we came here to be.

I feel a sense of temporary relief/safety because of our recent wins, but I don't feel as though the fight is even close to over, and I dread the thought of this. It's really taken the joy out of the situation for me. However, we at least have a temporary reprieve so that we can rebuild our strength and then begin anew to cast our light into the world.

[cassiepriam]

25. As skeptical as I am. I am still feeling the joy

and allowing the good feeling to be there.
It was indeed an energy boost. Trying to live
in the moment a bit and enjoy it.

We take it one day at a time.

[Why Syzygy]

32. I cannot believe

what I'm reading here.

Of course it isn't over. It is just the beginning.

If we start to think, like they do, that victory is the end all, then we are just as superficial and stupid as they are. No ice scuplture b-day parties are our victory.

When the mantle is passed, we are given greater responsibility. It isn't the icing!

I'm a bit discouraged by this thread because no one else seems to know that with power comes responsibilty. Remember we are not pukes. We are the Team.

Please stop this negative, defeatist talk.

[I Have A Dream]

38. Denying one's feelings isn't healthy and doesn't make them not be so.

This is how I really feel; I wish that it weren't so.

I will do my part, as I always do. Right now, I feel uneasy.

[Why Syzygy]

61. Agreed.

Denying feelings is never the way to go.

I sometimes wake up with a sense of impending doom.

In my neck of the woods, there are people who are excited about new horizons. It is fresh air.
Many of these people have been here for 50 years. I show up and light a new fire. No one ever forgets me. I don't have an ability to forget.

I am sorry ya'll are feeling uneasy. I live with that a lot. I'm sorry if I came off as not being sensitive to feelings. I just see so much growth and change around lately, and the House and Senate at least have a chance, maybe. Or maybe they will fall into the same decay.

Was outside today, in November, and there were butterflys all over the place.
Obviously it isn't spring when we are used to seeing them.

Some things will never change. Nor should they. Other things? Perhaps only change when someone opens a door, a portal, and says, wow, look at that, come on in.

I'm in the mood for a new Einstein. I am open to new adventure.

If the Dems that just got put in a place of power let us down. .. AGAIN ..

we will survive. That's what we alwyas do.

[elehhhhna]

39. Yep. Let's enjoy the wedding. We all know that the marriage will take some work.

My gut says the retrograde stuff was working against the Darkside. GOOD! About time!

The pendulum swings.

[Why Syzygy]

62. my personal feeling is that

the pedulum is taking a big upswing. I want everyone to get on it and ride.

I've been born again and reborn and rehashed. And learn something new every day.

[smirkymonkey]

35. There is always a chance that things will not go according to

plan, but I think we can be fairly sure that they DO have a plan. We make a mistake in underestimating them. I get the impression they are back in their caves licking their wounds, only to come out more vicious and determined than ever.

[Angel Wings]

42. I do believe in the possibility

that they may have allowed a win by the Dems because of the intense public outcry across the board.
They didn't tinker around as much this time so that it wouldn't be as obvious what they had been doing all along. So, if we stay vigilant and don't play into their schemes, we should be alright in '08.

But, yes, will have to continue fighting for it.

[Digit]

21. I am glad you posted that....it was exactly what I was going to post

I feel it is so we can feel complacent about the voting machines since they essentially showed the sentiment of the nation.

"Some people" wanted to throw the cabal under the bus anyway since they were failing, and this makes for a bump in the road for two years (to them).

We need to get rid of these damned machines once and for all.

There is no reason to have all of this money spent on a machine that nobody can operate, can fail at a moment's notice, and can be hacked by a teenager.

Those are my thoughts on this, for what it is worth, and this was my gut reaction.

[cassiepriam]

24. Throw us a bone, keep us busy cleaning up Bush's mess,

then snap up the presidency in 2 yrs.

Dems the clean up crew, repugs still have the power.

Yes it does make sense.

[Why Syzygy]

33. Casie..

stop it. Come to your senses.

I spent the evening with a soft breeze caressing my face, listening to calming music. Watching the kit skip around the yard.

Please get your power back online.

Shit. Talk about grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat.

No! Damn it. We are Mystics. We have the power.

[cassiepriam]

36. I like your style :)

Of course you are right. Savor the moment.
Have hope.

But BI and I cannot help it, we are picking something up and we are trying to figure it out.
Part of my power is balancing my head and intuition, and there is something there we cannot figure out or make sense of....

So we are rambling, trying to see if we can get to it. It can drive others batty I agree, but it is how we are wired.

[Why Syzygy]

45. Well

of course that makes sense. Great place to ramble. Would never want to discourage that.

[smirkymonkey]

34. That's what I think too - although I am not ruling out

a "terra" attack for a one/two punch - Blame the Dems, declare martial law:

"The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007(H.R.5122), was signed by President Bush on October 17th, 2006, and allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities. Title V, Subtitle B, Part II, Section 525(a) of the JWDAA of 2007 reads "The Secretary concerned may order a member of a reserve component under the Secretary's jurisdiction to active duty...The training or duty ordered to be performed...may include...support of operations or missions undertaken by the member's unit at the request of the President or Secretary of Defense."

[BlueIris]

22. I just wish I could get a read on what it IS.

Not even my very, very "insider" friends know why the Republicans didn't attempt another major theft. Or if they know, they're not saying, which, well...egh. That's making me the most uneasy--not being able to figure out, logically or psychically, why the fuck the victories were recognized. And like I posted above, a tiny part of me is still holding back about getting excited WRT the election victories. We may not get to keep the kind of majority it appears we have at this time.

[cassiepriam]

26. I know, it is frustrating when the pieces don't make sense.

I suppose it is possible that the repugs couldn't
fight the huge tide of negative sentiment against them. Stealing an election is easy when the country is fairly evenly divided. But much harder when the numbers are stacked against you.
It may have been too obvious and raised a stink.

And they may have figured mid term elections are not as important as 08, so let it go.

They have 2 yrs to smear the Dems, get the propaganda machine in place and in the meantime the dems can clean up their mess and refill the US treasury. It was getting to be a drag robbing an empty piggy bank.

They move Jeb in and the dictatorship continues.

The other thing is that to those who benefited the most from the bush regime, it may not matter who won the election. Everyone who was supposed to get vastly wealthy did. The heist is over and they laugh all the way to the bank, not caring who is in power for a couple of years.

[crikkett]

23. You see...they did try...

They had no reason not to try to steal this election.

It.just.didn't.work.

[Why Syzygy]

31. You never fail

to bring gloom and doom. Never. I know people here love you. I have to say that you are the gloomist person I know. Nothing but negativity. And I have a friends who are suffering with life challenging situations.

No matter how much encouragement you have been given over and over, you still persist in being Ms. Gloom. I'm sorry, but I find you frustrating. Have you ever stopped for a moment and given a word of thanks? Thank you for the awful roomates I have. Thank you that I met my twin soul? Thanks that a little frog fell in my window? You don't think anyone hears you? Reading loud and clear.

I almost feel guilty because I am so aware of my blessings. Iris, wake up! Say, thank you, for something, anything.

ed: I have been waiting a long time to get that off my chest. New life is on my plane and I am losing patience with people who are not getting it. That was another of your tenants for a long time. You never post a positive message. You don't like the sould searching, the moving to a next plane. Well? SO WHAT? Did anyone ever say, oh we will wait while Iris decides she feels comfortable to move along? If so, I missed the memo. Life does not wait. It is here, it is now. Do you think you get to keep ding dress rehearsals? Show up!

[elehhhhna]

41. I know why they folded...

The "little people" -- the cogs that make voter fraud WORK-- programmers, election officials, etc., have come to realize that they will pay for the crimes they're asked to commit.

[BlueIris]

57. Makes sense. But I'm also starting to wonder if some other poeple,

people who have always, always supported the neo-cons, finally yanked the rug out from underneath them. It's a stretch, even for me, but I could believe it. I think the militarized, far-right faction of CIA that has been backing this crew since the early '60s finally revoked its support, if for no other reason than it wouldn't have been pragmatic for them to help Republicans stay in power in the face of this much opposition.

[elehhhhna]

58. or else they already have what they really wanted:

Carlyle Group owns the co that's got the contract to RUN the US Office of Personnel Mgmt (does hiring & security-clearance background checks).

Carlyle is a finalist in the resale of our ports from Dubai.

Carlyle is the biggest Mil equip./weapons contractor in the world now.

and much, much, much more.

Carlyle is also owned in large part by the Bush family, James Baker, the Emir of Dubai (just bought a large share) and the BinLaden Group.

Then there's Halliburton.

They privatised everything, then granted themselves the contracts. They even put US into debt so they could steal borrowed money, too. Our kids will pay this back forever.

Theft is so much easier under cover of chaos. Look at us, and Iraq as well.

We'll need some psychic forensic accountants to untangle this mess.

[cassiepriam]

59. Trillons of dollars gone. Yes they are all happy.

Everyone who was supposed to get rich did.

I am familiar with how the bush oil mafia
works and yes their money trails are very convoluted
and complex, deliberately so.

[divineorder]

65. Think About Some of the Things Shrub has been doing.

First of all, he's abused the CIA/FBI professionals severely for doing their jobs and bringing them stuff he doesn't want to hear. Then, he puts a hack in charge of the Agencies and political appointees and tries to move out the experienced people. Not to mention the distruption by moving so many people from the various agencies around in that maze of a new agency at Homeland Security. Secondly, he has abused the military professionals with this endless Iraq war and the sheer waste of men over in Iraq.

He hasn't delivered on his promises to the base either. Abortion is still legal, and homosexuality? Meaningless State Amendments and little more. Apparently according to Kuo, the fundie churches that went out of their way to deliver the vote for him has recieved relatively little of the faith-based money promised to them.

Last but not least-look at the way Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell who rigged the elections was treated by him. Katherine was kicked to the curb and Blackwell got little support either. They had outlived their usefulness to George Bush, as far as he was concerned he did not need to reward them for sticking their necks out.

Diebold has recieved little real benefit because of their vote-rigging machines. Indeed, the whole election machine division gives the whole brand a bad name, and the company wants to divest. Its not as if election machines are all that profitable-there's a limited amount of buyers, and most of them want to keep their machines for years rather than pay for new and more expensive equipment. Not to mention the expenses for election day support and maintenance.

The result is that the people he would have needed to do a mass rigging just weren't there at all and didn't care to help.

[divineorder]

66. Also, the strategy

Depended on the old Democratic consultant strategy of: target a select number of districts just above the number needed to win, bombard them with TV ads. Then make sure you diss your base so that suburbanites can feel as if the candidate isn't one of those threatening leftists. It made it easy for the GOP to figure out which districts and bombard them with all sorts of money and effort.

But Howard Dean is playing 3D chess. Everything on all levels is in play, which means you can't figure out which areas really need to be rigged, changes are so volatile and unexpected, the money is spread too thin, the people needed are too many for a conspiracy to work. And since the base isn't being dissed, the turnout goes way beyond the usual numbers.

[cassiepriam]

67. So a combination of factors:

Bush has angered many of his supporters and co conspirators.
And the Dems got very very smart and outfoxed them on strategy.

Thanks for your insight Div.

[cassiepriam]

7. When in doubt, go back to basics, and look at the deeper

meanings. Not just the standard interpretation.

Mercury is known as the messenger. He is often depicted as the winged messenger of the gods.

His glyph is the circle of spirit surrounded by the crescent of the soul. This indicates the triumph of mind over matter and an active intellligence that can channel impulses from above and below, and from the depths of one's psyche.

It is the planet of communication and the mind. Mercury can take in a great deal of information, synthesize it and then make a great leap of intuition.

Mercury transits indicate mental clarity and communication, mental shifts and new information.

And a retrograde means that something can be blocked or slowed down, or can be powerfully intensified.

[elehhhhna]

9. oooh. that's a good post, cassiepriam. thank you.

[BlueIris]

11. Here's another issue I thought of re: the Merc retrograde factor.

Maybe the retrograde just messed with the Republican side of things this time? As I posted above, I have no idea.

[cassiepriam]

12. LOL yes, possible, anything mechanical, electrical or has moving parts

.... could mean some of their carefully laid plans to rig the elections had a lot of glitches.

And anything to do with communication plans, transportation, etc.

[wickfordbard]

19. In the larger scheme of things, maybe Mercury finally got his marching orders!

Just after I got off the phone with Stella yesterday afternoon, I got a chance to look through a telescope and saw Mercury 'eclipsing' the sun - well, let's just say, standing in awe in front of the sun. It looked three dimensional - or my imaginal eyes were seeing it that way. There was tiny little Mercury standing - as it were - in front of this majestic ball of fire and light. Sort of like our consciousness compared to spirit's. Well, it got me thinking. Maybe our rational minds (Mercury) just got infused with LIGHT so bright that our collective brain got transformed (in Scorpio). Even Bush said he really thought they were going to win. Stella's insight into creating a positive attitude about the machines might be the answer to this Mercury Retrograde period for all of us. Our united collective thoughts can manifest change. The R's got too complacent and their base is disturbed by all the corruption. They weren't as focused on victory as we were.

Anyway, Hi. I'm new on the site. And did anyone else see Mercury's transit?

[I Have A Dream]

20. Welcome, wickfordbard! Very interesting about the Mercury transit.

I really like the analogy.

:hi:

[cassiepriam]

27. No I didn't get to see it. Wow, what a treat.

Mercury making a visit to the sun.
A rare event.

Maybe Merc did get an infusion of light and energy. Or maybe it is the other way around.
Merc had a talk with the sun: get your act
together. Get into your head and wise up.

Maybe they energy went both ways!
Something sure as heck happened!

Welcome to the forum.

Edited to add that mercury transits the sun
only 13 times a century.

[cassiepriam]

28. here's a picture of the transit.

http://news.com.com/2300-11397_3-6133279.html

[Dora]

46. That's beautiful.

I think I've never seen a photo of the sun like that before. I was moved just by looking at it.

We are so small.

[cassiepriam]

53. Yes, Mercury looks like a speck.

[stellanoir]

37. It is my profound and absolute pleasure to welcome my dear

friend wickfordbard to this forum.

I don't know whether she even knows this but I often refer to her to others as "the story lady."

I've never met anyone who has a better understanding of myths, legends, and symbolism. She is an ace interpreter of dreams as well.

I'll start an official introduction thread sometime later today.

Yaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. I'm so pleased you've arrived. :)

[liberalnurse]

56. Welcome to DU and the Astro-Spiritual Forum!

O8)

[Why Syzygy]

29. What I wanna know

is why the new Defense Minister a "former" Cia chief.

I'll take a wild guess that little George is owned by the Cia, his daddy's town.
For some reason that gives me comfort. Never would have thought that I would be on the side of cia. In this case, yeah I trust them more. I'm not going to think about that too much.

[japple]

43. I think Ole Poppy Bush told Jr. "the jig is up. You've

screwed up yet another opportunity. I'm going to send in my boys (Baker and Gates, et al) to help clean up this mess."

[Dora]

47. Yeah, but "clean up" doesn't necessarily mean "clean."

I don't trust any of this. I'm ecstatic at the election results, and I'm pro-investigations, pro-impeachment.

But Poppy's intervention makes me more nervous. He's far more skilled at deception and skullduggery than his son.

Mmmmm-mmmm. Makes me shake my head in dismay.

[cassiepriam]

60. clean up means cover up?

Business as usually for poppy with junior.
Been doing it for many decades now.

[cassiepriam]

50. Daddy took over, junior taken to woodshed by the elders

of the Bush mafia.

[elehhhhna]

40. Here's Lutins post for TODAY: (I love this guy!)

friday

10 november

It's so rare

so rare

in the midst of turmoil and strife

and all the headaches we have in this world

sickness, fighting, poverty

there is a rare moment like today

when a kiss between Cancer and Scorpio

makes us forget all our troubles

For those two signs an especially rare

moment of tenderness and intimacy

even for the rest of us

moon, venus jupiter

granted, it's just a moment

but it's funny how we will

endure life in

squalor, or deprivation or hardship

and wonder what the hell we are doing it for

then a moment comes

a kiss from the Universe...

[LaurenG]

44. I think the elections went exactly as spirit wanted them to go

In the big picture no matter why we won, the good thing is we won both the house and senate. The democrats have an opportunity to make good - many of the wrongs that have been made in the past by gw. I have faith that the "good" will prevail.

My take on this:

There are powers that be whom have threatened the republicans, maybe Fitz maybe someone else on that level or higher but they were not about to win if the American public didn't vote them in.

Someone(s) is holding proof positive of past misdeeds directly over their heads. It's just a gut feeling and something that may never come to the general publics attention but someone(s) has stated firmly that the corruption must end and heads will roll. I think this battle has just begun.

I will hold the US congress in the light and pray for their success.

[TNOE]

48. I agree

We've had so much negativity and so much crap we've been forced to swallow these past 6 years, I keep thinking - what are they up to??

But I do believe "good" prevailed. I know I for one was asking the higher beings to mess with the electronic voting machines so the votes would be switched for the highest good. Who knows, maybe this administration was punked. They did seem very surprised at the huge amount of losses. :)

[LaurenG]

49. Lol, I love the way you put this:

"maybe this administration was punked. They did seem very surprised at the huge amount of losses". :rofl: They certainly needed to be punked.

Another thing is that the Dems KNOW what the admin has done. Kerry wasn't pulling ANY punches and I get the feeling he MEANT every word he said about bush. We know they know and some higher ups know. Take a look at Condis face in this picture. Something is up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2954807&mesg_id=2954807

[cassiepriam]

52. Yes I am assuming that Kerry, Mrutha et al know much more

than they have disclosed, and so have the repug leaders.
They know that * is out of control and drunk most of the time
for example.

[elehhhhna]

54. The cia mutinied

hushed up but mutiny nevertheless.

[cassiepriam]

55. Military did too. Probably State dept as well.

Actually might be easier to list who didn't mutiny.

[cassiepriam]

51. Yes that makes sense.

And to prove the point, some heads did roll publicly.
Foley, etc.

[elehhhhna]

63. It's all becoming clear now--What GW is up to:

It's Official! GW Has Outsourced The Office of The President of the US to The Carlyle Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2694674&mesg_id=2694674

[stellanoir]

64. I get the distinct feeling that * has been nothing more than

their stooge all along anyhoo. Maybe they set him up to fall so they could waltz in as the great redeemers after being humiliated by Iran/Contra. Not sure, but their grip on this administration has been unwaivering.