Anyone hear the radio ads about "prayer"?

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So, I was listening to Coast to Coast, and an outfit comes on the air advertising continual "prayer", and "healing vibrations" and you can either call them or go to a website. I am into the healing vibration stuff and it got me curious! I went to their website.

As I had surmised, this a computerized thing from a a radionics device (program), though that is a little hard to tell unless you follow the links. This is one of those things that I would have thought was complete hooey just a few years ago. They market it as prayer and they tell everyone to go to the doctor for medical problems. Even in the "testimonials" they only have really general things like "I don't seem to get sick as often,", etc.

My (former) NAET practitioner who is now a sort of friend gets into this computerized stuff in a big way. I think she must use subtle energies to increase her wealth in various ways because this stuff is expensive. And, sure enough, she has this latest computer program, CoRe, which is from Germany, and she says is "very advanced." I can't comment on it because she hasn't tried this on me or anybody I know. She did just get back from "training" in California.

I do know something about computerized radionics because I have a really cheap program I got off Ebay that I use all the time. However it doesn't come with a database (I keep working on mine) and definitely does not do "testing" automatically. The "testing" that a CoRe would do would be analagous to a computerized pendulum or muscle testing. So, somehow (it claims, implicitly, at least) to be able to get yes/no answers at a distance, using only the name, birthday, etc. of a person, and its database. Probably it uses some sort of random number generator to do that. It then would (automatically?) clear blockages that a person has. (That is what the computer radionics device I have does, so that doesn't seem as strange to me). I'm not sure how much this costs but I would say upwards of ten grand. There is some competition in this area, but not sure how much distance "testing" the others claim to do, without using a surrogate, anyway. There is QXCI, and Life Systems. My practitioner friend used to use Life Systems all the time (another program that is over ten grand).

Notwithstanding the high cost of the program, the California people stand to make a bundle off this, if their marketing is successful. Three months of "prayer" for someone cost between three and four hundred dollars, and a lifetime worth is $1850. I think they just click a mouse every day for each person, and maybe run a written report periodically.

I do have a lot of confidence in my friend, and what she buys, I think. My question is, if this stuff works, what will be the consequences of all these healing vibrations going out there? Could we be on the cusp of an actual revolution? I think there are some really intelligent people working in this field, mainly in Europe.

Also, as noted here before, there is the potential to use any energetic healing modality for ill. Is there a way to program these things so they are only used for healing?

I do think of all this as somewhat different from "prayer", but that is probably the best legal way to market the services.

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1. that is very interesting...

I would like to find out how accurate a computer energy reading would be - somewhat sceptical, but certainly open, because I now tend to think perhaps our energy vibrations and the entire cosmos has a mathematic base formula.

But if the computations are based on birth data and name, how does it compute other energies that must be present at any given time which comes from the environment, from other people, locations and circumstances?

Certainly something that would be interesting to watch, and I also agree it does not seem to fit the definition of a "prayer".


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2. just guessing

The website has a form that has to be completed by the person, including a box that must be checked saying you will accept the vibrations. It probably has credit card info too, LOL!! So maybe that is the "distinguishing" part of this. Technically I think this may be possible but I am a little skeptical about the testing part of this, as I have not seen anything like this before. Still, I have a good degree of confidence in my friend that just bought this very expensive system. I am really used to being tested with a Biomeridian, but that is with skin resistance, the intent of the operator, and not by distance (unless I am the surrogate).

The Life Systems is a little different in that I had to be attached to that with foot pads and a head band. Apparently it can treat by distance when one is not attached to it, but I don't think it can test by distance, but it does go through the database and test automatically (random number generator??)when one is attached.

It is a prayer, but it is not a prayer, kind of. It would be like a prayer for a very specific thing, as in, "all blockages associated with my mother and the emotion anger and hopelessness are cleared, and in association with the element calcium and Age 3." I'm just giving that as an example. I am not sure if it does something like that or not, but that is the type thing the operator can do with a Biomeridian. It is just that with prayer one doesn't "test" to know if a certain type of prayer is needed (yes/no). Plus generally with prayer there is a Supreme Being (or saint or something) that one prays to. With this stuff it is likely just the superconsciousness or collective consciousness. I am thinking that one reason the "prayer" is used so as not to get in trouble with any medical authorities.

Suppose a lot of this stuff is used, and it *is* effective, and people keep perfecting it and it gets better? How will this affect society as a whole? This has all been so hidden in the past. What with nationwide radio advertising we might be entering into a whole new era.

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3. the "prayer" part is probably directed to those

who can identify with the concept of prayer easier than with other terminology of intent, which I believe "prayer" is, and yes independently or collectively and as you say, traditional beliefs are promoting an idependent being, who controls all.

The distant reading part by a computer is the puzzle, but what if? The ad, perhaps a manifestation of the acceleration towards the "shift".

As for society, I think the big pharmaceuticals will raise hell, and scream bloody murder, and then will jump on the band wagon to survive but it will be too late - just like the auto industry.



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4. the computer

I do get the "treatment" part of this with computer program. I don't get the testing, except maybe theoretically.

The treatment part of it is due to working like a "symbolic" radionics device. Whenever I start thinking that I am a little crazy over all this stuff I always go back to the same book "Amazing and Wonderful Mind Machines You Can Build" by G. Harry Stine. He worked in traditional science (physics, and wrote books for kids on rocketry) in the 50s. The book is extremely hard to get now. Even if Amazon lists it, they don't really have it.

He talks about pendulums, dowsing rods, etc., and he gives plans for what is the Hieronymous machine. It is closely related to a radionics device, but I can't really tell you the difference. It does have a "sticking pad" for yes/no answers.

The really great part of the book, and the eye opener for me (and definitely for him) was that a symbolic Hieronymous machine (just a drawing!!) also worked.

Stine tested all this stuff wanting to prove it wrong, and ended up proving in right. This is my favorite part of the book so I will quote it.

After making the symbolic Heironymous machine and then testing it--

"It didn't work on the first try. I was about to write it off when I decided that there was something wrong with the circuit. There was no provision for a filament heater power supply for the vacuum tube symbol. So I added a symbolic filament inside the symbolic tube and "wired" it symbolically to a symbolic filament battery.

I was then hugely surpirsed when my symbolic Heironymous machine worked!

My wife Barbara could get no response from it. But about 80% of my scientific and engineering colleagues did at White Sands Proving Ground and at the New Mexico College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts.

snip..........

I've encountered two fascinating and inexplicable problems: a. every couple of years, I must re-ink the battery symbols because the symbolic batteries appear to go "dead" and (b) I have to re-ink the vacuum tube symbol every ten years to put a "new and fresh" tube in the system."

You get the idea. I just had to quote that I love it so much.

Anyway, I would love to know the mechanism for "testing." Yes I can test people I don't know at a distance with muscle testing or pendulum but I have no idea how a computer does that. Actually I think some computer programs have random number generators but I had no idea they could be that sensitive.

This is so far out there that I doubt if big pharma is worried.............yet. Some of the other things out there seem to fit in the FDA definition of "medical device" as a biofeedback device. But they are attached to the person in some way, or touch the person (QXCI, Biomeridian, Life Systems). I think the FDA would have a hard time trying to regulate an unattached "prayer" device. I am not sure where these other things are with regard to approval, etc. They are all different, but a lot of the same principles are in play.

Yes, I am thinking the ad is a manifestation towards a shift. I can't believe my friend would have bought the CoRe if it didn't work. If I ever try it out sometime I will post my experience.

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5. sounds like a fascinating book

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I'd love to hear your experience, should you have a chance to try it. :)

You know there is a lot of debate in physics research cycles about the influence of the researcher himself on the outcome of any particular research (measurements)
The thoughts and intent of the researcher seem to affect the outcome - but again, that is also in close proximity.

How exiting :)

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6. but then, there is "spooky action at a distance"

see EPR paradox in Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox

.........mostly about non-locality.

The Biomeridian (and other electrodermal screening devices) must to some extent rely on intent of the operator. I can tell from many times being tested with this that there is a sort of a circuit that is created between the practitioner and the patient. There is actually one study on allergies using such a device (this is close to NAET, but using electrodermal screening instead of applied kinesiology for testing, and a slightly different protocol)--

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed

The Biomeridian actually makes the "vials" (electromagnetic signatures) used in NAET and other energetic "desensitization" modalities. The electromagnetic signatures are basically the name of the item on the vial, and, water slurping up energy--kind of enhancing the word. That's why a lot of people just use little pieces of paper with the word written on it, instead of official "vials". The intent is probably in the operator, the person being tested AND in the machine itself. William Tiller, materials scientist at Stanford, featured in What the Bleep, has lots of books out about the actual conditioning of machines. He has a heck of a time trying to have work in that area published. Conditioning of computer programs probably does occur, and fairly easily, but I can't prove it. Conditioning of the CoRe may be one answer as to how it does what it does. Even the little program that I use feels conditioned--mostly by the way I use it, but maybe also by how others use the same program (non locality).