A Thanksgiving Prayer perhaps . . ? Let's consider trying a little co creation with one another.

[stellanoir]

Okay I tried to work on this earlier today but it is hard to type and weild a paring knife towards the mountains of vegetables required for my "wild Indian protest dish" simultaneously, though I can actually manage to walk and chew bubble gum from time to time.

Could use some help here guys.

Would like to post a collective work in GD by mid to late morning tomorrow. EST

Any input would be truly appreciated. I really need help with the middle part.

Thanks in advance and this was triggered by two other posts from earlier today for which I'll post links shortly.

on edit. . .Here's they are . . .

this one is intense. . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x247524

this one is far more plaintive.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2781402

So let's start talking about remedies maybe. . .

This one, so far starts with an older prayer. . . (and forget about going "wee wee all the way ""OM" okay. . .?)

"Calling upon the essence of the fire, the air, the earth, the water (you can even add ether if you do so desire). . .and calling upon the forces of all of creation, in expression of, and with reverence for, universal laws, great love,and truly spiritual and lasting mendings in each, and all of our lives, we ask for guidance, wisdom, insight, humility, clarity, compassion, and "humour," on this day and night, and from each and every day and night to come. We give thanks for the many blessings bestowed upon our lives and ask for assistance in becoming far better stewards of those many blessings."

(Now any suggestions, amendments, or edits would be greatly appreciated as this next part is still pretty rough,)

May we true souls cocreate with spirit, enlightenment for those misguided souls who operate under the antiquated ruse that a lasting power can ever be achieved through means of violence or deception or that it can do anything other than result in perpetuation of multitudinous retributions, and that those souls who refuse to accept this universal truth be stripped of their authority, usurped power, entirely ignored responsibilities, and presumed and most unwarranted impunity.

May we co create with spirit that those who hoard more wealth than they could ever spend, be infused with an unprecedented generosity and thereby balance the acute disparity between the wealthy and the poor, and exponentially and thusly, re-empower the middle class.

May we manifest true expressions of justice in complete accordance with universal law. May we be represented by leadership globally, that is capable of the renewed ability to operate with integrity, diplomacy, compromise, honesty, peaceful intentions, ethical behaviors, being ever mindful of the greater good for ALL. May we true souls demand and co create with spirit the absolute eradication of violence, torture, blatant avarice from this once and soon to be again blessed sphere.

May I humbly suggest once more that we consider doing at least 3 of the "19 tricks, or Weapons of Massive Creation for Global Amelioration." . .

2. Visualize the planet bathed in a regal violet-purple light at least
momentarily once daily. It is s really easy to project
violet-purple light when earth icon appears on your screen.
Consider scrolling down at the link here. . . .

http://www.lovearth.net/

(Violet-"Purple rain, purple""reign". . . : )

It can be that simple and easy for those who are unaccustomed to
routine visualization. For reasons I'll explain in far greater
specificity in a subsequent version, violet-purple rays of
transmutational light will gently wake up several sleeping souls
and solve problems, ages old in many places and will ameliorate
even circumstances most dire. Focusing on regions most conflicted
(D.C., the MidEast, Iraq. the Gulf Coast, Darfur & Chad as well as
the entire continent of Africa. . .etc) will help as well.

(For those of earthier orientations who unlike many spiritualists,
don't necessarily resonate with the violet-purple vibration,
another alternative suggested by a differing source would be to
project a vibrant green around the globe. That color will most
likely hasten the healing of our woefully damaged ecosystems and
many sad and bleeding hearts as well. )

3. Inspire as many smiles as is possible in each and every day by
cracking as many uplifting jokes as often as is possible especially
with strangers. Uplifting jokes are opposed to those that are mean
spirited and denigrating (see a certain "fearful leader"'s
so-called sense of humor for reference.) You see, the best humor
is never intended to be at the expense of others though sometimes
and more funnily seems to be at expense of self. Humor may be the
tonic for these times and is may just be orientation that unifies
us all regardless of our religious orientations. Some
astrophysicists have suggested the the primary chemical component
at the very center of the gallaxy is NO2 (aka laughing gas.)

4. Figuring eight whenever you sense imbalances, and/or once daily for
just a minute or two. Here's how one can do that. . .

"Eighteen years ago I was guided to raise my hands over my head and
envision my spiritual source. In a similar manner, I have also
drawn down specific planetary and solar and lunar energies at
various times, as well. I visualize energy descending through my
left arm and crossing over to the right side of my body between
the nape of my neck (where central nervous system wiring switches
over from one side to the other) and my heart chakra. Then the
energy goes down through my right side and through my right leg
down to the center of the earth where it merges miraculously with
Gaia, and then loops back up returning to earth's surface then
travels up my left leg up the left side of my body crossing
over to right side. Again it passes between my heart chakra, and
the nape of my neck, and then goes out my right arm returning to
my spiritual source. Over time and with a modicum of practice it
scarcely takes a nanosecond to enact but has greater effect if
simply sustained for a moment or two. (Has anyone noticed that
we've had far fewer natural disasters since I humbly sent this a
year ago?)

Energetically it balances higher and lower energies. It can be
useful for many who feel disconnected, stressed, or concerned
about the apparent extreme imbalances between potential and form,
of which Gaia appears to be processing and releasing now at an
unprecedented rate. Whenever in doubt, maybe go figure 8.

In my heart and soul, I know that if enough true souls practice
this when spirit moves them to do so, many of the the severe earth
changes and extreme weather conditions, and their awful, and most
harrowing repercussions that have occurred, are still expected
over the next few years will be mollified, and conditions of
suffering and hardship on the planet will be ameliorated more
expediently, and far more gently than they would be otherwise if a
plethora of true souls would not do so.
It's as simple as that run on sentence suggests. :)"

Peace be upon you and verily this entire sphere.

Happy Thanksgiving.

"Prayers of gratitude are always the most powerful of all."

ps. I may need to ixney the year old tricks (but I loathe doing so as I know they have impact) and embellish the middle prayer. Am not sure. If you've not time for this then it's cool. The holidays are always bananas. Have fun anyway.

[BlueIris]

1. I'm on it, Chief.

Despite having seen your wonderful list in its entirity, I had forgotten about the figure 8 thing. That's great.

[stellanoir]

2. Hey

When did I become "Chief." I only signed on for a "duck, duck, goose" scenario.

LOL

No seriously, I thought it might be fun to craft a prayer together, but having read those two posts I had craved some tempering before doing so

Heck, I'm a Mars in Libra chick and always need affirmation from somewhere before acting.

Rest assured I'll give credit wherever it is due.

Hope you're feeling better love. And that the roomies are abated for now at least.

best

[BlueIris]

3. Oh, Iris is much improved, thanks.

The roommate thing is only going to get better once I have the financial resources to live somewhere else, though. Probably won't happen until July or so of next year. Hopefully, this is one of the last times I'll have to post about it (long story). Thanks for asking.

By the by, is the desire to envision green light around the earth really linked to an "earth sign" perspective? The truth is, I like the violet light of transmutation just fine, but green is so much...easier on my mind's eye.

[stellanoir]

9. Violet-purple is totally inspired by St. Germain

and intended to soothe and enlighten the devisive rift between the extremes of red and blues.

The green was suggested in a Matthew message a while ago and when I read it, the thought occurred to me that some folks really can't relate to the purple vibration but most can relate to green, and then I thought of all that green represents, especially the heart center, so I amended the trick.

[cassiepriam]

14. Green is healing. Purple is transmutation?

Either is good I think.

[rumpel]

4. struggling here

want to add something of worth - drawing blank

If I have an enlightened moment - I'll post - however I think it is a nice one as it is

"May we co-create hope and restore dignity to those who fell to the bottom, the sick and the forgotten, a true global community in balance and harmony"...

[cassiepriam]

8. I like that, very good. nt

[cassiepriam]

5. Stella, promise not to hang me by my toes!

I am editing your work.

I think it is important to keep the audience in mind, and if this is going to GD I think the woo woo stuff has to be toned down so as not to turn them off. We want them to get the main points, not get side tracked on the wording.

I think your work has many powerful ideas, but the average reader is going to get overwhelmed because there is so much meaty stuff all in one sentence. I do not think the average brain can absorb more that one big thought at a time. So I separated out the sentences to make the impact greater. Also I deleted parts that I thought diluted the power of your words.

Basically I pruned a lot, so the average person could see the beauty and the power of your words.

[cassiepriam]

6. Here it is.....my .02

(I think it is beautiful Stella. You did a very nice job.
And I would let it stand alone, not add the visualization.
Or I would make it just a short visualization. You have to keep in mind that the average attention span is quite short.)

Calling upon the forces of all of creation, and with reverence for universal laws, and with great love, we ask for guidance, wisdom, insight, humility, clarity, compassion, and humor, on this day, and from each and every day to come. We give thanks for the many blessings bestowed upon our lives and ask for assistance in becoming far better stewards of those many blessings.

We ask for enlightenment for those misguided souls who operate under the antiquated ruse that a lasting power can ever be achieved through means of violence or deception. Or that it can do anything other than result in perpetuation of multitudinous retributions. And that those souls who refuse to accept this universal truth be stripped of their authority and power.

We ask that that those who hoard more wealth than they could ever spend, be infused with an unprecedented generosity and thereby balance the acute disparity between the wealthy and the poor, and also re-empower the middle class.

May we manifest true expressions of justice in complete accordance with universal law. May we be represented by leadership that is capable of the ability to operate with integrity, diplomacy, compromise, honesty, peaceful intentions, ethical behaviors, being ever mindful of the greater good for ALL. May we demand and co create with spirit the absolute eradication of violence, torture, blatant avarice from this once and soon to be again blessed sphere.

[stellanoir]

7. Cassie you are absolutely right even on an odd day.

:)

I slept far later than I normally do so I'm running a bit behind.

After imbibing a morning beverage, orchestrating a dessert, and doing some obligatory dishes. I'll post this, integrating your edit and rumpel's great one liner with full credit given or alluded to as our illustrious though sometimes sleepy group.

Please chime in and let me know whether or not you think it's better to be credited specifically or as a group.

This was a fun endeavor albeit a last minute one. It would be really cool if we could collaberate for events in the future and try to put our heads together to relentlessly pick on GD so they stop spewing all the vitriol all the time and do something perhaps more creative with their consciousness. That is my wish and I'm stickin' to it. LOL

[cassiepriam]

10. It should come from either you and Rumpel, or the group as a whole?

I did not do anything that warrants an individual credit.
All I did was a bit of pruning to make the power and beauty
of your words shine.

I really like the idea of this forum contributing to the rest of DU.
But I know that there has been concern in the past about
bringing too much attention to our forum. We like to stay below
the radar screen. On the other hand, my vision has been to find
a way to provide service to DU in general. I really like the idea of collaborative writing.

I think it is up to the rest of this forum to decide how they want to do it.

It could be posted by you with a credit to Rumpel, or from you with Rumple as second author, or from the group as a whole.

[stellanoir]

11. Methinks rumpel lives in the PST zone so I'll

give her a little more time to chime in. LOL Far better than living in the PTS zone. I so-o-o loathe that particlar lable as it infers permanance and a condition that cannot be healed .

I always say what ever happened to good old "shock and recovery" . . .?

I agree with you about not calling undue attention to this forum, as we tend to post about really personal issues here

Okay another hour or so and I'll post it.

Thanks again for your help.

[cassiepriam]

12. Sounds good,

Perhaps we could come up with a collective name
which would reflect a group effort, a group nom de plume
so to speak.

Or we can keep having you post it Stella under your name with
appropriate credits, if you are willing to take the heat :)

[Why Syzygy]

13. I love the idea of

collaboration. And also agree this forum should remain a safe haven. A pseudonym, as Cassie suggests, perhaps?

[stellanoir]

15. posted here. . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2790130

[rumpel]

16. Hi sorry, chiming in a little late

I am flattered at cassies suggestion, but this has to come from stella energy - I just add my humble intention :)

attended deeksha - just finished
Dr. Calleman spoke first from Sweden, with Anette
tomorrow is the beginning of the 5th day - a huge portal is open now
meditating on: thanking, forgiven and forgiving, the karmic contract is now complete = embracing All

:grouphug:

[rumpel]

17. someone has to kick this later

[stellanoir]

18. an e-mail I just got

Thanksgiving Meditation 2006
To the Force of Life and Love in the Universe:

Thank you for all the goodness in my life. How amazing it is to be blessed with the
ability to see and take in the magnificence of the universe.

In my daily life, I'm often distracted from noticing the marvels and miracles that
surround me. There is so much to accomplish, so many hurdles to jump, so much
that I feel needs attending. I sometimes get so involved in the immediate tasks that
I lose sight of the larger amazing realities that abound in my life.

That danger lurks for this Thanksgiving-that I'll become immersed in the details,
the event of it, the sharing of it, and the loneliness of it, the disappointments at
moments of potential closeness not fully actualized, as well as in the moments of
joyous connection to my immediate friends and family, and that I'll not take the
time for real celebration.

So I want to take this moment to more fully acknowledge what I know but rarely say to myself:

The universe did not have to evolve in the direction of creating conscious creatures who
could yearn for love and could appreciate complexity and could rejoice in the abundance
and manifest kindness. Thank you universe, thank you the consciousness of the universe,
thank you the evolutionary force of the universe, thank you God, thank you the Force of
Life and Healing and Transformation, thank you however inadequate my formulation of
your name and your being, for having evolved in this particular direction so that life
would emerge from the elements, so that consciousness would emerge from life, so
that kindness and love and attraction to peace and justice would emerge from consciousness.

This country in which I reside has so much beauty in its hills and mountains, its rivers and
streams, its forests and marshes, its oceans and lakes. How amazing to be able to be in the
presence of all this beauty. I am in awe of the grandeur of this universe with all its complexity
and beauty.

I celebrate this particular body which I at once am and inhabit, this blend of consciousness
and part unconsciousness, at every moment operating on multiple levels, tapping in to the
larger pool of consciousness of the universe in the ways that I can with all the limitations
that are part of my consciousness receptors (and all the levels of consciousness that are
available to me but which I have not yet fully explored), breathing and being breathed by
the universe, pumping blood, taking in and expelling parts of the world, listening, smelling,
tasting, seeing, hearing, and perceiving, forming plans and assessing information and
dreaming dreams, connecting me to others in emotional and physical ways that are
pleasurable-making me an ongoing miracle of life.

I rejoice in all that I am and all that I have been and all that I will become, knowing that this
too will pass, and that this miracle of embodied being will someday be merged back into
other forms of being from which I am made and from which I emerged, the matter and
consciousness of the universe, the Spirit that some people call God, and others, because
of the way that word has been appropriated by many religions to justify hurtful messages,
no longer call God..


I am thankful for my own personal life, for this particular set of dramas that I am part of
and which surround me at this moment of history.

I rejoice in the opportunities I have been given to play some role in advancing the
consciousness of the universe.

I stand on the platform of a thousand generations who developed agriculture and
food and recipes to cook or prepare, who developed technologies and medicines
that would make it possible for me to live a relatively gentle and easy life, who
developed language and the refinements of thought that were passed on to me by
parents and teachers and friends and books and movies so that I can now advance
and create new thoughts that are only possible because of all that has gone before
me and because I can draw upon their creativity which has become the common
property of the human race. I am grateful to the generations of humanity that
developed science, mathematics, experimental interactions with the universe,
and rational thought, and affirm all the goodness that has come from that powerful
enterprise, as well as affirming the need to develop ways for science to be expanded
or reconceived so that it can be more fully harnessed to the enterprise of building
a world of love, justice, generosity, awe, ecological sustainability and peace.

I have been given the knowledge of mystics and prophets and artists and poets from
which I can draw inspiration and sustenance when things look momentarily difficult.
I can learn the stories of the past, the history of others who similarly faced difficult
moments, moments in which it looked like the forces of darkness were triumphing,
and see that they too, like me, could not fully see how the darkness would be overcome,
and yet, learn also how it was overcome, time and time and time again.

And I can see how the best ventures of the human race were at times undermined when
people moved from hope to fear, but I can also learn how, even in the midst of fear, there
were prophets and poets who kept hope alive, even while being scorned themselves,
ridiculed, attacked verbally or physically, jailed or sometimes killed, yet they persisted,
and their hopefulness eventually was vindicated, sometimes hundreds or thousands of
years later. I am thankful for those who fought for democracy, human rights, civil liberties,
equality, and freedom so that in the moments when people come to awareness of the need
for fundamental changes, they have some political institutions like the vote, like separation
of church and state, like freedom of speech and assembly, like a jury system, to allow them
to in some limited ways put some constraints on the power of the arrogant elites of wealth
and power, on the energies that believe peace comes through domination of others, on the
fantasy that safety will be won through police and surveillance and limits on personal privacy.
And, yes, in 2006, I felt a little bit more hopeful because Americans rose up against the war
in Iraq and used these institutions with all their known limitations to express themselves and
call for an end to the war. So I know that the hopeful energies can return and become the
dominant reality, and I rejoice in the opportunity given to me to participate in the process of
nurturing those energies in the darkness and contributing to their return and renewal.

I have been given the joy to know others, to have contact with other people who are similarly
blessed with the gifts of life and who are similarly embodiments of the sacred energies of
the universe. Their very existence gives me hope. And, I've been able to connect with the
hopeful energies of Tikkun and The Network of Spiritual Progressives and its message that
the world can be healed and transformed, and that has become yet one more source to
reconfirm me in radical hope that the forces of love will eventually triumph. I can see the
amazing possibilities of the Network of Spiritual Progressives’ vision of a New Bottom Line in
which love and kindness and generosity is given as much public attention and taken as seriously
as the accumulation of money or power, and its attempt, already partially manifested in the
results of the 2006 election, to build a movement that unites progressive and liberal secular
people with progressive spiritual and religious people in a way that is mutually respectful. And
as I look carefully and examine my life, I can see that there are many other aspects of my life from
which I can also draw hope.

In this next month, I will commit myself to doing more to preserve the planet by reducing my
resisting the pressure to join the orgy of consumption that leads to the misuse of the earth’s
resources in the production of holiday gifts that are often quite unnecessary. I will join the
Network of Spiritual Progressives as a member, and I will spread its message that Christmas,
Chanukah, Kwanza, and other December holidays should not be about giving gifts of
“things”—which in a class society always leads people to feel inadequate for not having bought
enough or received enough of the expensive items that are being promoted for sale. Instead, I
will to the greatest extent possible give gifts of my time (e.g. some amount of hours to provide
something my friends or neighbors actually want—to this one, child care, to that one, help in
food shopping, to another, help with an elderly parent, to yet another, help in painting part of
their house or helping with their garden or teaching their children some skill or sport, or in some
other way sharing one’s time in a way that the particular person receiving the gift would actually
need and benefit from), and I will let others know that it is that kind of gift that I most wish to receive.

I rejoice in the goodness of all that I am, of all that I have been able to experience, of the
goodness of my family and friends, of all the amazing and wonderful people I have been
blessed to meet or to encounter through their writing, art, and music. I’ve been blessed
in all the bounty, wisdom, pleasure and joy, and even from the painful lessons and
disappointments, that I have inherited from the universe and from my family and from
all that I have come to experience and know. I am grateful for the generosity of the universe.
And I renew my commitment to bring more love, more kindness, more open-heartedness,
more non-violence, more peace, more social justice, more environmental sensitivity, and
more gratitude into the life that I live, into my encounters with others, and into the world
that I am helping to shape, and into the consciousness that I bring to each aspect of my life.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all this and for much more beyond all that I can put
into words.

With warm wishes for a meaningful Thanksgiving experience.


Michael

Rabbi Michael Lerner
Editor, Tikkun www.tikkun.org
Chair, The Network of Spiritual Progressives (with Sister Joan Chittister
and Prof. Cornel West) www.spiritualprogressives.org
Author: The Left Hand of God: Taking Back our Country from

[KAT119]

19. Rabbi Michael Lerner spoke @ a metaphysical Prophets Conference

in Palm Springs 2-3 yrs ago, and was very impressive with his depth of insight, tireless work for humanity,loving compassion-and was loudly, warmly, lovingly applauded by hundreds in attendance:-))

It would be just like him to take the time to respond @ length, on Thanksgiving Day, to your beautiful, profoundly meaningful and deeply needed Thanksgiving Prayer, Stella & Cassie and the great creative consciousness of our group.

[cassiepriam]

20. Very nice. A rabbi and a nun started Tikkun? Very interesting.

I am in a mediation/spiritually group led by a Rabbi.
He is a Jewish mystic of sorts. I was raised Catholic.
But he and I are on the same page spiritually.

[stellanoir]

21. woh so much to respond to

But I was "altogether elsewhere with familial obligations."

Probably due to my last minute efforts, this post sank like a stone.

Still, I'm furthermore tempted to contact skinner to see if we can have a collaborative username under something like "spirtual sisters" or something like that, which all of us have access to, to try and provoke all those great minds who continually express vitriol for this "misadministration" which are, in my smallish book, totallly non productive, redirect their focus to a better world to come.

Any suggestions are entirely welcomed.

Again Happy Thanksgiving/or taking, depending how you see it.

Blessings to you all.

[cassiepriam]

22. Sank like a stone, maybe it was my editing :(

I wonder if Skinner will approve such a scheme?
Perhaps he would think it is a sock puppet, which
I think is not allowed?

[stellanoir]

23. It wasn't in any way shape or form due to your editing silly.

I simply waited too long and was far too busy making my "wild indian protest dish" for five households, yattering on the phone, and simply didn't put enough conscious force or effort into it. I typically do several more edits before posting. Your editorial help was greatly appreciated and enormously helpful in a last minute effort and thanks again.

I still feel we should try this again when people aren't so generally distracted.

That Rabbi inspired tears in me, when I heard an interview with him last spring. One of my two spiritual teachers was a renegade hasidic mystic many, many, years ago. Having studied all sorts or religions, never had I found one that addressed the issues of sex and money: the two issues that muck up most people. The esoteric strain of that religion also held faith in a divine feminine in hiding. It blew my mind completely.

Dunno about the "sock puppet" thingy. I know there was some sort of hassle that grew out of a Clarke support group colluding to bump posts up a while ago. But a bunch of spiritualists trying to raise the dialogue here might not be a so much of a problem. Who knows. . .?

[cassiepriam]

24. Thanksgiving is a busy day, not many people reading DU?

Yes let's try it again. We can give ourselves more time.
Maybe something for the holidays in Dec?

Maybe Dream can help us on the technical end of it.
She must be gone for the holiday this weekend.
We can tell her what we want to do and maybe she can
figure a way for us to do it! Don't leave it up to
me, if there is a way to get on Skinner's bad list, I'll
chose that option by mistake :(.

BTW I like editing, much easier than trying to write the material
from scratch. I just get out the pruning shears and snip, snip, snip
here and there. :) It's lots of fun.

[cassiepriam]

25. renegade hassidic. That blows my mind :)

The rabbi I study with is Reform.
Actually he is a mystic, I keep telling him
he reminds me of St. Francis. :)

[stellanoir]

26. Yup let's definitely try again but I agree

that the process warrants taking some more time for optimum refinement. Mercury's and Uranus's stations had me slightly out of sorts.

I think it took 3 posts here, about two weeks, lots of PM's, some e-mails, and my former cowriter badgering me by insisting that I needed to hone my election day piece into 5 paragraphs to get that one to have legs. I couldn't even read it myself at that point so I asked a former journalist to take the ax to it which he thankfully did.

Yeah the renegade hassid was a trip and a half who I only met by purchasing a Siamese fighting fish that I named Gilgamesh.

The renegade hassid's father was a conservative rabbi. The renegade hassid resembled a member of ZZ top. He used to hide his payas (sp?) under a a bandana, and hid his yarmulka (sp?) under a baseball cap, and had an amazingly long beard. He insisted that I had a Jewish soul but I would only cop to having a Jewish sense of humor. Too bizarre really.

[cassiepriam]

27. I hate to cut down my own writing.

But I tend to be very wordy, and repetitive.
When I have my husband edit my stuff, he crosses
out every other line. :( He is a strong Gemini,
so he is no doubt correct.

That is wild about the Hassidic renegade. And yes I
pick up Jewish energy from you.

[stellanoir]

29. Phew it's so much easier to edit other people's stuff than one's own

for sure. That was sort of the notion behind trying to encourage more collaberation on stuff in this forum.

Do you rent your husband out ? :)

My son has Mercury and the Sun in Gemini in the 10th and he wanted to go somewhere and I said "gimmee five, I want to finish this edit." He put his hands on his hips and haughtily replied, "I've no use for editing." So of course I caved and hopped in the car.

Then I proceeded to try and tell him the difference between having Mercury in Earth versus Air. I have to edit in form (on the screen or on paper) whereas he edits in his head. I told him of the dual Mercurial rulership of Gemini and Virgo and how they squared one another.

He said, "So-o-o. . . this 90 degree angle walks into a bar. . .the bartender says "we don't serve your kind." The angle says, "but I'm right."

Ughhhhhhhhh

He went on to tell far funnier ones though.

Hope you had a wonderful holiday and thanks again for your edit. It was greatly appreciated.

[cassiepriam]

31. LOL I was going to tell you that you do not want to rent my husband,

he is a Gem sun and merc (12h), and Leo moon.
He does not take direction well and will drive
you crazy with his jokes.

But then I read about your son and an example of one of his
jokes, and I guess my hubby would fit right in :).........

I do all my writing in my head, the piece is mostly done by
the time I actually start typing.

[stellanoir]

34. I LOVE Leo Moons

I find that to be one of the funnier placements but I tend to cut them more than a little too much slack (with my Venus in Leo.)

My kid has Venus, Mars, & Jupiter in a tight conjunction in Leo in the 12th. Mars and Jupiter are conjunct to the precise minute and Venus proceeds that conjunction by 3 degrees.

He was sort of larger than life last lifetime for sure.

Does your husband have any past life recall and an unusually creative dream life? I find the Leo/Pisces (12th) combo really interesting. Does he have Pluto in the 12th as well?

If these questions are too personal for you to answer it's okay. I understand.

You just made me curious by the way you described him.

I don't need to rent him though really. You were plenty helpful enough and thanks again.

[cassiepriam]

35. You would love my house then...

Hubby has Mars, Pluto, (1h) Chiron, Moon (2h) in Leo.
Uranus, Saturn, Merc, Sun in Gemini all in 12h.

(Daughter has Leo Sun, Scorpio moon.)

Lots of strong, intense outgoing energy.
And then there is me.
Quiet, spacey, earth plane not my thing :(

Yes, like your son, hubby was a big cheese in his last lives.
Makes them a bit high maintenance in this one?

My hubby denies any psychic anything.
But he is always predicting things accurately,
and can be right on with intuitive leaps.

He does have quite a few vivid dreams, but dismisses them.

If you rent him for editing, he is brutal with the red pencil.
Stick with me, I am gentle :(

[rumpel]

38. sank like a stone was not from editing

we had a MIA
our booga wooga (or whatever it was) man

:)

[stellanoir]

40. LOL

Though, if memory serves, OPERATIONMINDCRIME didn't chime in on the election day thread until it had wayyy over 50 hits. Trotsky was the one who was a nay sayer early on. But no matter.

Fundamentally most wer busy with travel, cooking, and family which totally understandable and I should have gotten it together to post the day before when spirit was urging me to do so.

I think I'll probably clean the prayer up a bit more and post it again just before the solstice when lots will be having orgasms for peace. Might be a good combo. We'll see.

[Why Syzygy]

28. I was tempted

to share with the other guests at lunch yesterday the "Thanks-taking" view. But we are all so grateful and thankful for where we are today and with the ability to share ourselves and what we have, that it just didn't seem appropriate. The hostess has a Native American history, as do I (to a smaller degree), and she has shared with me in the past how her ancestory was totally wiped out. It saddens her. But she has much to be thankful for and is the most dynamic person I know today. She is the crafter of several ministries for less fortunate ones.

ps .. While I view some of the rants here as non-productive, as well, I don't believe anyone can put an end to "great minds who continually express vitriol for this "misadministration"" completely. And who's to say? Perhaps those are productive on some level for someone. I know that I need to do a little bashing now and again, and there are not many safe places to do so. Raising the discourse is a favorable objective. I will try to be more conscious as I read the big forums to inject a more positive ideal.

[stellanoir]

30. the title of this thread cracked me up yesterday. . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2790936

I certainly understand people's need to vent considering how tragically we as a culture have regressed but hold on, I'll fetch another link to explain.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3569357

I'm glad you had a nice experience with a happy native yesterday though. She sounds like a wonderfully inspired person and hardly needed to be reminded of "thanks-taking."

[Why Syzygy]

41. Finally had a chance

to read the second link. Great thread! Bears repeating. You never give up. I can tell that :D

[stellanoir]

42. Uhhhhhh

it's sort of "in my contract" ya know???

No rest for the wicked I swear. :evilgrin:

Every time I hear "you've done enough" another wave comes.

Tres bizarro or just "the roller coaster ride of terrestrial transport?"

Dunno.

Glad you enjoyed that old thread. I had a lot of fun with it and feel it still rings true.

I just wanta see people direct their energy in a way that's not just spewing crap online.

"oooga boooga woooga smoooga" to you friend. :)

[cassiepriam]

32. My .02 on anger:

I think we have to be angry.
How can we not be?

Murder, rape, torture of Iraqi innocent men, women and children.
Their homeland a barren wasteland.
The killing and maiming of our own troops.
$4 trillion cost of the invasion, to be paid for by us, our children and grandchildren.
All a complete waste.
And America is much more hated and vulnerable.
Katrina vitims floating dead in the water.
The Constitution in shreds.
The rich vastly wealthy, the middle class shrinking.
Health care and college no longer affordable for many.
The US in a civil war of red against blue, Americans hating
each other, all done by Rove for political gain.

And most like BushCo will go scott free.

As Edgar Cayce said, be in anger but not in sin.
OK to be angry but do no evil with it.
But I agree that at some point we need to turn our
anger into something constructive.

[stellanoir]

33. well I have to agree with the old bumper sticker that says. . .

"if you are not angry you are not paying attention."

Ideally I think that like guilt, anger is supposed to be a motivator for redemptive action.

My only two points with all of that were that people like * may just thrive on hatred and directing all that vitriol at him directly might just actually be keeping him in power longer.

Sure I loathe his idiocy and all his deceptive destructiveness and how this country has regressed under his "misleadership" but from a spiritual perspective, I see him as unenlightened and really kinda pathetic.

Yup I understand how everyone needs to vent from time to time but I've been wondering for a long time whether directing that much negative energy at him may be counterproductive to our desired purpose.

[Why Syzygy]

36. Likewise,

viewing the spiritual aspect, there is some part of the American psyche, and indeed the world, that projects just the kind of evil we see in Bushco. It's like being around someone who is perpetually angry, and if you/I are there, we become the target. This is not to say he is an innocent. Far from it. But sometimes I do wonder if they are the ones we love to hate. In that case, ceasing the hate is the first step to rid ourselves of the ones who we love to hate or who love to be hated.

[stellanoir]

37. Love this line. . .

"In that case, ceasing the hate is the first step to rid ourselves of the ones who we love to hate or who love to be hated."

Bingo.

Yup it's intractable shadow projection and dualism and is totally non productive. e-gads

[rumpel]

39. as Calleman says:

the old ways are no longer working..

"wars can no longer be won" I take it as in macrocosm and microcosm.

[cassiepriam]

43. I agree that BushCo is a reflection of the human psyche

...that dark part of ourselves.
Marked with greed, hubris, avarice.
The side which wants to stay a child forever,
act out with no consequences. Let others clean up our messes.
Satisfy all appetites with no thought of tomorrow.
Take everything but never give anything back.
The part that wants it all, no matter how we get it.

We know that side of ourselves, if not in this life, in other ones.

That is the karma part for all of us. To experience our own dark
sides, in shocking, appalling reality.

[cassiepriam]

44. Spirituality and anger, the debate continues :)

Perhaps it is a question of balance.

We cannot turn a blind eye to evil.
We cannot pretend we do not care.
Our feelings are what separates us
from the sociopaths in power, they have none.

At the same time, anger is a cancer that can destroy a person.

And as you say, dark entities may derive some
pleasure from our anger. We can see that on DU,
some deliberately stir up the pot, our anger warms
their darkness. Or our hatred may keep them afloat,
perhaps anger is the food of evil.

But I am assuming that when God's judgment day comes
for BushCo and his ilk, they will have to experience
all the pain, hurt, suffering,and anger they have caused.
At that time they will have to choke on the pain they
have caused. An important karmic lesson for them.

I try to balance out the anger with the spiritual knowledge
that all is as it should be. Lessons learned, souls evolving
all in the way it was meant to be. We have no way of
knowing the karmic agreements that we have all made.

It is possible that BushCo are in our soul group, and they
have come back to teach us many lessons. What better way to learn
to the very core of your being issues of morality, truth, integrity.
Abuse of power, fear, greed. Feeling powerless and hopeless.

More than any other time in my life it has caused me to define who
I am as a person, what it means to be spiritual, and understanding my place in the universe and in all eternity.

I cannot talk for others, I can only say what my struggle has been.

[Why Syzygy]

45. It has taught

me what it is like to be an absolute loner in a sea of lemmings. Five years ago, no one dared utter a foul word about the dark ones. 911 saw to that. Four years ago, leading up to (what was for me) an obviously fabricated excuse for war, no one dared whisper a misgiving. I tried. I had to cut some people out of my life because I could not bear to watch them be so IGNORANT! Even the guy I was dating. Had to go. WMDs? Um . the facts don't bear that out. Scott Ritter was there, and he said 'no'. I wasn't at DU then. Completely alone. I grabbed a hold of the life raft, DU, for fear of never seeing light of day in anyone. Quite a pleasant surprise. I haven't been happy with everything I read here. Who is?

I can identify with feeling powerless and hopeless. The reign of terror may have sharpened my spirituality, but not nearly as much as this forum has. But then, the only reason DU exists, as I understand it, was the stolen election of 2000. So, in a round-a-bout way, give whazzits face a hand. :applause:

[cassiepriam]

46. Yes. Very important part of the journey.

It has been a journey of trusting the inner voice.
Of having an internal moral compass not dependant upon others.

My alarm bells went off big time right after Clinton's election
when the repugs hounded him to hell and back over nonsense.
The Ken Starr witch hunt was horrifying. And Clinton managed to govern
and do his job every day to the best of his ability despite it all.

And then the 2000 "election" sham. It was more than horrifying.
And yes I lost friends as well. One couple we had been friends with
for years never spoke to me again when I strongly questioned the election
and Bush's lack of credentials.

And I know I have told this story before, but it is for me a watershed event. The beginning of a journey that continues to this day and I hope never ends.

The 2000 "election" is when I began to have vivid intuitive dreams
and pictures in my head. I kept seeing JFK and the Cuban Missile Crises making excellent decisions, and I knew that Bush would face something like that and never be able to make any good decisions. And that many people would die and be harmed as a direct result of his incompetence. And that * would be like Hitler, he would be responsible for the deaths of many. At that time it was all pretty far fetched, I admit, I told my husband and brother and they just laughed at me. They don't laugh at me anymore.

The images were so disturbing I had to begin my spiritual journey. And then I found DU.

So yes, I guess we do owe * a great deal. There is nothing like the presence of evil to solidify your own morality and spirituality.

And yes, DU saved my sanity. And this forum saved my soul. :)