Please tell me I'm wrong...

[bliss_eternal]

...but this post has given me a horrible feeling. I'm very upset right now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3124766

I really hate to say this, but I fear for this man and reading this post gave me a terrible feeling. :cry::cry: I wish he wouldn't run. I really do. Tell me I'm wrong, or send this man light or both--because I have a horrible feeling. I've never posted such a thing here. If that gives you any idea of how upset I am right now.

I won't go into any detail, because I try not to give negative things and feelings power and I already gave too much power to it, on the phone with dh. I'm trying to negate them by bringing them here, someplace with positive people.

:scared::cry:...help.

[saracat]

1. Ohh, Bliss. It will be all right. Send him light and protection.

I think you are just reacting to the fear we all have of the good being taken from us. We live in a different time and everything is changing rapidly.All will be well.

[bliss_eternal]

2. I hope so...

...and thank you for not making fun of me. I feel really silly. But I was honest in my reaction. I've never reacted that way to a post before.

Thank you, saracat. :hug:

[saracat]

3. I had similar feelings about John Kerry and I also wondered about several others.

I still wonder. Our national history being what it is, how could anyone not occasionally have similar thoughts cross their mind when rreading about such a candidate and such an event and consider where the event was.

[SeattleGirl]

4. bliss, I don't think you're being silly, but I have a question for you:

Are you part of the Baby Boomer generation? I ask because I am, so I live with the memory of MLK's assissination, of seeing signs saying "whites only" and "coloreds only" on restroom doors, of the "N" word being thrown about casually, of hoses and dogs being turned on blacks by whites.

The only fear is that I have, because of those memories, is that someone will go after Barack because of his color, especially because he is of mixed race. There are still hangovers from that for many of us, though I will say, the younger generations are much more accepting and have more of a "yeah, so what" attitude about minorities. It's very refreshing, and gives me a lot of hope. So does the reaction to Barack by many white people of all ages.

I don't know if he'll be elected, but right now, I think he has a good chance.

BTW, I don't know if my worry about him is similar to mine, but just thought I'l put in my thoughts.

[bliss_eternal]

5. Hi Seattle Girl...

...I'm not a boomer, but was very much brought up by boomers.

Mine was the generation that was taught about those horrors because it was still so fresh for them. What we weren't told about at home, we were told and shown in school. I was a child when Roots aired on television for the first time. I have little memory of that, I have older friends that have shared with me the impact of it airing on tv had.

I recall the days before MLK's birthday was a national holiday, and I remember the many fights over it. As a child we were given the option to take the day off if we wanted to.

I think it would be hard to grow up when I did, with the people that carried those memories and NOT know the impact of the assasinations of MLK, JFK or Bobby Kennedy. School was so different then. The things people see now on public television, we were shown regularly at school. We had field trips to the Holocaust Museum and we were fortunate enough to see King Tut's exhibit. We also were taken to see the Magic Flute and other cultural events.

Having grown up then, yes--you're correct in that my fears are probably based in those events. As well as the horrors I've seen with this administration.

When * took office, I started to see more and more visible displays of hate...everywhere. You know it's because a guy like this spits in the face of equality. People like him WANT people to be divided. I wept the day he said he would work to amend the constitution so gays couldn't marry. I couldn't believe that people were just sitting still for that and not calling it what it was--legalizing bigotry.

We've had more hate-crimes since *'s been in office. That speaks volumes. I've read threads on DU speaking of seeing confederate flags and nazi imagery at peace demonstrations. They feel comfortable letting their hate flags fly with this guy at the helm.

We have human citizens of our country being denied rights on the basis of bigotry--like we did when JFK, MLK and Bobby were killed. (sigh) I'm very concerned.

[SeattleGirl]

6. Yes, Bush has definitely made open hate and bigotry "fasionable"

again, and it breaks my heart. Biden makes a remark that Obama is "clean and articulate", which was awkward, and people jump all over him, especially people on the right. But those same people think nothing about calling him "Halfrican American", promoting hate crimes, etc.

I really do believe there is an undercurrent at work, bliss, which many of us here are aware of (the higher energy that many have posted about), but obviously, not everyone has been brought to that higher level. And some people never will be, by their own choice.

This may sound simplistic, but I truly believe that love conquers hate, and all that hate can bring on. I know it doesn't happen overnight (well, sometimes it does, but in general I mean), and that sometimes dealing with it can be disheartening, but I do believe it is sinking into people's consciousmness that mean-spiritedness and hatred are very damaging to everyone, even if one does not indulge in it oneself.

Hang on to hope, bliss. :hug:

[bliss_eternal]

7. Thanks, seattle girl...

...your words are a comfort. :hug:

It's one of the reasons I was hesitant to post my feelings, but thought it was better to get them out--than to keep them in until they turn into something more negative.

I agree, there are bigger forces at work. I shouldn't concern myself with the potential backlash from lower forms of energy.

[rumpel]

8. bliss

it seems he has some very powerful planetary friends

http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/alex.shtml

But the Super Galactic Center isn’t done there. Obama’s natal Mercury at 1 Leo is in exact sextile, and his natal Jupiter at 0 Aquarius lies in a tight trine. This is the source of his highly persuasive communication style, and potentially, a great deal of luck and political savvy. Having these three points, so vital for a successful politician, yoked to the anomaly with the greatest pull in the cosmos is an inestimable asset.

Mercury is also conjoined the Black Hole at 2 Leo, and forms a T-square with a pair of opposed Quasars at 4 Taurus and Scorpio. Black Hole Mercury natives can be powerful, persuasive speakers, though they can have difficulty in getting their message heard. Obama has certainly overcome this obstacle, probably due to the linkage with the two Quasars, so useful in success and accomplishment. What results is a very sensitive and forceful communicator, one with fresh ideas from a unique perspective. The connection with alternate realities and parallel dimensions afforded by Mercury’s contact with a Black Hole allows the native to see, not just the way things are, but the ways they might become. A dreamer by nature, Black Hole Mercury’s conceptualizations can be birthed into this reality by the manifestation capacity of the Quasars.

much more at link

[SeattleGirl]

9. rumpel, your post is very interesting, particluarly this part:

"The connection with alternate realities and parallel dimentions afforded by Mercury's contact with a Black Hole allows the native to see, not just the way things are, but the way they might become."

Reminds me of what Teddy Kennedy said about RFK at his funeral, about seeing things not just as they are, but as what they could be. (And bliss, if you read this, I am not drawing a negative parallel here, given RFK's fate, but rather a positive one, in that I think RFK was a true dreamer who had the ability to put those dreams to work, to bring them to fruition. I think Obama may have that same ability.)

[GardeningGal]

13. When I read the article, I also thought of RFK.

Not of the ending, but rather the hope and the optimism that he inspired.

[rumpel]

17. I wonder, what did astrologers at the time

generally see in RFK, JFK and MLK's charts?

It would be interesting to compare

[SeattleGirl]

18. I was wondering the same thing.

I'm not an astrologer, though.

[rumpel]

16. I thought so, too

that he may already have it all down - he can manifest
if he has that much planetary support, he can overcome almost anything...

[BlueIris]

10. You're not the only one who has had very negative feelings when

thinking about Obama. The first time I started thinking about his chances last month, I got a REALLY bad vibe. Not going to go into it much more deeply, except to say that the next morning, I started enlisting every sensitive I know to emote positive energy toward Obama. It's a little better now, I think. Or rather, he seems much more protected to me now than he did a few weeks ago. Now, when I visualize him, the picture I get is one of him absolutely covered in a huge field of spiky white light. Well, it's actually pale blue. Which I could totally see being the color of his aura.

But, yeah, I feel you. He will be in danger. Everyone who runs will be. Even, contrary to popular belief, Lady Hillary. I've been praying for a lot of Democrats, basically.

[Why Syzygy]

11. I seem to remember

the security for HRC being beefed up. And wasn't Pelosi's?

aside: Do you notice that some of the very people who said we should *honor* bozzo the squatter, due to his 'elected' position, are now the free-est to throw insults to the Lady Speaker of the House? I know there is no end to hypocrisy, but it still amazes me to see it in action.

[Chovexani]

12. As the Bene Gesserits say

Fear is the mindkiller. :)

We need to send him light and protection. But, (and maybe this the naivete of youth speaking), I really believe this is a different time. Yes, bigotry has become fashionable again thanks to BushCo., but I think the days of Bobby Kennedy, MLK, etc are gone.

Is it dangerous? Yes indeed. But we can't let the fear overcome our hopes for the future. We just need to send him all the love and light we can. :)

:hug:

[bliss_eternal]

21. Chovexani...!

:hi: Good to see you...and thank you!:hug:

[cassiepriam]

14. BE I am having bad vibes as well and have been posting some of them.

It is going to get very ugly if Obama is elected.

The only chance the Repugs have right now is to win in '08 is to trick the Dems into nominating a very controversial ticket.

Right now Rove and pals are jacking up the polls in Obama's and Hillary's favor. This will lure the Dems into thinking that Ob and Hill have a good shot. Which they do not in reality. The country is not ready for them at this point, they will in the future, but not now.

Also the Dems need the most senior statesmen possible in this time of crisis. Not two newbies. But that is another story.

At any rate, once the Dems nominate Hillary or Obama, Rove and pals will launch the mother of all slime campaigns, especially in the south. You can only imagine. And it will give rise to hatred that surpasses the hate Rove was able to generate against Bill Clinton.

With that kind of hate anything is possible.

Have I ever mentioned that I think Rove is one of the most despicable humans (if you can call him that) to inhabit this planet??

[lildreamer316]

15. I so much agree with you, cassie..

...and now I've just had this deja-vu moment about this conversation.
Wow.

ok. I want to state right now that I don't have anything against either of those candidates in general,and I think there will be a place for them at the table, just not at the helm. I think their time to lead in that position will come later if at all; but I feel they will be in very important postitions.

..and I'm going to leave it at that.

EXCEPT to say that cassie; I think we should discuss that 'other story' in another thread soon. I feel very strongly about it! ;)

[bliss_eternal]

20. Wow...

...I'm just kind of relieved I'm not alone in my feelings. I sincerely hope there's someone else out there that we can run successfully.

I've said since day one, I like Obama--I just don't believe he's ready. This was his first term in senate--he's a neophyte, he needs time to learn and grow. Hilary :shrug: I'll keep a can on that, one.

[cassiepriam]

22. The first time I saw Obama, on TV Dem Convention, I had tingles up and down my spine.

I told my husband that this man will be president of the US one day!

I think Obama will go far. But now is not the time.

What are you picking up on the 'other story."??

I think that we need the most senior statesmen we can get right now.
And no one controversial.

[bliss_eternal]

24. I'm always surprised

by how many people are in the Obama corner, given how new he is to the political scene. Dh's uncle adores him, says he'd vote for him in a heartbeat. His sister (dh's aunt) says the same. They :loveya: Obama. He definitely has a presence and is destined for great things...

Just saw on the news here last night, he attended a fund-raising party in Beverly Hills. Possibly at David Geffen's. I was kind of distracted from the story by my other "issues". :(

(sigh)

[cassiepriam]

25. Obama has the same charisma that JFK had..... he lights up a room.

Articulate, highly intelligent, charismatic, handsome.
Reminds me a great deal of JFK.

But yes I am also distracted by the issues that seem to be upsetting us.

[bliss_eternal]

19. Hi cassie...

I'm really glad to see you weigh in on this. :hi:

I was so thrown by my feelings last night. I've never had such a visceral reaction to words on a page. I'll pm the details to you as something tells me not to write them out here.

Everything you've said are part of my concerns, especially that the party isn't focused enough on finding candidates we could really run (and win with).

I don't recall your saying this about Rove, but I agree with you. :hug:

[cassiepriam]

23. I think I posted it on the daily psychic thread??

Rove is happy right now.

He knows he is creating his window for Jeb.

The Dems seem to be so easily manipulated.
And getting into a feel good mode instead of a smart mode.
They are buoyed by the recent win.
They should know that it is still very treacherous out there with the Repugs.

[Cha]

26. "Fortune Favors the

Bold"! :hug: