Tarot Card readers.

[Cleita]

Yikes, I don't know what to make of this. Last week I asked the question, "Who will be inaugurated on January 20, 2005." The cards came together until the last one and it was the Queen of Swords, which didn't match all the other rosy cards from cups and pentacles.

Today, I asked the same question and the last card was The Devil. What do you make of this? This reading had the Empereror in the past. The Lovers covering and Temperance crossing The Lovers. The page of hearts above and the Two of Swords pointing to the future. The other cards indicated an attempt for balance until the last one The Devil.

I'm finding this very cryptic. Does it mean the Bushler? Or does it mean that all our beliefs about how this will end, will be overturned with a surprise ending?

[Nancy Waterman]

1. Two ways I see to read it

Bush, the Emperor, is becoming the Devil, completely devoted to materialism and selfish short term gain. Thsi could also be a description of the future/present path of the country.

It could also mean that you, the reader, are too focused on the more superficial, materialistic reality of Bush rather than connecting to the inner spiritual meaning and trust that says the Universe might actually know what it is doing (even though it may not seem so right now).

[Cleita]

2. Thanks Nancy.

I hope your last meaning is the right one.

[belle]

26. Well, as far as meaning #1, I just think: "becoming?!!"

He's already there...

[saracat]

3. The Queen of Swords indicates

suffering or privation. This could signal depression or war. It appears to be more a consequence than a person. The crossing card of The Lovers in the second reading is interesting as that usually represents those forces operating either for or against the matter. In this instance I would suspect it represents the recount as it is the struggle between the sacred and the profane!The Emperor in the past is definitely the Presidency.As for the Two of Swords, Justice is blind. It also indicates stalemate. I would say status quo. The Devil on the other hand represents the wrong use of force, which could also indicate a war. Coupled with the cards indicating the recount, this could indicate a struggle or war within our country. Much of the reading could be interpreted as an ideological struggle, which is certainly taking place.The Card of the Devil is also one that points to bondage being able to be removed at will. We have a choice and we can choose to experience this misery or not. It would appear that with the help of the recount , which falling in its current position as a crossing issue, can only be positive, we are given great strength to throw off the bondage of Bush! But it is a choice we must make.

[Cleita]

8. Yes, your interpretation of the Queen of Swords makes sense.

Thanks.

[Lilli]

4. What intention does the last position hold for you in your readings?

Is it a summation of the event, outcome, character of the one elected, etc? Do you read straight up or allow reversed cards?
You've had some great interpretations, but without knowing your intent for the card in that position, or which formation you were using, its hard for me to add anything.

[Cleita]

6. I was using Celtic Cross. I do use

reverse cards, but in the last reading only card number seven the ace of cups was upside down. I didn't find it very significant as the subject of the reading was our country. My original intent was that a court card or other representing Kerry or Bush would be the final card, so this is why I found the cards that did turn up puzzling although, Bush I guess could be considered represented by the Devil. This is why I put this up. I was hoping there was a better explanation.

[saracat]

16. I use reverse cards as well. I have never been comfortable without

employing them ,though I know some others who do! I guess I still do what I originally learned almost twenty five years ago! Can't teach an old reader new tricks! LOL!

[Mandate My Ass]

5. Question about Tarot....

Recently I attended a Halloween party where there were tarot readings if you wanted one. I have to admit I was slightly skeptical but I thought I'd go ahead anyway because it would be fun. The reading was so amazingly accurate it blew me away. The tarot reader detailed the last turbulent year of my life so perfectly that when the time came to ask questions I was tongue tied. She described the people in my life perfectly and gave details about them that could not have been "so general they applied to anyone" and even described two people physically and her descriptions were right on the money.

I guess I'm curious mostly about from what source does the prognostication draw or flow? What is the reader tapping into?

Whatever it is, she made a believer out of me.

[Cleita]

7. I learned to read a regular deck of 52 cards from a friend who

had learned it from a Spanish woman she knew in Chile. I used to do it for fun, saying what came into my mind that the meaning of the cards triggered. I didn't take it seriously at first until a lot of my readings turned out to be very accurate. I really got spooked so I put the cards away for many years.

I took it up again about a decade later using the Tarot instead this time. I still won't do reading for individuals. I don't really want to know their future or mine for that matter, however, in times of crisis I will use the Tarot to ask questions in general about our country, our world etc.

I don't really understand how it works either.

[stellanoir]

9. "I don't really understand how it works either."

My favorite defintion for the Tarot is. . .

flashcards from the realm of the unconcious.

How's that for scientific. . .?

[Mandate My Ass]

10. Thanks guys

I appreciate your answering me especially after I rudely hijacked your thread. *blush*

Well that's pretty much what I thought. You can't put your finger on it, it's more art than science.

Now if one or two of the things she said about my future come true...:bounce:

[saracat]

17. I think it is most accurate Stellanoir!

[hippiegranny]

11. yesterday I chose three cards

with the elction debacle in mind

past - the two of cups
present - the lovers
future - the king of wands

I would love to hear what other make of this. The king sure sounds like Kerry to me.

[Cleita]

12. It sure does.

Let's hope.

[saracat]

Dupe

[saracat]

15. Tarot reply

Past=Balance Present=struggle Future=Bush or lawsuit . . Kerry would never be the King of wands either temperamentally or physically. While picture cards are sometimes interpreted for their values rather than their physicality neither is appropriate in this case. Wands are much fairer than Kerry. They are generally light brown haired or blond with blue or hazel eyes. They are also sort of gentleman farmers as in a ranch! Kerry is much more an urban sophisticate by nature. Tersa does have the farm, but Kerry is more a city boy as in his Boston Townhouse! Bush was fair as a child. On the other hand the other interpretation is a lawsuit. Maybe this is the election fraud? It also has to do with military intelligence and power. Could this be impeachment for mishandling the war or 9-11? Lets keep ourselves posted ! Interesting that this is the second reading the Lovers came up in and they basically play the same role in each! A quick note on Tarot. Sometimes the answer is to the question that needs to be asked rather than the one asked! And results are always relevant only so long as things remain constant! Everything is subject to change!

[Matariki]

25. actually, isn't Kerry a Sagittarius?

A fire suit? I often find that astrological correspondences show up in the court cards - at least for me. When I read for strangers I usually use this method and it seems to be the most accurate. Although I have been getting King of Cups for Kerry.

[belle]

23. Mm, it'd be nice to think so, but...

I really doubt it.

As for that spread--well, past, present and future of what? America? The Democratic Party? The White House? Meaning depends on context.

[hippiegranny]

24. the "issue"

I was focusing on "the election." My head was swirling with all the conflicting info of all the obvious fraud reports in contrast with the silence of the media. Right before the election I drew a card for John Kerry. It was the Page of Cups. So this reading was kind of a continuation of that... the thoughts were John Kerry, the election mess, the fraud stuff, the reality that no one is listening.

[yellowdawgdem]

13. QSwords

Oftentimes indicates legal overtones. Or it can show high intellectual powers. Or even, the tendency to intellectualize rather than experience.
The Devil isn't at all clear in meaning, especially since it would have both a positive and negative influence. It seems we are being asked to put up with more than is humanly possible (regarding the election and the trend of directions that implies). Maybe that could represent the devil?

[Behind the Aegis]

14. interesting

I thought about creating a thread asking tarot, rune, bones readers to all pick a day and do a reading for the near future of the country and see what came of it. I still think it would be interesting. One thing I feel about readings is that they are a possible blueprint for what is to come based on the querent, but I also think the reader brings something to the table.

What about a tarot, bones, tea leaves day? Then compare what we come up with?

[Cleita]

18. I guess I never caught your original thread on this.

Yes, I would be interested in knowing what others are coming up with and if they are similar in the cards displayed. Then we could be on to something. A few months ago I spoke to another DU tarot reader about the frequency of The Tower and Death coming up in readings from random readers. I of course interpret the Tower now, if it is in the past, as 9-11.

On edit: Maybe a question should be posted that we all ask on that day. Each week a different member could pose a question.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. I like that idea

I never posted the question, had only thought about doing it. But perhaps we could start a new thread and post a question, and let others do their "thang." Since you came up with the idea of a "universal" question, why don't you start a new thread and ask all readers to join in. We can then post results and discuss them! I would encourage multiple forms of divination.

What do you think?

[Cleita]

20. Okay.

I'll think about it and post tonight.PST. I will try to do it before 10 EST, for those DUers on the East Coast. It will give people the weekend to post their readings.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Awesome!

I will look for the post! If you need anything, ideas, PM me!

[belle]

22. I'd need to see the entire spread. Also...

I generally cast a more jaundiced eye on questions that require cut-and-dried answers like that, especially for full spreads like Celtic Cross; the form doesn't really favor them, it seems to me. Personally, I tend to prefer more open-ended questions.

So I might have phrased a question more as, "What's in store for the Democratic Party over the next few months?"

or,

"What's in store for Bush over the next few months?"

or,

"Where should Democrats be putting our focus and energy now? What are we not seeing at the moment?"

[Cleita]

27. I don't remember all the cards. I should have written them down.

Sorry