Astrology fans: Charles & Camilla to Marry 4-8-05: MERCURY RX

[loudsue]

:shrug: Bummer! Any marriage on a mercury rx. is going to reverse itself... or at least WANT to reverse itself. After all this time they've wanted to be together, what a WRONG thing to do!

:wtf: Doesn't the royal family have an astrologer friend??

And a Sun/Venus conj. sq to Saturn? Yuck! I don't have the "time" for the upcoming ceremony, so if any DUers can get it, we can see what might result. There are a lot of nice trines and sextiles in the chart, but a Mercury Rx is a deal breaker.

:cry: That's really sad! :cry:

[Pallas180]

1. Actually Loudsue, I'm about to write a column on that - but

if this is a past life relationship between them - such as repeating a marriage, then maybe the merc retro won't be so negative....

And sun/venus square saturn - not to worry - so they won't be social - they'll be in their own little bubble - which he is anyway - he doesn't seem like the warmest person in the world - nor does she..

[pippin]

2. if this is a past life relationship between them

One of the spooky things about the Charles-Camilla romance is that his great great grand father King Edward had a long relationship with HER great great grand mother, the famous society beauty Alice Keppel. In those days ofcourse neither could get a divorce much less marry. The Charles-Camilla realtionship has been going on for over forty years and there is an element of karmic inevitability about this relationship.

[Pallas180]

4. Thanks Pippin - to me there seems to be something else going

on also....I need to look up a little history dates - but isn;'t this
funny - The Church of England was founded because King Henry???was it? wanted a divorce and it was not allowed....and now we have Charles and Camilla, one divorced, so they are not allowed to marry in the Church, and not even in Windsor palace....

there's some kind of astrological cycle there...and it would be interesting to look it up.

[pippin]

6. The Church of England was founded because King Henry

Henry VIII's divorce of his first wife, Katherine of Aragon, precipitated the schism with the Catholic Church and the creation of the Anglican, i.e., the Church of England. The Catholic church would not allow Henry to marry the woman he had fallen in love with--Anne Boleyn--she was mother to the princess who would one day become Elizabeth 1.

Henry went on to gid rid of Anne--she was beheaded--in order to marry Jane Seymour. All in all Henry had six wives--one after the other--something he could do having been appointed head of the English Church.

Unlike Diana, who was basically a stupid woman, Queen Alexandra the wife of Charles' great great grandfather knew that marriage to a monarch was simply for breeding purposes. She tolerated Edward's numerous liasons (she was queen after all and the parade of actresses, and other women could in no way unseat her) including his relationship with Camilla's great great grandmother, Alice Keppel. Keppel was to be Edward's last love-he was in his 60's when he met her--she was 29, Queen Alexandra even permitted A;oce's presence at Edward's deathbed when he breathed his last. Apparently,
"Queen Alexandra shook hands with her husband's bedmate and said, "I am sure you have always had a good influence on him."


Years later, Keppel proudly displayed in her home a large photograph of Alexandra, inscribed to her by the queen."
http://www.chron.com/cgi-bin/auth/story/content/chronicle/features/books/97/07/27/keppel.html

Hoper this offers you some historical perspective Pallas? :-)

[Cookie wookie]

3. Yeah. They'd be wise to change the wedding date or they may

live to regret it. Certainly inauspicious. Have seen that if one can get over the early years living with an important event that was begun when Mercury was retrograde, good lessons can be learned, but no walk in the park in the meantime.

[Shopaholic]

5. Good enough for them both.

carry on I say- sounds like a perfect time for them to marry.

[loudsue]

7. Interesting points brought up so far....

I've been gone since I started this thread yesterday, and just got back to check in.

I'm still a newcomer to mundane astrology, but personal and karmic astrology, particularly relationship (both composite and chart comparisons...synastry) astrology I've done a lot of.

I've never seen a Mercury Rx marriage relationship that worked well at all, even if the people DID stay together....which most of them didn't.

A karmic relationship is usually a difficult one, on a personal level, unless the participants are fairly highly evolved individuals. Royal blood certainly does not bestow higher evolution on a person. I haven't seen much from either Charles or Camilla that make me think they're anywhere close to any sort of individuation or enlightenment in their personal lives. So, whatever karma that might be driving them together for this marriage, will likely kick at least one of 'em in the butt.

I haven't seen either one of their individual charts, so I'm only going on their choice of a marriage chart on what I'm seeing here. But, if either one of them has Progressed Mercury Rx in their personal charts, it would further indicate a reversal.

As for the Moon/Sun/Venus square Saturn, I believe that they're going to find themselves restricted in their ability to express their "marriage".... Saturn partly represents the authority/duty of the royalty that surrounds the person of Charles, and it will constantly be restricting their personal expression, and will hound their "relationship" (Venus). With the Moon involved in the square as well, it's going to kind of put a damper on the emotion they thought they shared, and their relationship will appear "cold" to people looking on.

The marriage chart also has a Mars/Neptune conjunction, which, in my experience, takes a lot of energy out of the marriage (and often signifies sexual dysfunction -- like someone can't get it up!). It sometimes makes people feel like their relationship isn't going anywhere, or if it is, the participants aren't quite sure WHERE or why.

Depending on what time of day they get married, it will also be interesting to see how the Solar Eclipse of April 8 effects things, as well. My guess would be they'd have the ceremony around noonish, while the Moon is applying to the Sun.

Once we know the exact time of the ceremony, we'll know which houses of the chart are going to be prominent. I'm curious to see where Charles' sons are going to play a significant part, if any.

If anyone finds out the proposed time of the ceremony, or if anyone has birth data on Charles and Camilla, that will be interesting to plug into all of this.

:kick::kick::kick:

[pippin]

8. Camilla's chart and Charles' chart

"Some bio facts about Prince Charles: He was born November 14, 1948, at 9:14 PM, in London, England.  


Some bio facts about Camilla Parker Bowles: She was born July 17, 1947, at 7:00 AM, in London, England. 


Some Astrological Notes about Prince Charles & Camilla: Her Sun is in Cancer, and she also has Moon in Cancer, Mercury in Cancer, and Venus in Cancer. The only personal planet in a sign other than Cancer is Mars. Her Mars is in Gemini and Camilla has a Leo Ascendant with Saturn rising.


Charles has a Scorpio Sun, Taurus Moon, with Mercury in Scorpio, Venus in Libra, and Mars in Sagittarius. He has a Leo Ascendant as does Camilla.



They met at a polo match when they were in their early twenties. Charles' marriage to Diana in 1981, and Camilla's marriage to an Army captain in 1973, did not put ah halt to their romantic friendship, although the relationship is said to have had its "cooling off" moments. It is said that Camilla joked to Charles, "My great-great-grandmother was your great-great-grandfather's mistress, so how about it?" (reference is to Alice Keppell and Edward VII). Their relationship was exposed when, in 1992, taped intimate telephone conversations were made public. Camilla divorced in 1995, and Charles in 1996. After Charles' divorce, he admitted to adultery."


http://www.cafeastrology.com/famouspeople/relationships/prince_charles_camilla_synastry.html 

[Pallas180]

9. Mercury isn't even retrograde yet, and things are going bad-

they can't get married in the church,they can't get married in Windsor Castle and have to have a civil ceremony, and the Queen, his mother and his brothers and sisters will not attend the ceremony.

Something tells me Charles will never be king.

[pippin]

13. More thoughts

about Charles: interesting astro-feng-shi reaqding at:

http://www.astro-fengshui.com/astrology/charles.html


I don't know if I can be as spositive as Pink Tiger about Charles not being king. His alter-ego great great grandfather Edward VII had to wait 64 years before he became king. Like Charles, Edward had an uneasy relationship with his mother the indomitable Queen Victoria. It would be fascinating to be able to compare the four charts: Edward's and Charles', Camilla's and Alice Keppel's because my hunch is that some clarity about the mercury Rx could come into play here.

There is also some question about William's ascension to the throne:

The solar eclipse under which William was born connects strongly with the Cancer Sun of his great-great-uncle Edward VIII, who gave up the British throne for the love of Wallis Simpson in 1936. His father, Prince Charles, did the opposite, putting royal duty before his love for Camilla when he married the Cancerian Diana, William’s mother, in 1981. Perhaps William’s intensely emotional nature and powerful need for relationship will, in due time, provoke a crisis for both man and nation, with the theme of Sun (kingship) eclipsed by Moon (emotional needs, female partner) arising again in the British royal family.

[Eloriel]

10. Well, I don't know anything about marriages Rx but

I will say that in my personal experience, I sometimes do things when Mercury is Retrograde that I thought hard about doing at an earlier time, wanted to do earlier, etc.

Remember too, any Rx period is also a time to RE-do. It's not as if this is a NEW relationship, or even new "consumation" so to speak.

So personally I don't know that it's all that negative -- it'll be interesting to see.

[PinkTiger]

11. Charles will NEVER be king.

I know this. He will declare his intent not to serve when his mother dies, if not before.
He is not King material.
His son, William, however, will be a great king.
He will make the monarchy popular again, as did his mother, Diana.
When he becomes king, William will restore his mother's status as HRH.
His father will be banished to Scotland.

[pacifictiger]

12. Marjorie Orr

has just updated what she sees. Interesting.
http://www.star4cast.com/index2f.asp?page=home%2Easp

[loudsue]

14. Interesting analysis.....I agree with her about the difficulties she sees

This marriage is going to be rougher than either party is ready to deal with, methinks!

:kick: