Astrology and the Primary Season

[ccpup]

I had some free time today and was curious about the SP and SA action in the top three candidate's charts, so I took a look and this is what I found:

Hillary's SP Sun (currently at 03Cap08) is gearing up for a waxing Trine with her 04Virgo35 MC, and will be sitting at 04Cap12 on Inauguration Day.

In addition to that, her SA Jupiter=Sun begins in late August 2008 and sits at 2Aqu14 on Election Day, just minutes from being exact with her 02Scorpio18 Sun.

But before all of that, starting in February of 2008 — and continuing until October 2011 — Tr. Pluto will begin passing back and forth sextile her Sun and then move on to Trine her MC. Being the heaviest of planets, Pluto touching one's Sun is usually nothing to sneeze at and even the sextiles carry interesting weight.

Also, that Tr. Pluto will be conjunct her SP Mercury — a meeting started in March 2004 — a few times and then touch her SP Sun by conjunction beginning in 2010.

What’s interesting with Tr. Pluto now is that he first conjuncted her SP Jupiter in February 2000 after her Election to the Senate, made it’s second pass in December 2000 and finished up it’s journey of that SP Jupiter with a station from August through October of 2001. Then Tr. Pluto started following her SP Mercury.

In other words, that Tr. Pluto has been on her SP Mercury since 2004 and is hanging in until at least 2010 joining the transits to her N. Sun and MC I mentioned above.

Taking a look at Obama’s chart, not only does Tr. Saturn conjunct his Pluto (via retrograde) and Part of Fortune around Tsunami Tuesday, it then — in mid-March — goes on to inconjunct his SP Moon (which is conjunct his N. Jupiter for much of of this month) before turning direct and meeting his N. Pluto as well as his SP Pluto by conjunction in early August and his SP Neptune (by sextile) in mid-August.

During mid-July until mid-August, his SP Moon is square his N. Neptune and then squares his SP Neptune until early September, coinciding with the aforementioned Saturn transits to his Pluto, SP Pluto and SP Neptune.

Also, Tr. Pluto moves into opposition with his N. Venus in early-March and remains there until April.

That Tr. Pluto has been in a Square with Obama’s SP Sun since March 2005 and made it’s last pass last month, November 2007. It moves within orb in the early part of 2008 with Pluto's brief retro back into Sag, though without hitting the SP Sun’s degree, so shouldn’t be ruled out.

His SA Venus=Asc begins in September 08, but doesn’t become exact until mid-March and SA Mars=Neptune in late September 08 becoming exact in mid-May 09. In April 08, the SP Moon passes over his IC.

The SA Venus is approaching his MC, but doesn’t begin it’s passage over it until 2011.

For Edwards, I haven't had as much free time to work on his chart as I have the others, but I DID find something very, very interesting I thought I'd share.

Edwards is VERY happy (unrealistically and abundantly so?) with Tr. Venus opp his Moon and Jupiter — as well as his SP Moon conjunct the natal conjunction of these two — in the next couple days, after the Caucus today. But during the NH race, Tr. Moon moves over his Chiron that day followed by Tr. Sun a day or two later.

What’s fascinating — to me, at least — is that both Obama and Edwards have SP Moon conjunct N. Jupiter (Obama until January 19th and Edwards beginning Feb 8th until March 2nd). As Edwards' SP Moon leaves the "good times" feel of Jupiter in March -- before meeting by square his SP Uranus at the end of March --, Obama’s just left the experience of his SP Moon inconjunct N. Venus and Opp to his N. Mercury. That SP Moon then gets hit by inconjunct from Tr. Saturn in March and then again for the full first half of August as it also conjuncts his SP Pluto.

(What's Hillary’s SP Moon up to? It first squares her SA Mars in early March, makes a Trine to her N. Neptune in June and then a Trine to her SP Neptune in July before moving to opp her SP Jupiter in late August — sextile her N.Pluto/Mars soon thereafter. At the same time this SP Jupiter is moving to trine her N. Pluto/Mars conjunction)

There's a lot more I didn't cover -- Obama looks popular and chatty during Convention Time --, but I thought I'd offer what I could for those interested.

[Dover]

1. Excellent summary ccpup! You've been hiding your astrology skills from us!

Thank you for your insights. Seems right on the money, though many astrologers seem frustrated due to a lack of accurate birth times/chart info for a few of the candidates.

[ccpup]

2. well, not much insight

just a lot of This Planet is doing this to the Other Planet and so on and so forth. The Pluto sextile Clinton's SP Sun is interesting as is the Saturn conjunct Obama's N. Pluto, Part of Fortune and, right after that, SP Pluto ... especially around Super Tuesday! And the SP Moon square his Natal and Progressed Neptune during Convention time? Not sure what to make of that. If he has a huge part to play during the Convention, but he's not the Nominee, it might make sense. Only time will tell.

As for accurate birth info, I think that would matter when calculating the Angles. So, for instance -- because there's a question over Hillary's info (and maybe some question over Obama's I've heard?), Pluto may not be Trining her MC right after it sextiles her SP Sun. On the other hand, the SA Venus may not be = Obama's Asc or coming to = his MC.

Events like this -- an Election -- always present a good opportunity to rectify a candidate's chart by watching to see if what we see them experiencing (at least on a Public Level) is mirrored in their chart.

Thanks for the slap on the back, Dover. :-)

[Dover]

3. It's all helpful info ccpup. And not just for those watching the election

but also for those learning about astrology.

I wonder if it would help to rectify Hillary's chart by looking at what was going on when she was elected to the Senate? And of course the current race should reveal some more about chart accuracy.

Looking forward to more, ccpup, when you feel inspired.

[ccpup]

4. with the current birth time we have for Hillary

-- I'm using the 8 AM time --, Tr. Pluto would have conjuncted her SP Jupiter on Nov 20, 2000. We actually voted on the 7th of November that year, so I'm not sure if a rectification can be done from that info.

Now, I don't know when she relocated back to DC to begin her work as Senator (she took the Oath on the 3rd of January, so I'm sure it was around then), but the SP Moon -- with the 8 AM time -- crossed her IC EXACTLY on January 14, 2001, so that might help us better determine if the time is correct or not.

This is just a cursory glance, so there might be more I didn't see.

[ccpup]

6. check my new Reply

offered some insight and -- what I think is -- interesting info

edited to add that in late February (around the 21st, I think) this Tr. Saturn that's doing a doozy on Obama's Pluto and Part of Fortune will also be in opposition to his Natal Chiron.

Again, I believe January will be fantastic for both Obama and Edwards. But once that SP Moon moves away from their respective Jupiters and hops into bed with Neptune and Saturn and Uranus? I don't know ... it may end up being one of those "but she was so pretty and sane in the bar last night"-type of deals.

:evilgrin:

[ccpup]

5. okay, I'll move off the fence

and into the scary woods we call Offering Insight.

Obama has wonderful astrology this year and for years after that. He'll be a major player on the political scene for some time to come.

But with the Tr. Saturn hitting his N. Pluto -- and ruler of his chart -- right around Super Tuesday before moving inconjunct his SP Moon and then turning direct and hitting that N. Pluto as well as his SP Pluto and SP Neptune, I can't help but think they'll be a thudding fall to reality (hello, Saturn and Pluto) as well as an attempt, perhaps, to ignore reality in favor of the fantasy (oh, and there's Neptune).

I could be wrong, but the influence of Saturn, Pluto and Neptune (the undisputed Heavy Weights of the Zodiac), at least to me, potentially dampens the Venus stuff he has happening. He'll still be popular and may even be on the ticket as Vice President -- the source, I suspect, of that SP Moon squaring Neptune (both Natal and SP) during the Summer and around Convention time --, but I don't see the successful climb to "power" and "authority" in the chart that I do with Hillary.

To begin with, her SP Moon -- moving to a Full Moon phase in February 2010 -- is in a tight trine with her SP Pluto (SP Moon at 16Gem48, SP Pluto at 16Libra31) on Election Day.

Her SP Sun moves to 4Cap on 6 November beginning the Trine to her 4Virgo MC. And then Tr. Pluto conjuncts it in early March 2010.

Tr. Pluto first sextiles her Natal Sun the week of the Inauguration (it sits at 1Cap57 -- her Natal Sun at 2Scorpio18 -- on 20th January and becoming exact the first day of February).

In addition to that, as of February 2007, SA Jupiter has been conjunct SP Venus (SA Jupiter at 2Aqu11, SP Venus at 2Aqu14 on November 4th, 2008 -- Election Day) and will be conjunct to the degree until 2010 finally moving away by 2 degrees in 2015. In addition to that, her SA Jupiter begins it's square (or =) of her Natal Sun four days after the Democratic Convention.

I trust January -- with both Obama and Edwards' SP Moons moving over their respective N. Jupiters -- will be good for them. But that SP Moon moving away and the Saturn and Neptune taking over may, again, bring them back to earth with a thud during March and April. I don't see the Earth to a Thud aspects in Hillary's chart for that time.

Just my two cents.

[Dover]

7. Well now you've really done it!

You've crossed into the forest of no return....bwahahaha!

Interesting INSIGHTS. We'll have to watch it as things unfold. Many astrologers feel Hillary won't be standing come November, so you are putting your neck out there. But also Hillary has one of the "questionable" charts, so there's the back door if you or anyone else needs it.
On the other hand, from what I've read, many agree with you that Obama has many good years ahead.
Wish I had more to say on all this. Rick or Stella might. My energy just isn't into these candidates so I haven't even looked at their charts. Party pooper that I am.

[ccpup]

8. I know, I know

there's no turning back now.

What I can't move past is that Tr. Saturn activity: hitting Obama's Pluto in late-January and then moving -- in it's retrograde phase -- to inconjunct his SP Moon throughout March and then be within a one degree orb to square his N. Moon from April through late May. And that's even before it's conjunct his Pluto and SP Pluto and then square his SP Neptune!

Am I missing something or is that not exactly indicative of someone who's really, really happy? Saturn tends to deflate any balloon Jupiter has blown up (his SP Moon has just started it's journey over his Natal Jupiter, moving off right as Tr. Saturn moves to inconjunct it) with the harshness of Reality and the reminder that all is not won on Style and Rhetoric alone. You have to bring substance.

And Neptune is ...

Well, in my mind, Saturn meeting SP Neptune by square is that feeling of having worked very, very hard and the finish line is RIGHT THERE, but that other runner comes from nowhere and whizzes right by you!

Can't blame anyone -- you both worked hard and did all you could do --, but ... ouch, that smarts! There's no one to blame for your "loss".

Anyway, thought I'd add these new thoughts. I've been adding my voice on an astrological site, but have been ignored because they -- apparently, to my surprise -- are not all Democrats all the time, but more All Obama. So these Tr. Saturn concerns aren't being addressed or really even recognized. I'm just a voice they're choosing to ignore. Unfortunately, it doesn't help one understand how a Transit like this may manifest.

Oh well. :shrug:

[Dover]

11. Hmmm....

Well I'd have to spend some time looking at the whole chart. In fact, you might post whatever chart you refer to in the future as some people are visual and also like to get feel for the whole thing.
Isolated transits are certainly significant but need to be looked at within the context of the whole picture. Saturn/Pluto transits are definitely noteworthy.

Don't know why you're not getting much response in the 'other forum'. I'd recommend continuing to try to get a conversation going, but rather than post a long page of transits perhaps just focus on one or two per post...for instance you might ask how the Saturn/Pluto transit plays into Obama's big picture this Spring....something like that.
I've noticed in this forum (and very likely in others) that while many of the regulars are trying valiantly to post and respond, there is a decided feeling of inertia and low energy which I suspect is more of the Mars retrograde thing. Think of it as energy conservation...lol!
So my advice is to not push or expect too much right now and break things down into smaller bites.

I know it's frustrating when you are into something not to have outlets for discussion and bouncing ideas off others, but this may just be a timing issue. Patience dear Aries.

Keep good notes re: your predictions as things unfold for the candidates you've studied and learn how they respond to various planetary aspects. That will tell you a lot about them. Observation....very important.

Yawn.....bedtime.

[ccpup]

12. Patience dear Aries?

:rofl: Oh, Dover, you're KILLING me over here! :rofl: Patience? :spray:

Oh me, oh my ... that was a good one. I :rofl: so hard I almost :cry:

Good tips, though, on offering bits of info and on keeping note as transits unfold. I've even gone back to when the first pass of a planet was happening to see how it was handled to get some idea of what the next pass might bring.

But one can certainly see the effects of Obama's SP Moon moving over his N. Jupiter now, that's for sure.

Anyhoo, off to find the dictionary so I can look up this bizarre word called ... what was it? ... hold on ... oh, right: patience. My Taurus Moon kind of recognizes it, but hasn't fully woken up yet. And my Aries is still :rofl: My Leo Asc, though, wants to know why we aren't talking about HIM! :mad: Oops! I meant O8)

Thank you for responding, Dover.

[stellanoir]

13. The Cosmic Muffin used to say. . .that the Arian prayer was

"God grant me patience but I want it right away."

I've long felt that if there is such a thing as an original sin, it would be impatience rather than sexual in nature.

I've seen more people shoot themselves in the foot with impatience than sex, but I don't really hang out with a bunch of sexual deviants.

Since everyone has fire somewhere in their charts, even if it's just a house rulership, they still have a Mars placement so we all have to contend with impatience to some degree. What is astrology but on a simplistic level, a study of timing to hopefully quell impatience and maximize accomplishment really?

Now I'll ponder just how I should duly praise your royal Asc your Highness.

:hi:

Seriously though, you've done some truly great analysis here.

I wouldn't necessarily interpret the Pluto Saturn conjunction in Obama's chart as negative. If he's got a healthy relationship to responsibility, then it could be interpreted as potential empowerment. If not it'll be otherwise.

I've not looked at his chart in depth as yet though.

[ccpup]

14. the last time Saturn met Obama's Pluto

he was dealing with the SC anti-gay McClurkin dust-up and a poor debate performance in Philadelphia.

[stellanoir]

16. I'm on the fly right now but briefly. . .

The first pass of triple Saturn transits is generally the rockiest.

The second one informs one of how to adjust and the third one allows one to implement those changes.

More praise later for your illustrious Asc.

:hi:

[stellanoir]

9. I'm with you in the party pooping.

I have a deep seated aversion to the exhaustive task of writing up readings. I'm too much of an anal editor, though my posts don't always reflect that.

I much prefer to speak with the people who's chart I'm looking at.

That, coupled with my big bad attitude problem about the integrity of our last four elections along with perimenopause, and Pluto approaching my Saturn has me a bit wiped.

I put a boatload of energy into analyzing various charts for this country for the December 11th, Jupiter/Pluto conjunction. Maybe I'm still recovering from that as well.

ccpup is doing a fantastic job right now.

Kudos to him.

So I'll take a pass until I simply recharge.

[Grateful for Hope]

10. When you recharge, Stella

I would love to hear what you come up with.

:hug:

[NMDemDist2]

28. I always read Nancy's blog for the politics and she's agreeing with you a lot

http://starlightnews.com/

[mother earth]

15. Forgive my cynicism, but why is Edwards as invisible in your

interpretation as he is in MSM? Me thinks your judgement may be a bit swayed, but that is exactly why I have a hard time with my feelings and do not speculate upon whom I think will win. One cannot help BUT be swayed by our own feelings. I'd hazard a guess that you may very well be a Hillary supporter, hence the interpretation may not be objective.

My apologies if I am way off base, I'm not an astrologer, but I call it as I see it.

[ccpup]

17. you're not off-base

and I appreciate your Reply.

The discussion was started simply because I noticed potentially troublesome aspects for Obama that weren't being addressed on another website I'm a part of. Hillary, too, has troublesome aspects, but the Saturn meeting Pluto, SP Pluto, SP Moon, SP Neptune and Natal Moon for Obama during the crazy Primary Months was something I wanted others' input on.

Secondly, on this other website, the Pluto and SP Sun activity for Hillary wasn't mentioned and, when I brought it up, was ignored. I also wanted input on that, if possible, as well.

As for Edwards, I thought I had mentioned that his SP Moon is moving off it's conjunction with his Natal Moon and will be conjunct his Natal Jupiter (just as Obama's is right now) indicating a potential lifting up of spirits or of having done well -- it doesn't feel like a "sad" aspect at all -- during early February through early March, but I might have forgotten.

The reason I didn't write about Edwards is simply because he doesn't have the Saturn and/or Pluto activity (other than a square to his Jupiter/Moon conjunction until, roughly, July) -- indicating either great responsibility or great change -- that both Hillary and Obama have right now and through the General Election.

Perhaps an astrologer will chime in with their thoughts at some point.

Again, thank you for the reply.

[mother earth]

18. Thank you, ccpup. I too would like astrologers to weigh in on

this, esp. re: Edwards. I cannot trust my own feelings/insight because I have been won over, and will work my butt off for Edwards in MA. I'm inspired by his 2nd place showing in IA & I want him in it to stay, as I feel he is the only candidate that gets it, all of it, and will work for us, not the corporations.

I am completely disgusted by MSM ignoring the only candidate that is the people's candidate, but I'm not surprised, given their allegiance to the corporation and their sponsors. Sorry if that disdain was unleashed upon you, ccpup.

[SheilaT]

19. Since I'm not an astrologer,

simply someone who finds astrology interesting, I really can't tell what to make of the OP. Could you be slightly more enlightening for those like me?

Also, would it not make a lot of sense to look down the road to what's going on astrologically both at the time of the convention, on election day, and on January 20, 2009? I would tend to think looking at that would be helpful.

Thanks.

[Sanity Claws]

20. I agree

I have no idea what SA and SP mean. I think I've figured out the other abbreviations.

[stellanoir]

21. SA = Solar Arc Progrssions SP = Secondary Progressions

I'll further delineate between the two when I've the time if no one else chimes in.

[Sanity Claws]

22. Thanks, Stella

Could you explain their significance? Also, I think Nancy Waterman sometimes uses Tertiary Progressions. Could you explain that too?

[stellanoir]

23. Okay I'm being lazy this morning

This is fairly accurate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

"Secondary progressions

Also called A-day-for-a-year progression , Major progression and Secondary direction. This progression involves moving the natal chart forward one day for each year of a person's life. So for example, a person born on April 2 1982 would have a progressed chart for 2007 drawn up based on the position of the planets on April 27 1982 (ie. 25 days for 25 years). The patterns formed 25 days after the person's birth are considered to be symbolic of the person's 25th year of life, and indicate potential tendencies and trends for the year. Secondary progressions are considered by the majority of astrologers to be the most important form of progression.

Solar arc progressions

Also called A-degree-for-a-year progression, and Solar arc direction. This form of progression involves the whole natal chart being moved forward one degree for each year. So, for 2007, a person born on April 2 1982 would have a progressed chart drawn up based on the position of the planets moved forward 25 degrees from their position on that birth date (it is important to note that this creates a chart of planetary positions that never existed in real life). The name 'solar arc progression' derives from the fact that the sun moves about one degree a day, so the rest of the planets in this method are in a sense 'made to follow' the sun. In other words, the planets are made to move the same distance as was travelled by the sun in secondary progression. Those astrologers who use solar arc progression usually regard it as an additional source of information, to be used in combination with secondary progression .

Other progression methods

A variety of other methods of progression have also been used. <7> They include the following:
Minor progression - one lunar month after birth equals one year of life
Tertiary progression - one day after birth equals one lunar month of life
Converse progression - one day before birth equals one year of life, (and so on backwards in time).
Ascendant arc progression - planets are moved the same distance as the secondary progressed ascendant
Symbolic arc progression - planets are moved an arbitrary number of degrees a year eg. 3 degrees for each year, 5 degrees and so on."

[ccpup]

25. I added a Post

that covered both of their SP (Solar Progressed), SA (Solar Arc) and Transit activity around Election Day and Inauguration as well as the Democratic Convention.

I hope you find it interesting. :-)

[ccpup]

24. I apologize for the astro-shorthand

In future Posts, I'll keep in mind that there are those who may have their newfound or continuing interest in astrology hindered by their unfamiliarity with certain terms, etc.

As for what's happening on Election Day and Inauguration Day, that's a fantastic question (per Sheila T.) and one I've already looked at. For this, I would pay attention to Pluto and Saturn (for some reason, the planet of deep change and the planet of heavy responsibility just seem to fit in my mind with the job of the Presidency) as well as Solar Progressed (SP) Jupiter and maybe Venus for popularity. As Transiting Venus -- or Tr. Venus -- moves quick, it can flavor an event or a time period, but I don't know that it would become more important than what Pluto and Saturn are doing.

Basically, Transits will help indicate the flavor of the event, but, with a job as huge as being President, I'd look toward SP, SA and the Transit of heavy Outer Planets.

So, with Obama we find Inauguration Day with Tr. Pluto in opposition to his Natal Venus and inconjunct Natal Mercury and within orb of being inconjunct his Natal Moon.

This Tr. Pluto has been in a Square with Obama’s SP Sun since March 2005 and made it’s last pass last month, November 2007. It moves within orb, though without hitting the SP Sun’s degree, so shouldn’t be ruled out.

His SA Venus = Asc begins in September 08, but doesn’t become exact until mid-March and SA Mars = Neptune in late September becomes exact in mid-May.

SA Venus is also approaching his MC in 2011.

Note: When looking at Solar Arc activity, one only looks at the "hard" aspects eg. conjunction, opposition and square, so one wouldn't write that Obama's SA Venus will be square his Ascendant. One would write that SA Venus = Asc because with SA the flavor of the aspect (whether it be square or opp or conjunct) doesn't affect the SA activity.

During mid-July until mid-August, his SP Moon is square his N. Neptune and then squares his SP Neptune until early September passing over his IC in April 08. On Election Day, Obama's SP Moon is a Full Moon with his Natal Sun. As it's not a Progressed Full Moon Phase -- which would be SP Moon with SP Sun, something he experiences in February 2012 --, I suspect it will be significant, but I'm not certain how.

He also is undergoing a Tr. Uranus opp Natal Mars around the Democratic Convention.

Plus you have the SP N.Node/Venus/Uranus activity which -- with the N.Node and Venus -- becomes exact in September 2008 with SP Venus at 27 having passed the 26 N. Node by Election day although still obviously conjunct.

...

With Hillary, Her SP Sun begins the Trine to her MC on 6 November.

Then Tr. Pluto begins the sextile to her Natal Sun the week of Inauguration (and continuing until October 2011), his Trine to her MC in February 2010 and then conjuncts her SP Sun in early March 2010.

On Election Day, she has Tr. Mars conjunct her Mercury and Asc and square her Saturn as well.

In addition to that, SA Jupiter will be conjunct SP Venus on November 4th, 2008 —- Election Day -- and will be conjunct to the degree until 2010 finally moving away by 2 degrees in 2015.

This SA Jupiter also begins = her Natal Sun four days after the Democratic Convention and sits at 2Aqu14 on Election Day, just minutes from being exact with her 02Scorpio18 Sun. Evidently, SP Venus will also -- being conjunct this SA Jupiter -- be square her Natal Sun.

Her SP Jupiter is moving towards a Trine with her Natal Pluto/Mars conjunction on Election Day, exact in early January 2009.

Hillary's SP Moon is approaching a SP Full Moon Phase in February 2010. During the Democratic Convention, it is in Opposition to her SP Jupiter. She also has Tr. Uranus trine her Natal Mercury/Asc, inconjunct her Natal Saturn and within orb of being conjunct her Natal Moon.

...

I apologize if some of this was repeating stuff I had written earlier, but they both obviously have a lot of Transits, SPs and SAs happening. I hope you guys found it interesting.

[Dover]

26. ccpup, have you ever looked into an astrology meetup group in your area?

Just a thought:

http://www.meetup.com/

[ccpup]

27. was unaware there was such a thing

but, in reality, I'm much, much too shy to walk into a group of people I don't know. As an actor, being on-stage or in front of camera is no big deal for me. But when I'm just myself? Agh! It ain't gonna happen.

Maybe someday ...

[Dover]

29. Which "reality" would that be?

Perhaps this passage of Pluto in Cap will help you to explore that shyness issue more deeply.
You know...the 'you are enough and wonderful' stuff that you get from your audience is also available to you through risking sharing your 'real' self more in community with like-minded spirits in other areas of life. Finding the courage to express the whole of yourself, facing your natural shyness and fears of rejection or fear that your contributions are not as good or interesting as the other guy's. If you can risk the discomfort and anxiety and have faith in yourself I think you will find your confidence growing in leaps and bounds. You also need to discover that you CAN survive that exposure and whatever disappointments or criticisms life throws at you. That inner empowerment that is not dependent on outer circumstances or others, is the ultimate reward for those willing to take the leap. It's an indestructible foundation from which to launch your talents and receive the recognition you seek.

We all will be learning about making more intimate connections, examining how we can form meaningful community while expressing our individuality, and nourish one another under this Pluto/Cap transit. And vehicles for discovering and making these connections such as meetup groups, will flourish. We will all be seeking a tribal connection at some level.

Capricorn is often overly concerned with the building of the vessel often at the expense of the quality of its contents. Pluto certainly won't have any of that! It's not a surface dweller and its
all or nothing. Live or get off the planet!
We need 'living social systems' that resist rigidity, dogma and stagnation. Natural systems. Systems that are organic, changeable and life-friendly hosts.
And that goes double for the 'realities' that we construct for ourselves.


Got to be off again. Courage dear Aries.