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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:33 PM
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What I've Learned About Alien Abductions and How it Ties to Spirituality
I finished reading John Mack’s book, which I was in the middle of when I left for vacation. It’s a heavy book (in more ways than one) so I didn’t want to take it on my trip. I’m going to start this thread and write a little here and there based on the book and from a few other sources I’ve read. Everybody’s invited to join in with other info on this phenomenon, opinions, news, experiences, whatever you have to say.



Just in case you’re not familiar with John Mack, he was the Harvard psychiatrist and Pulitzer Prize winner who took the stories patients told about alien abductions seriously. He is such a mensch. I am so sorry we lost him to an automobile accident. Just from reading the book, one can tell what an exceptional, caring, intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate human being he is. There aren’t many like him.


World View

First, what I learned from this book has changed my world view.

Old view: when we die our physical death, we continue to live as a spirit in another dimension until we decide to reincarnate again, either on earth or another planet.

New view: same thing but add it is vastly more complex than I ever dreamed of. Example: the Bardo effect (not learned of in this book, but heard about elsewhere and recognized as a phenomena in the Mack book). Also, in my old view, I was somewhat of the opinion that there would be some relief from the pain and difficulty that comes with spiritual growth. I no longer think that. I think it could be difficult throughout our entire unending existence, which is not to say that there aren’t moments of bliss and joy and that it can’t be that way much of the time.

Another thing I’ve learned from this book is the value of being in this physical existence. It appears that certain ideas cannot be carried out except in the physical domain.


Levels of Energy

Also, as everyone here know, there are levels of energy. We are at the lower end of the spectrum, where energy is very dense. Some of the alien beings are at a higher energy, which explains how they can move from one dimension to another, thus sometimes they can disappear before our very eyes, either in their physical form as a humanoid or in their spacecraft. (Note: many UFO observers have reported spaceships just disappearing in the blink of an eye.)

And that is the beauty of what Mack has accomplished in this book. He has managed to bridge the divide between the physical and the spiritual. With aliens, they are both. It’s a hard concept for we earthlings to understand since we have this division between the physical and the spiritual. We don’t think there’s anything in between—but there is, and that is what aliens are.


What Happens in an Abduction

In each chapter of the book, Mack tells of his work with an abductee. He has chosen the abductees in a particular order. In the beginning, the patients he writes about are traumatized by their experience. Moving on in the book, the abductees toward the end were more broadminded about their experience. Some even welcomed the encounters with the aliens.

Two things go on in an abduction: first there is a physical exam and sometimes they implant something like what we would call a chip. This enables them to keep track of each person. There might be taking of sperm or implantation if the abductee is a woman. There were even cases where humans had to have sex with aliens. If this sounds shocking, wait until you hear that the humans who underwent this experience thought that the being they were having sex with was someone with whom they’d been close to in another life. (yeah, yeah, I know! This stuff really gets crazy!) In other words, they had sex with an alien whose spirit was someone with whom they may have been a partner with in another life. Oh and the sex wasn’t great, either. They were incredibly repulsed by it.

The second part of the abduction is that the person is shown something like what we’d call a movie. In some cases it is shown on the windows that look out the spacecraft. They can become like a TV. What the people see is what the aliens are telling us the future holds unless we change our ways: mass starvation, floods, the destruction of the earth and nuclear holocaust. No one is clear if this is the future or if this is a possibility.


Why Do Aliens Care About Earth?

Many people wonder why aliens would care what’s happening on earth. There are a variety of answers to that but one of the most interesting that Mack hypothesizes is that whatever happens on earth has an effect elsewhere in the cosmos. Think of a beautiful tapestry. If someone pulls threads from it, it is no longer beautiful. The threads are gone and to repair it is incredibly difficult and complex. Maybe even impossible. In wrecking the earth like we have, we are affecting the entire cosmos. This has generated huge concern from all types of beings with advanced intelligence. That is also probably why there are so many sightings going on now.

It doesn’t sound like the aliens have much faith that we can reverse what we’ve done to the planet. It appears they have a hybridization program and a new human species to repopulate once Mother Earth shakes us off.

However, those who have seen the children of this hybridization project are not impressed. The children are reported as “listless.”


Earth is a Highly Valued Planet

Our planet is special and very unique with its beauty. Abductees have been shown the home planets of some of the aliens and they are ugly planets. We are rich in genetic diversity.

In another post, I will write about what it is like to cross over from one dimension to another. I will use sources from Mack’s book but also a source from another book I read earlier this spring.



Cher
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:36 PM
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1. reactions? comments?
Cher
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 12:02 AM
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2. Thank you for posting this, Cher.
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 12:03 AM by Hope2006
I mentioned in another thread that I have been reading a novel by Whitley Strieber (2012). It's been taking me a very long time to read it as my days are very long (3 hour round-trip commute daily), and, I tend to read very little when I get home, as I am typically very tired.

This novel is disturbing me in many ways. I do think that Strieber is attempting to do many things in this novel. For instance, I think he is telling us that aliens are not necessarily more advanced than we are (in respect to intelligence, primarily), and they do not necessarily have our best interests at heart. I think he is also trying to tell us that this planet is desirable to others for many reasons -- and, some of those reasons are not so good.

Your OP concerns a Psychiatrist who had never been abducted (assuming abductions are real). I admire him in that he took the initiative to believe his clients, and, he also took the time to sift through his sessions enough to write about them.

I will take some time over Labor Day weekend to investigate and read more about John Mack. I would surely like to think that at least some aliens that come our way are interested in helping us to save our planet for ourselves.

Again, Cher, thank you for posting this.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 12:26 AM
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3. In 1979 I read over-the-transom manuscripts for Macmillan Publ.
I was looking for the next "Gone with the Wind" even though I was told that How-To books were the only kind of new books they wanted to see. Still, there were thousands of books stacked in cubicles in a huge, empty room on the fourth floor. I would go into one cubicle and pick up a stack of say, 30 manuscripts take them back to my desk and start reading. I read biographies, adventures, romance, history, all genres were represented. The most eye popping thing about reading those unpublished books was that no matter where I went --from A to Z -- AT LEAST 20 percent of ALL those books were about alien abduction. They almost always started the same way, i.e., "I am the last person you would expect to write a book like this, but--" and they would tell about their abduction. Not everyone had the same experience, but the abductions themselves were similar and they were from people from all walks of life and all levels of education. I don't know of any publisher who still accepts unsolicited manuscripts now. The abductees also wrote about labs where they we debriefed after their experience. I'll see if our local library has John Mack's book. It would be interesting to see if any of the stories I read made it into his study. Interesting, NJCher. I hope you do keep us briefed on this topic. :hi:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 12:30 AM
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4. Bardo, law of transmutation of energy, and the ripple effect.
Bardos- transit places, or interim experiences. The law of Syntony states that after death, we move to whatever matches our state of being/vibration.

Higher energy will purify lower energy. If there are higher aliens around, I hope that they are helping assist the anchoring of the higher dimensions throughout the Earth. I think that we all should be spending as much time as possible on this. Really.

Because as per the law of transmutation of energy, the higher energy also attracts higher results, and sends out higher energy to the rest of the Universe. Everything benefits from every single higher action we engage in. Kabalah states that the Universe even withdraws at times, the light leaving, if enough darkness is present. The actions of an honest person will cause the Universe to re-engage to the light. It's all up to us, which is why I so ardently decry every single negative action and intent.

I've seen it stated elsewhere that Mother Earth is indeed an experiment in bio-diversity, to see how much can work together. And also that some species are choosing extinction because it's not working out. I absolutely adore this world and encourage everyone here to bring to her the maximum amount of light and love that is possible. I had been certain that last summer through fall, that a massively negative event would occur. I could feel it, it was palpable. Then it evaporated, just like that. Enough positive energy can undo all of the negativity and bring in a new era of joy.

Thanks for posting. I don't know about aliens aside from the fact that at least two major spiritual traditions openly mention life outside of this world (positive and negative), but look forward to any truly positive beings being of service as we desperately need the light.
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hermetic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 05:56 AM
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5. I'm very interested in this
I have a dear friend who recently confided to me about some "encounters" in their past. This person is not a flake by any stretch so I am quite sure that something is going on, I just can't quite grasp what it is. All the replies here have given me much to consider. Thanks, and I look forward to reading more. And I don't know of a better place to have this sort of discussion either. What a great Group!

:grouphug:
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mysticalchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:17 AM
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6. Did I miss the title?
I went on Amazon but it appears he has a couple books like this. Can you enlighten me, Cher? I'm definitely interested in this.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:35 PM
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7. What is the Bardo Effect?
google isn't helping.

When you say that aliens are both physical and spiritual, this makes sense with some of the other information I've heard/read. Let me ramble .. if/since we believe in the Oneness and All, nothing can exist outside that all encompassing expressive Energy Source. We would be made of the same components to some degree. Isn't that what makes them "spiritual"? I love when Michael Tsarion says that we don't have to TRY to be spiritual. We just ARE. Fact.

The hybridization concerns me. If our souls travel forever, are we to assume that at some other time/space mark our souls would occupy these listless earthlings? Tsarion (again) reports the 'alternate history' that our (Homo sapiens) were genetically altered to create the races we encompass today. Someone else coming along and messing with it is just par. What are the spiritual development implications for a listless species? Is that evolution? Is the entirety of eternity the struggle? How discouraging that is because the thing I want most is to someday REST. Isn't humanity as a whole Tired?

I've read that the aliens cannot abduct anyone against their own will. IOW, the abducted had some level of desire to make contact. Do you believe this? The theory goes that there is universal spiritual law that strictly prohibits interference with free will.

So many more questions. Do you feel satisfied that you've gotten to the bottom of the subject?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 02:00 PM
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8. Interesting Cher.
It seems all so complex and hard to understand at times and then at other times it seems crystal clear. I've always thought that we sort of move on to a different type of existence when we die, like we keep getting into higher and higher dimensions with each lifetime, but that's only my opinion.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 10:40 AM
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9. UFO Appears Out of Nowhere in Mumbai
Hi, everybody, I'll be back later to answer questions and post more but for right now, I wanted to post this very interesting video that just went up on Google only a few hours ago. It is one of the best UFO videos I've ever seen but it's particularly pertinent to what I was talking about here, which is that UFO's can come in from another dimension. In this video, you will see the UFO appear out of nowhere!

The video is causing quite a stir in that part of the world.

http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=140275

I had to watch it several times because it's so amazing.



Cher
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 03:20 PM
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10. I've read this book and many other good Alien/UFO material
it is important to read alot from different authors and/or 'experiencers' - there are many different perspectives on this ever fascinating and elusive topic-many. in the book 2012 by Whitley Strieber(fiction)he offers an incredible metaphoric/psychological, beautiful/terrible story within a story about an Alien takeover.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:35 PM
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11. OMG
I just sent a PM to Cher about 2012 before I read your post. I have read a lot of Strieber's books, but none have remotely affected me as much as this one (and, I am not quite done with it).

I have been feeling that it was important to read it.

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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 11:21 AM
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12. agree-i finished it in 4 days--it was electrifying all the way thru
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 11:32 AM
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13. It kind of jumped out at me
and I made a mental note. With your post, I'm even more interested in reading it myself.

Is it 2012, War for Souls?
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:10 PM
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14. yes, and buckle up - it is quite a journey!
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