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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:42 PM
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My son's past life memories of Jail? or does he just hate Kmart?
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 02:22 PM by scard
This happened when my son was 4. We were looking for a halloween costume and could find nothing he liked at our usual stores. Finally we went to a Kmart which was set off by itself surrounded by a huge parking lot. It was in a older building, maybe built in the mid sixties. The building was really ugly, institutional 50s/60s "modern" my son refused to go in and started crying hysterically that it was some sort of jail. I'm pretty sure he had never seen an actual jail so not sure how he made that association. I finally did get him to go in. I bought him an ice-cream and he calmed down.

He had a similar reaction when we were in Mexico about two years later, we were driving around Isla Mujeres and there was this odd uncharacteristically large hotel that had the same look and feel. I wanted to go in to use the pool, but he had the same kind of a visceral reaction and did not want to go in.

He also does not like cops, this started when he was around three. He and some other boys at preschool attacked another kid pretending to be "cops". The school was so shaken up, they had a real police officer visit the school and describe what they do and how they are community helpers.

My son is now eight and to this day, every once and a while he will ask me if I think cops are bullies and tattle tales. He clearly can't stand them. I don't want him to have an irrational fear of cops, so I explain how they are needed. I should say that he very kind hearted and hates violence. He is pretty together really and even calls me out on my own negative bullshit sometime.

I just wonder if he had some experience in another life that caused this. When this started, I shielded him from negative tv programs, I still avoid local news and we have never watched shows like "Cops". This is not an ongoing theme or anything, but the Walmart Black Friday story made me think of this. Thoughts?
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 04:07 PM
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1. Sounds like a past life to me.
When we were kids, my younger sister use to talk about when she was big. It started when she first began putting sentences together and lasted till she was about 7. The most disturbing story was that she died in a car accident when she was big. And she'd describe her other family, the beautiful day when she died, and say, you were there Mommy but you weren't my mom. She finally learned how to drive in her mid-30s because it was beyond being a necessity. She confessed that she was incredibly afraid of driving until I reminded her of the when I was big stories.

My step-son use to recount similar stories of when he was big and lived in Colorado, in the olden days, he'd say. He died when he was thrown off a horse and run over by a carriage. He hates horses.

I have two young nieces, 3 years apart and they adore each other. The younger one, when she first started talking, use to say how angry she still was at the older one, because they promised to come back together at the same time as sisters. But the older one said she had to go because her Mommy (my other sister) needed her right away. Her coming into this world changed my sister's life for the better, to many ways to list here but thank goodness! It's funny because the sister who learned how to drive late, was supposedly unable to have kids. We were shocked and delighted by the arrival of Kayla, now 8, who tells marvelous stories of not her life before but life in Heaven.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 05:16 PM
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2. wow, what a story
I'm going to pay extra attention to my grandson as he is learning to talk. And now we can videorecord!
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 06:01 PM
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6. Indeed, it's such a special time of in between for them.
I know this is off topic but I think the young ones let us know they're coming before they arrive. A few years ago, my brother and his wife had one child, a daughter. My brother wanted no more kids but his wife did. The whole family knew that he was overwhelmed by family life and the expenses, in particularly. Anyway, when my niece was four, my mother, sisters and I started sharing dreams of an adorable and outgoing baby boy. Since neither one of us was pregnant or thinking about it, each of us separately asked my brother, is Deb pregnant? Hell, no, he said! Anyway, a week later, my brother says his wife didn't know how to break it to him but he ended her sentence saying, you're pregnant and it's going to be a boy! And, indeed, it was a boy and just as handsome and extroverted as can be. I just wonder if my nephew was easing the way for his dad to be kind to his wife, because my brother was so intrigued by the dreams and wanted details again and again about his future son.
Back to topic. I saw a documentary a couple of months ago that some doctors have documented case after case of past life remembrances that are in volumes. I mean with pictures of examples, like a child remembers being shot to death in a previous life and has a scar from birth in the area. I will try to find it and post back. Sometimes life is so fascinating that I can barely contain the joy of sharing the stories of life after life after life. :)
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 05:37 PM
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5. That is pretty amazing. My son used to say things, hear voices but I didn't
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 05:38 PM by scard
pay close enough attention early on. I really wish I had.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:23 AM
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10. But you are now. To me that's the most important thing.
In my culture, I'm not sure if the people still do it, but when a child is born he/she is taken to a shaman who reads the kid's past lives. And then tell the parents why the child has come to them and wants to do in this lifetime. I think what parents are to take away from it is that the child will show signs of what direction he/she wants to pursue and to pay attention, and that is what you're clearly doing. It seems to me you and your son have truly beautiful karma to work out together in this life. And how cool is it that such a special soul chose you?
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 11:55 PM
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11. That really moved me and I think you are right about our relationship.
Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 11:56 PM by scard
When he asked me if the world was real, I told him that very smart philosopers have been asking that same question for a very long time and that he was special for asking it. Anyway, your message kind of choked me up. Thank you.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 12:33 AM
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12. What a great tradition
In our culture, some parents fail to recognize their child as a person with his own path. This shaman visit is a great reminder to parents that their child is truly a separate person.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 05:22 PM
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3. Don't discount past lives.
This is what it sounds like. It is very possible that your son will completely forget about viewing cops as bullies when he gets older (but I have to say, many cops are indeed bullies). He will eventually grow out of memories from his past life and start focusing on his new life.
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 05:36 PM
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4. Thanks for that. I was always reluctant to ask him too many questions
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 05:38 PM by scard
I do think that there could have been some kind of past life experience as there is nothing in our environment or experience that would make him dislike cops. I wonder if he wasn't a prisoner and the "cops" he hates so much remind him of prison guards. He used to kind of scare me when he was younger, he had imaginary friends (which is a no big deal) and sometimes heard people who weren't there. I was seriously afraid of a mental illness. The times he heard voices were few and hasn't happened in many years. The other night he asked me "what if this isn't real?" when I asked him to clarify, he made a sweeping motion with his arms and said "all of this". Freaked me out.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 06:07 PM
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7. Chills up and down! What a Special kid! One of the old ones
born without the veil.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 06:14 PM
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8. The fact that you are even sensative to this is amazing.
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 06:16 PM by liberalmuse
Most parents just brush this stuff off. Your child sounds like he is very enlightened rather than being mentally ill. I think all you can be is supportive at this point. This stuff is real, but the sad thing is, many parents brush it under the carpet, so to speak, and the child eventually forgets everything. Just be supportive, and let your child know that you believe he is telling the truth, because the odds are, he is. I've heard such stories from my little brother and nephew, but didn't know enough to know that they were telling the truth, until now. I'll tell you, we haven't seen anything yet. Interesting times are definitely ahead.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 06:41 PM
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9. Psychologist Carol Bowman has written two books on child past lives including stories like this
She tells of babies who cry hysterically when a plane flies over head and when they finally can talk want everyone to hide before the planes bomb them. Generally she advises telling children in a calm momement that the things they remember are from other lifetimes, it is ok to remember and that what happened then won't happen again. In the cases she discusses this usually is enough to reassure a young child that things are different and that they are safe. Bowman's website is here with a discussion forum if you want to read more about this:
http://www.childpastlives.com/

direct link to the forum: http://www.childpastlives.org/PLC/forum.htm
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 05:29 PM
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13. Dr. Ian Stevenson, 1918-2007, University of Virginia, Division of Perceptual Studies -
Children Who Claim to Remember Previous Lives

In many parts of the world, some young children, usually between the ages of 2 and 5, speak about a previous life they claim to have lived. At the same time they often show behavior, such as a phobia, that is unusual in their family and/or not explained by any current life events but that seems concordant with the child's statements about a previous life. In many cases of this type the child's statements have been shown to correspond accurately to facts in the life and death of a deceased person; in many of these cases the families concerned have had no contact before the case developed. Some of the children have birthmarks and birth defects that correspond to wounds or other marks on the deceased person whose life a child remembers. In numerous cases postmortem reports have confirmed these correspondences. Older children may retain these apparent memories, but generally they seem to fade around the age of 7 .

The Division staff have been investigating these cases since 1961 and have published numerous articles and books about them. There is also a list of books on reincarnation which includes one book about Dr. Stevenson's work by an editor at the Washington Post. The young subjects of these cases have been found most readily in certain parts of the world, such as South Asia. They are, however, also found in other areas of the world, and the Division has studied many cases in Europe and North America. We are interested in hearing about cases with any of the elements discussed here. See Contacting Us. If you are a parent seeking advice about your child who seems to remember a previous life then see Advice to Parents.

Types of Statements a Child Might Make in This Kind of Case

Statements made by a child who seems to be remembering a previous life can be quite varied. The following is not an exhaustive list by any means. It is designed to give an idea of the kinds of things a parent or caregiver might hear, and in our Western culture, tend to dismiss as fantasy. It is also true that a child might say one or more of these things and not be remembering a previous life. It is probably best not to pump a child for information, nor to try and prevent him or her from saying such things.

* "You're not my mommy/daddy."
* "I have another mommy/daddy."
* "When I was big, I ...(used to have blue eyes/had a car, etc.)."
* "That happened before I was in mommy's tummy."
* "I have a wife/husband/children."
* "I used to...(drive a truck/live in another town, etc.)"
* "I died ... (in a car accident/after I fell, etc.)"
* "Remember when I ...(lived in that other house/was your daddy, etc.)"



http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/

I read Dr. Stevenson's books in the 1970's. Very interesting material.

Thank you for the Bowman link. Always searching for more info. :hi:
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 07:39 PM
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14. Thanks for the link. There was an advice for parents section
I think he has probably forgotten by now, but I am convinced that he probably did have a past life where he might have been inprisoned. I will probably not bring this up to him while he is still so young, because based on his reactions it must have been very unpleasant. As I was reading the link, there was something about prenatal memories I'd nearly forgotten that he said that he remembered that being in my tummy and that he could hear me talking!
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 10:23 AM
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17. So glad the link had some good info for you, scard. I have recurrent dreams
that involve running and being shot in the back. Always the same and seems real, rather than dreamlike. I also have always had deep reactions, very unpleasant, when I've heard the sirens in the old German Nazi movies. It sounds so familiar and terrifying.

Good luck with your boy! Amazing creatures, children. :)
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 07:50 PM
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15. My son is the same way!
Hi Scard,

My son, who is 5, has a weird view of police. On the one hand he is fascinated by them, and loves to play "cops", running around the playground or playing with his toy police cars. He especially loves to have pretend car crashes and bring a police car on the scene to maintain order. He also loves to play police, but most of the time he likes to be the criminal who gets chased, cuffed, and jailed. He even chose to be a policeman for Halloween this year. Here's his pic:



On the other hand, he's terrified of actual police. When a policeman came to my mom's street picnic last summer and he let some of the neighborhood kids sit in his cruiser, my son was too afraid to get in, although the other kids were eager to. We were at an air show where there were a couple of police on horses, and he didn't want to get near them. I asked him if he was afraid of the horses, and he said no, he was afraid of the policemen.

He's often said he gets afraid that some policemen will rappel into his bedroom at night and arrest him. I mean :wtf: is that all about? I too believe he's had a bad former life where he ran afoul of the police, but he can't remember any of his past lives. FWIW, anyway.
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:20 AM
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16. Wow rappelling into his bedroom??? Afraid of the police, not the horse?
Yours is terrified by them and mine is pretty much disgusted by them. It is so weird, I've seen you post about your son and was always intrigued because though I think he's a bit younger the things you've mentioned about him remind me of my son..I think he is an indigo or crystal? Not sure what the difference is. Anyway, nice to hear from you S...
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:11 AM
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18. And yet my son loves to play policeman
almost like he's trying to understand and accept the concept of law enforcement and remove the fear. I don't know how successful he's being, but he's got time, I figure. :D

My son is a crystal; most indigos were born earlier (I'm an indigo scout), but there are still some indigos being born, so your son could be either. If you'd like to read a magazine article I wrote about crystals and indigos (kind of a primer), let me know and I'll PM you the link. :hi:
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:46 PM
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21. Yes please do!
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:34 PM
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22. Check your PM! n/t
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:26 PM
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19. I have a foggy memory
of a very old model car (1930's I think) on its side in a deep ditch and I was a small child of maybe 2 or 3 yrs old trapped inside. I was screaming in terror and there were no adults around that I could see. I still remember it as a recurring dream as a child and waking in terror. I always thought it was a past life remembrance and the fact that I'm 53 and can still remember it would indicate that it wasn't a real dream. I don't usually remember dreams after a day or 2. The only other dream I can remember was prophetic where I dreamed that my brother was dead and 2 weeks later he was killed in a car crash. There was nothing in it that would have helped me to save him so I never want to have another dream like that.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:51 PM
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20. If he gets upset again...
remind him that he is here now. He is safe. That was then but you're here now.
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