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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:22 PM
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Further reflections on my vision quest
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 02:02 PM by GliderGuider
Here is another article about my vision quest that has a different perspective from the first report I posted immediately after I got back. With the benefit of time to integrate the experience, it has a very different flavour.

Reflections on a Vision Quest

A little while ago I went on a solo three-day vision quest. A few days later I posted on the Internet a description of some of the events that happened on it. Since then I’ve had a chance to reflect on the lessons that have emerged from both the quest itself and my posting of the description. This article describes some of the things I’ve learned.

The vision quest was remarkable for the richness and power of the imagery, symbolism and sense of meaning that arose within me as it unfolded. I had primed myself to seek out and create that significance, both through my previous inner work and by how I approached the quest.

I planned the quest by reading about indigenous vision quest traditions, soliciting the advice of others and asking myself how I wanted the structure of my quest to manifest my most important values. As the planning progressed I realized I was creating in my mind a complex set of expectations about what it would be like, what I would experience and learn. When the quest began however, I made a conscious decision to keep the plans I had made but to discard all the expectations I had built up. I would simply let the event unfold, seeking out meanings from whatever presented itself to my inner and outer senses in the process.

This turned out to be a good approach for me. My planned framework (things like opening sacred space, calling on ancestors and spirit guides, honouring ancient shamanic traditions and giving a prominent place to mindfulness meditation) gave the quest a strong supportive context and setting. At the same time, laying down my expectations made room for my unconscious to interact with the environment so that the deepest possible meanings could arise.

Those three days sitting alone in the woods with no food or shelter were filled to overflowing with the most profound sense of communion with the life force of nature and the consciousness of the universe that I have ever experienced. The feelings that rose and fell within me as my experiences changed spanned the spectrum of human emotions from ecstasy, gratitude, tenderness and deep peace, to longing, deep sadness, outrage and even agony. The mindfulness I cultivated at the same time gave me access to my Observer’s non-judgmental awareness of this river of feeling. That awareness knitted all those different sensations into the single weave of experience in which no feeling was better or worse than any other. Each new emotion flowed naturally out of the wholeness of the feelings that had gone before, the events of the moment and my willingness to allow them to simply be.

My thoughts followed the same pattern. Egoistic thoughts mingled with thoughts of cosmic significance, thoughts of violence and opposition arose along with thoughts of compassion and connection. Personal memories, planning thoughts, the recognition of teachings, the labelling of objects in my environment, thoughts of analysis and synthesis, domination and surrender all rose and fell away under the Observer’s dispassionate gaze. Like my emotions, my thoughts were all guests in the guest house of my Self: arriving, staying for a while and then departing, with only the house itself and the Observer enduring.

When I returned from the quest, I felt an irresistible urge to share this profound experience, and I immediately set about extracting the most interesting and unusual pieces from many pages of journal notes. The narrative that resulted was a story that clearly told my readers that I’d had an Extraordinary Experience, and hinted that this was in no small measure due to the fact that I am an Extraordinary Person. Without a moment’s consideration of my motives or the deeper messages this article carried, I posted it on the Internet.

My perceptive partner Estelle read it, and asked me three deceptively simple questions: “Who do you write for?”, “Why do you write?”, and “What part of you wrote that?” In an instant the veil was torn aside and my carefully disguised motivations were exposed. I always write for an audience (never just for myself), one of my big motivations is a need for acknowledgment, and the article was written not from my heart but from my ego. To my dismay I realized that the article was a display of peacock feathers masquerading as a report on a meaningful spiritual experience.

To be a little kinder to myself, I will say up front that we are of course all human. We all have a need for recognition, acknowledgment and praise. We all have an ego at the core of our psyche, and one of its jobs is to ensure that we get our needs met. We are also socialized into believing that such needs are selfish and wrong. As a result, the ego becomes very adept at disguising its actions so as not to run afoul of our inner mental judges that enforce those social rules. The footnote below on The Supreme Court talks about this psychic mechanism in a little more detail.

When the ego’s camouflage is swept aside, there are two ways we can respond. The first way is to smile compassionately, accept our humanity and simply marvel at the workings of our inner machinery. From this flow many gifts of awareness, self-acceptance and inner peace. Such moments can become long strides down the road to an enlightened life.

The more common response, however, is quite different. The shock the ego feels at being unmasked allows the judges of our inner Supreme Court to sweep in and set up their merciless tribunal. Their mental chorus of criticism, mockery, expressions of absolute disapproval and disappointment can trigger deep feelings of worthlessness, incompetence, failure, unlovability and a thousand other psychic agonies.

This was exactly what happened to me. For over a day I writhed in the flames of self-loathing. Thanks to the inner work I’ve done over the last year I could at least see what was happening, but once those judges got their gavels out and sentenced me to an eternity in Hell it was very hard to get them to listen to an appeal. Thanks again to the help of my patient, insightful and compassionate partner I was able to sit with those unpleasant feelings, watch them with at least a bit of the Observer’s detachment and accept them for what they were. Finally as the wave of emotion subsided I was able to regain my perspective.

The contrast between the sense of communion I felt during my vision quest and the profound sense of alienation during the long day of my subsequent trigger could not be more stark. The contrast was an immediate invitation to my evaluating ego to step in and do its usual thing: the comfortable feelings of the vision quest were immediately labelled “good” and the discomfort of the trigger became “bad”.

As I sit longer with that contrast, however, I am drawn to the realization that the values I gave them are merely a mental illusion. While “comfortable” and “uncomfortable” are accurate descriptions of my body's response to each experience, the labels “good” and “bad” have nothing to do with the experiences themselves. Each experience was just that – an experience. As such, it was simply a part of my life as a human being. I am (we all are) just as capable of drawing lessons from uncomfortable experiences as comfortable ones. Indeed, I’m even more likely to draw lessons from the uncomfortable ones – after all, I want to understand them so I can minimize them in the future. As a result, far from being “bad”, uncomfortable experiences are at least as valuable as the comfortable ones, and have just as much right to be present in our lives. At a deeper level, there is simply no difference between them.

In the end, all of life’s experiences are like the thoughts and emotions I watched on my vision quest: guests in the guest house. They come, stay for a while and then depart, leaving the guest house of the enduring Self, and the timeless Observer. And as a result of watching them, flexing my awareness muscle as they flow past, I can learn from them all, no matter whether my ego might be tempted to label them as good experiences or bad ones.

Awareness brings learning, compassion brings love, and the two together bring liberation from my internal jail to experience the true freedom of the dance of life. Those three L-words define my essence: Learning, Love and Liberation.
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Footnote: The Inner Supreme Court

We all have a set of voices in our heads that we believe are us. They are like an inner Supreme Court, because they tend to judge everything we say, do, think or believe. Their tone tends to be overwhelmingly negative, because they came into being when we were very young to protect us from real or imagined physical, emotional or spiritual harm. They do that by warning us loudly whenever we do something that violates one of the rules they have created to keep us safe

Here are some examples of individual judges and their messages:

The Critic: ("You didn't do that right ... How can you be so hurtful? ... Why are you always so sloppy?")
The Pusher: ("God you're lazy! Work harder! ... You're late, you're late, you're late! ... Drive faster!")
The Pleaser: ("I don't care if you can't afford it - if you don't get it for her she won't love you ... I don't care if you don’t want to do that - if you don't do it he'll leave ... If you discipline your kids they won't love you!")
The Moral Judge: ("You're worthless ... You'll never amount to anything, no matter how hard you try ... You are a Bad Person.")
The Protector: ("Be careful! ... Don't let anyone see the real you ... It's dangerous to stand out ... If you take a risk like that you'll fail and look stupid.")

The Spiritual Judge appears in people who are on a spiritual path. This judge is is anything but spiritual. Instead he ruthlessly judges our spiritual shortcomings. The Spiritual Judge says things like "How can you just let your ego creep in and take over without even noticing? How long have you been doing this work? I thought you said you were enlightened! Boy, are you ever full of shit!"

We all know these judges. They speak in our voices, and feel like an intrinsic, essential part of us. Usually they were formed as a defense against wounds we suffered very early in life. Even though the dangers they are trying to protect us from are long in the past, faded paper tigers, the power they have to make us miserable so many years later is truly astonishing. Most people never escape from the inner prison that those voices build around their True Self. Very few ever experience the liberation and release that comes from recognizing them for what they are.

Fortunately by shining the light of inner inquiry on them with gentle persistence and compassion we can gradually disempower them. In this process of illumination and defusing, I have come to understand that I can forgive myself for all my real and (mostly) imagined missteps, transgressions and failures. In that forgiveness is the tenderness, kindness and compassion that nourishes me and gives me the strength to face the real trials of the world with equanimity.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:36 PM
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1. Really?
The narrative that resulted was a story that clearly told my readers that I’d had an Extraordinary Experience, and hinted that this was in no small measure due to the fact that I am an Extraordinary Person.

I am ace at picking up nuance, subtlety and hints. A gift from dysfunctional family history.
But if you're referring to the previous thread, I don't see it. I found it to be an enjoyable read.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x98747

I wonder why it seems to me that some women are so hard on you?

Observer? It could not have been the Observer who determined that ego is "bad" or to be avoided.
WHO told you THAT? I think it wears a body.

Want to be spiritual? Congratulations! YOU ARE! We are all spritiual beings. Period. Done deal.
We are spiritual beings wearing a body suit. The body has needs unrelated to spirituality.
Without something within to urge our bodies to survive, your spirit would be transported
right out of here. Ego-less. Happy now?
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 04:11 PM
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3. Thanks, I intended it to be just that - an enjoyable read.
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 04:57 PM by GliderGuider
What Estelle picked up she could detect because she knows me so well. We're on the path together, and have made a commitment to a conscious relationship. So she has gotten to see my stuff up close and personal many times. She's also less tolerant of ego-displays than most people, so she picks up on, and calls me on, stuff that would just slide by most people. I don't mind it, working the crap is where the growth happens. Nobody learns anything from getting a free pass.

Nobody said the ego is "bad", least of all my Observer. A healthy ego is essential for coping with life, as you point out. My ego is what allows me to distinguish self from not-self, gives things value labels and tries to get my needs met. That's not bad in and of itself, but giving free rein to a a part of myself that creates dualistic separations and value judgments as one of its main roles tends to impede my progress.

I know I'm already a spiritual being. In the words of Osho, "We are all Buddhas, pretending not to be Buddhas." I'm just looking for the liberation that comes from awareness. Awareness and spirituality aren't entirely synonymous.

On edit: The fact that I triggered so hard meant Estelle was probably right. The fact that my inner inquiry turned up the evidence confirmed it. Further, all she did was point out what was going on. How I reacted to that realization was my stuff. She wasn't hard on me, I was hard on myself. That's really the point - how we are hard on ourselves when we don't need to be.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:05 PM
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4. okay.
I didn't mean to meddle in your personal life. You may be a raging egomaniac elsewhere.
I just felt the need to point out that I totally did not see that in your previous post.
Sorry you put yourself through torture over it.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:53 PM
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Thanks
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 09:12 PM by GliderGuider
You're not meddling. I put myself out there, so everyone has a perfect right to respond.

I don't think I'm a "raging" egomaniac, though I was fairly egoistic until I awoke and got onto a path. For students of the Enneagram, I'm a http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/Typefour.asp">Type 4 with a 5 wing which means that self-image (and especially the idea of being unique or special) is very important to me. I express my identity by telling life stories that demonstrate my uniqueness. Life and relationships become a lot more harmonious if I let go of that quality a bit, so it's a major focus of my inner work. As a result I'm hypersensitive to story-and-image issues.

You didn't see a problem because the fact that I was telling a story didn't have the same significance to you that it did to me. To you it was just a story, while to me it was self-expression with all the baggage that implies.

That's probably more than wanted to know, but it does explain why I reacted so strongly to something you couldn't see. And this explanation is a perfect demonstration of how Enneatype 4's behave... :-)
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:16 PM
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9. So far,
I have never met anyone who didn't want to be special. And we ARE all unique.

The Recovery International program (cognitive) uses as one of its tools, "Averageness".

Averageness — most of the things we experience, including nervous symptoms are average — most people have experienced them. Only our tendency to work them up makes them seem exceptional to us.
http://www.recovery-inc.org/system/recovery-international-tools.asp

So, you could say your ego symptoms are rather Average. Sorry. x(

If you were a skeptic know it all before, yeah, your ego was afire. Completely forgivable, though.
You quit it.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 03:00 PM
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2. congratulations....you did very well indeed. :)
It is also a big step to learn to forgive yourself and to begin learning to be kinder to your self.
Our sub-conscious is like a very bright child but it does not know "kidding" or that the thoughts we have until we learn how to think properly are not really "commands" and so it takes every single thing we say in our "self talk" literally...and that is what it delivers.
As it is also the perfect servant, we get what we "program" for ourselves with our self-talk. So as you can see...the step to learning to be forgiving of ourselves when we fall down is a big one and a necessary one.
We must learn to be as kind to ourselves as we are to our most beloved on this planet. For it is indeed ourselves for we are One.
It is not "falling down" that is the "sin"....it is only a "sin" when we fail to get back up and try again. :) We all fall down every day..but we are learning to just observe and forgive and try again. Eventually we all will learn to stay in the higher levels of awareness and the ride will not be so "bumpy".
I don't ever mean to preach with my posts, I am only trying to share what has helped me on my journey.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:33 PM
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5. My "Supreme Court" must have been appointed by Republicans!
I completely identify with the judgmental voices. The "Spiritual Judge" idea has given me a name for a particularly brutal voice in my mind. I am working on my nasty self-talk right now, and what you wrote resonated completely with me.

I concur with Why Syzygy though, your previous post was a delightful read, and if it had been boring spiritual misery fare I wouldn't have read it. So not being the typical boring, 'don't give a damn about anything but my fine-ass detachment from all things worldly' it reached me! And I liked it very much.;)

You keep right on thinking you are exceptional, because that would just prove me right!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:42 PM
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6. LOL!
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 08:44 PM by Why Syzygy
:applause: Of course we are Exceptional!
The All wouldn't be something special if It manifested a bunch of non-exceptional beings! huh?


:rofl: @
So not being the typical boring, 'don't give a damn about anything but my fine-ass detachment from all things worldly' it reached me!


Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 08:43 PM by Why Syzygy

(exceptionally negligent with spell check!)
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:53 PM
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7. That's why enlightenment scares me
Or makes me want to puke, can't figure out which. I like to laugh too much to go and get enlightened. But I'll read about it!

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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:01 PM
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8. Thank you!
I'm glad the idea of the Inner Supreme Court struck a chord with you, and I'm (of course) happy you liked the original story. I really didn't want to make it yet another drone about Enlightenment. This work should be fun sometimes, or what's the frackin' point?
I think that anyone who gets involved in the Work is automatically exceptional. How many people do it, after all? :party:
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:18 PM
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10. Fun is good!
:toast:
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 06:54 PM
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11. I'm with WS on this (once again)
I didn't get a sense of outsized ego in your initial report. If anything, there is more a sense of it in *this* posting, in particular the worrying about your ego and then the discourse about the supreme court, etc. The last in particule comes across as less from the heart and more from the ego, at least to me.

The whole observer/judge/etc. seems a lot like the toltec belief system of domestication, as described by both Don Miguel Ruiz and Don Juan Matus. Is that where you got it from?
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 07:48 PM
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12. I've been doing a lot of introspection on this.
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 07:51 PM by GliderGuider
I'm coming to accept your and WS's assessment of things. I didn't have a sense of ego about my first post when I put it up, it was just playful and interesting. When my partner suggested the possibility to me things got complicated, and then my activated ego got enrolled in my subsequent analysis. I'm not sure why I took my partner's interpretation of the situation over my own, except that she has been right often enough in the past that I reflexively acquiesce to her perspective. Once I had accepted that, my ego got really enrolled. When I accepted my partner as my teacher I may have given up too much autonomy. Maybe it's time to reclaim some -- I do need to have faith in my own perceptions of my inner world.

The Supreme Court metaphor comes from a teacher in the Inner Journey development group I'm involved with. It shouldn't be mixed up with the Observer, which is just a personalization of the state of non-attached, non-dual awareness.

Thanks for speaking up, this has been a productive exercise for me.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 07:58 PM
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13. in Toltec domestication
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 08:00 PM by northernlights
We have a judge, a victim and if I remember correctly, an observer. We learn the judge and victim when we are children being domesticated. What you wrote reminded me of that...

Your description above of how your ego got "enrolled" fits exactly how it seemed to me. Your original post seemed totally, egoless, spontaneous and awestruck with a wonderful experience.

I'm glad you are finding this productive :D
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 08:13 PM
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14. That sounds like Eric Berne's model of ego-states in Transactional Analysis:
Those states are parent/child/adult, and seem analogous to the Toltec judge/victim/observer.

Parent/judge and child/victim states would be similar to Freud's superego and id. The way I use the word "Observer" is similar to the "adult" in TA or Freud's use of "ego", except that I see it as incorporating an aspect of time-free non-duality as well as being non-judgmental.

Productive, hell. This is fun. This is the core of the Work, as far as I'm concerned :-)
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 06:53 PM
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15. on the activated ego getting "enrolled" in the process
I've been struggling with this for the last 7-8 years. As long as I was working for someone else, the topic of my writing was the star. I didn't worry about writing "the great 'murkin' novel" and my ego was in excellent check. I did top notch marcom.

As soon as I sat down to write a novel,though, all of a sudden my ego found its way in. I'm going to be a *real* writer, not a marcom hack! I've got great ideas. They're based on wicked funny experiences. It'll be a movie. I'll be rich. I'll be famous. And suddenly I alternated between pretty decent writing and embarrassingly bad, ponderous pontification so boorish that it that bored even me. And looking back, even the decent writing turned out in hindsight to be pretty boring. :rofl:

When I went on my rafting trip down the Grand Canyon, I bought a little cannon rebel to take along and shot 24 or so rolls of film. I was totally in love with my subject and ended up with some *spectacular* pix due to light magic happening inside the camera.

And I thought -- oooh, I will focus on photography, and travel and shooting pix of my travel. And my ego got involved and the light magic in my camera immediately went dead. Every time I went out with the intention of getting great pix, I got roll after roll of total duds. No light magic. At all. Bleah. x(

So now I understand the secret of keeping the ego uninvolved, and that it involves being totally in love with the *subject*... so much so that you totally forget yourself.

So goes my theory. The real challenge, however, is in the execution. There I still get in my own way. Every bloody time. :P
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 08:11 PM
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16. Oh dear, can I ever relate to that.
Edited on Sat Aug-15-09 08:13 PM by GliderGuider
Especially the photography. I spent 15 years as a commercial photographer in the '70s, in a situation analogous to your marcom. Then I decided that the only way I'd shoot another wedding was with an M-16, and I set out to become A Photographer. I didn't take another good picture for 10 years. I finally realized that whenever I said, "Ohmygod lookatthat!" and snapped a shot, it was great, but when I said, "Hey, I know what I'm doing, I can take a great picture of almost anything, let me show you," it was garbage.

As you say, loving your subject is the key. However I find that when my subject is my own inner state things get a little complicated. That's why I need to develop an observer -- like a mirror, it doesn't editorialize but just lets me see my own eyeball.
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