Priceless!

[Zenlitened]

:D

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=5387&mesg_id=5407&page=

[Az]

1. This stunster seems to be a major atheiaphobe

He is a recent arrival and pretty much most of his posts are centered around attacking atheism and his twisted sense of materialism.

[lazarus]

2. not just attacking atheism

but attacking atheists, as well. Individually.

Of course, he often fails to respond when it's inconvenient for him. I know he's suddenly dropped a discussion with me to move on to another part of the thread before.

[Az]

3. It's kinda pointless arguing with him

I was watching the one thread in the religion group that was supposed to just be for believers (I was staying out, mostly, to respect their wishes). He dropped a group of quotes attacking atheists and materialists as usual. No one responded to it for a long time other than to point out some of it was copyrighted and he couldn't post it here.

I have taken to simply posting a picture of a strawman after his posts.



I don't think he is reaching many others than those that have a natural disposition to egg on skeptics. And they merely get a kick out of the idea of attacking skeptics.

[lazarus]

4. Yeah

I've been playing around some, but I may steal your picture. :D

[Az]

5. Its a nice one

Its not on my server or anything though. SO if we are gonna use it a lot we should probably stash it someplace accessible. Anyone got any free server space?

[lazarus]

6. Here ya go

oops, here it is as a jpeg:

[Az]

7. Yay

[trotsky]

18. Yes, I have put him on ignore due to personal attacks.

I caught him early on comparing atheists to women who have never had an orgasm. Never mind the sexism of the statement, the illogic of it is glaring. At any rate, after some more exchanges with him, he became increasingly hostile and angry, culminating in a really nasty post that got deleted.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. Man, I never do that.

Can't hit "Alert" on ignored posts, you know. :evilgrin:

I like to give them rope, like for instance asking, "Is that why you called XXX (another poster) a hypocrite?" If the answer is yes, BAM!

There are many other approachs, but basically I try to remain civil, but in a way that invites them to go over the edge. Has worked wonders.

[progressoid]

8. Back in the day we used to call that 'mental diarrhea'

[Az]

9. There was a time I liked dealing with his type

It just doesn't interest me any more. It is too emotional. Too destructive. And in the end it accomplishes little.

[progressoid]

10. Agreed - Me thinks he has a HUGE axe to grind

I always like a good discussion/arguement that can enlighten but this guy is bordering on rage.

[GOPFighter]

11. What a crock!

How dare he speak for me. How dare he accuse atheists of equating a tsunami to rape. I am an atheist because I'm convinced God doesn't exist. We come into this world not believing in God. That is the natural state. It is up to the theists to convince me God exists. So far all they've done is make me more certain I'm right and they're wrong.

[Az]

12. I have encountered a number of debaters like him

Though debate is not quite the word for it. They specialize in cognitive disonance propped up by numerous and ponderous strawmen arguments. The trick they run is to bombard with so many flawed arguments that the opponent goes nuts chasing after them all. Then when you corner one he throws a ton in the other direction.

Its a game to them. Like Ann Coulter. They aren't really interested in the argument. They are looking to create humiliation and aggrevation. They simply say things to get a rise.

[opiate69]

15. Which is why I've been trying to hammer him on the

"definitions" issue.. trying to keep him focused on one (significant) part of his argument, so he'll stop trying to "baffle us with bullshit".

[trotsky]

19. Interesting...

direct links to posts work, even if you have the poster on ignore. So unfortunately I had to read his latest drivel. Yoinks! It's an atheistic argument that because free will is bad, theism is false? WTF?
Free will raises huge problems for theism, especially certain kinds of theism (Christianity, for instance) but it does not in itself dispel theism.

The master of the strawman.

[Az]

20. The real irony

is he seems to have a very heavy background in exposure to the philosophies. Yet there is a complete lack of understanding other than what supports his own personal issues. Simultaneous knowledge and ignorance. It really is a pity.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. Not the only one

There seem to be a few here that take joy in playing the victim card EVERY time religion is discussed. Then, there are those like the one you mention, who attack without any thought. He is not really all that interesting, when it comes right down to it. I have seen it on the opposite side too. I may be a theist, but I really enjoy coming into this room because it is one of the few places you can discuss religion and there is a semblance of rationality.

When you encounter him again..follow the sage advice of the police..."Move along, nothing to see!" :)

[fshrink]

14. Philosophy 101 for Dummies.

A few lines of knowledge without an ounce of critical sense. Not even worth the time it takes to read it.

[Zenlitened]

16. Holy crap! Water-breathing humans now?

http://www.democraticunderground.com//discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x5387#5521

This is actually kind of sad to watch, in a way. To be so desperate to overmaster with logic, yet so incapable of constructing a logic argument. Surreal.

[lazarus]

17. what a moran

I'm glad I dropped discussing things with that cretin.

[lazarus]

21. Check this one out

Topic subject You are lying
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x1803#1907
1907, You are lying
Posted by lazarus on Mon Jan-10-05 02:00 PM

"I've made no claims, have none to defend, and nothing to prove."

And yet, in this same thread:

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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-07-05 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #1

2. Those grooved spheres

Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 08:02 PM by indigobusiness
when set on a flat surface and left alone, will slowly start to spin.

They have some in a museum in Johannesburg, that are in a glass case and just slowly turn continuously.

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I'm sure you won't be alerting on this, since you don't care what I believe, right?

[trotsky]

22. Ha ha, good catch!

I notice he has yet to respond.

[lazarus]

23. He's got a good track record of that

They all do. You catch 'em with something they're not prepared for, they either change the subject (if they can) or act like they didn't see the post.

[trotsky]

24. And they usually end up being disruptors. Go figure.

Here's some names from the recent past:

InvisibleBallots (he's the one who bought into the Russian nationalist theory that the first 1000 years of the Common Era didn't really happen)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=158508

And a PITA for many DUers:
sangh0
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=128627

[Beetwasher]

25. I've Seen That Poster Do The Same Thing Over And Over Again

Make some ridiculous claim of a supposed "fact", like the spinning spheres, or a man who survived without a brain, and then say "It's an established fact! Go look it up!" and then ultimately it would be nothing of the sort.

That particular poster and I had a protracted discussion once because he/she was convinced that art criticism was somehow objective and took issue w/ me because I claimed that all art (and opinions about it) was subjective. He/she even had the gall to put an art critics education in the same category as a physicians. :eyes: Loopy...

[trotsky]

26. Ha ha ha ha

Yeah, I remember that brain discussion. Oy. I confronted him with expert testimony to the contrary, and it mattered not one bit.

Art criticism is objective? Is that even a defensible position?

[Beetwasher]

27. You Would Think That It's Not Defensible

But he did try by claiming since art critics were educated in techniques, like surgeons (I swear he said this, or something very much like it), they were professionals and their opinions and criticisms about art were therefore objective. Loopy.

It was a discussion about what exactly IS art. I said it's all subjective. He said what IS art is NOT objective, that the critics know. I'll see if I can find the thread, it was in the lounge. It ended by him finally admitting that critics TRY to be objective. Obviously a much different thing.

[Az]

36. As usual he gets it wrong by twisting

Art critics can objectively examine style and technique. But these are just the tools to create art. Art communicates ideas and emotions. A picture of a banana is just a picture of a banana. It can be well painted and objectively critiqued. The painting Oiran by Van Gogh not only experiments in style but it conveys a sense of culture. You could objectively critique the style of the painting and miss the beauty of it entirely.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

28. Call me stupid but

I can't even follow his line of thought.

[trotsky]

29. You're not stupid.

There is no line to follow. At least there never was when I argued with him. Just one strawman after another. The scariest part is, he supposedly teaches philosophy.

[Az]

30. Teaches!?!?!

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :wtf:

All form and no understanding. He's like the inverse of the urban legend the theists push about the atheist philosophy professor and the unbreakable chalk.

[Beetwasher]

31. Remember Though

I could claim I'm the Queen of England and it would have just as much validity as his claim of teaching philosophy. I'd give his claim just as much credence as my claim to be the Queen...Maybe he thinks he teaches philosophy because he thinks he's trying to teach YOU philosophy. ;-)

[trotsky]

32. LMAO

Maybe he thinks he teaches philosophy because he thinks he's trying to teach YOU philosophy.

Now THAT fits in with his overall attitude. Hahahaha

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

34. awright, I'm *not* stupid!

In your face, Mr. Hoffmeier!! (high school geometry teacher)

:silly:

[Az]

35. Reminds me of my old middle school science teacher

I have ADHD. I have never been a good student but always found myself in the advanced classes. One science teacher was completely hooked on process. His methology was death to anyone with something like ADHD. He tried to fail me. Years later when I took the SAT I got one of the highest scores in the science section in the state. It was gratifying showing him that process is not the only way to learn.