Anyone impressed by Obama saying US not a Christian nation

[soleft]

I only saw this in tha Imagine video, so I don't know the whole context of why he was saying it. But just to hear those words comes out of the mouth of a politician was astounding to me. And then for him to include nonbelievers while listing different groups of Americans.

Also, I notice he doesn't, or at least doesn't always end his speeches with God bless you.

I'm liking this.

[TZ]

1. He also doesn't wear an American flag pin either

That's why despite the often Godspeak he does spout, I don't seriously think it would be a problem if he was elected. He seems to think, that religion, has its place..and its not politics.

[Deep13]

2. I would find it encouraging if ...

...he didn't end his DNC speech with "Our God is an awesome God!"

[ozone_man]

3. That was comforting to be included.

He earned a few points there, but lost some talking about Jesus at the South Carolina debate. Then Hillary felt she needed to jump in to add a word about her faith. He panders to the religious more than most Democrats. Talking about Jesus or how awesome the Christian God is does not make non-Christians feel included.

I judge candidates mostly on the issues, realizing that they all pander to the religious. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case one or two hundred years ago. We've become a religious backwater since then, but are gradually becoming more secular again over the past decade. The religious right is losing strength.

[enlightenment]

4. He panders.

If it's personal, then keep it personal - don't drag it out in any guise, for any group.

He made god comments and people criticised him, so now he makes sure he's more 'inclusive' - it's backpedaling to cover his ass.

I'll be impressed when a politician can get through an entire campaign without mentioning his or her personal beliefs beyond saying I've got them and they have nothing to do with my politics.

Sorry. Obama doesn't impress me at all. He's slick - but no substance. Won't be any better than Hillary as president, assuming he gets the nod.

[FiveGoodMen]

5. "[Obama] won't be any better than Hillary as president"

Kind of gives you a sinking feeling about the future, doesn't it?

[enlightenment]

6. Yep.

I laugh - bitterly - every time I hear either one of them use the word "change."

However, they are proof that there is no god - because any god with a modicum of sense would smite their smarmy arses.

[TZ]

7. You really think either one of them

Won't be a lot different than Bush?! Seriously. Thats just wrong. I could list all the ways they would bring change..including promoting acutual science, but obviously that would be a waste since your mind is pretty closed.

[cosmik debris]

8. Some people see similarities, some see differences

Half empty, half full.

And some people just see what they want to see. And nothing else.

[enlightenment]

9. Where on EARTH did you get that idea from?

Seriously. That's just wrong.

I made a snarky remark, not a fully articulated position statement. I am frankly appalled that you are so quick to attack me in such a condemning fashion.

I do not believe things that have not been proven to me. Neither candidate has proven anything to me - and I do not have any "faith" that what they say now will have any relation to what they do once in office. I'll vote for whichever one is on the ticket, just to help ensure that a Dem takes the prize - but I don't have to believe in them, trust them, or have faith in them.

I can hope they will bring change - and that only when I'm in a good humour. I have gathered, from reading your posts, that you are a scientist. That's great. However, you are not using your logical processes very well in this case. You don't know me, you don't know anything about me - yet you feel free to accuse me of having a closed mind.

I'm sure you're bloody brilliant turtlensue - but your remark was far from that. Do yourself a favour and refrain from accusing someone with whom you have had minimal contact of having a closed mind - that is both ridiculous and juvenile.

[and-justice-for-all]

10. Knowing that his mother is an Atheist....

helps. He does have some rather disturbing company that he keeps, like the Ex-Gay cult and some of the religious nuts that he has spoken for at engagements.

They all say Gawd bless you at the end of their speeches, which to me they should not do.

[onager]

11. How about Mitt Romney's attempt to include us?

:rofl:

I saw Romney's concession speech in Venice, Italy, which was weird enough in itself.

For those who missed it, Romney spewed a lot of culture-war crap he seemed to have stolen directly from Pat Buchanan's splenetic 1992 speech to the GOP Convention. (The speech that Molly Ivins noted "probably sounded better in the original German.")

But he remembered us non-believers! Oh, how NICE! Here's the money shot from his speech:

Americans love God, and those who don’t have faith, typically believe in something greater than themselves—a "Purpose Driven Life."

WTF? "Purpose-Driven Life" is the title of Rev. Rick Warren's thoroughly Xian BS book and overpriced "course." It's got nothing to do with disbelief in God. Just the opposite.

(How do I know it's overpriced? Because my aunt is the bookkeeper for a church that signed up for Rev. Rick's hokum, and she complained about it.)